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post #2041 of 2238
thanx for the warning! i just do not want to re-buy speakers because of it. Like i said thank god i bought polk because they are overnighting my all i need to get back where is was. Onkyo customer service needs to take notes from polk audio because the lady i talked to at onkyo said somewhere in the manual it states that if this product damages or sets fire to anything they will not be liable. I will be looking in the manual because that sounds like a crock of S%^T. I ended the coversation with onkyo with nothing except im really sorry. This will be my last onkyo product EVER. I loved onkyo you get alot for the money, but for me customer service is the most important thing. Products are great until something happens to it then you get what you paid for. All in all my speakers will get fixed and the onkyo will be updated, but onkyo will always leave a bad taste in my mouth forever. SORRY FOR DISSING SONY.EVen though when i called them i got the same customer service i received from onkyo. I wish companies would care about thier customers. Thanx again for your responses and sorry for the rant.
post #2042 of 2238
^^

No problem, thewoogie. I have Polk Speakers, too! Glad to see how they are treating you. Don't worry about these "little pops" after you update...they are just annoying and really shouldn't damage your new speakers. BTW, I like your Pink Floyd lyric...

Larry
post #2043 of 2238
It's a damn shame, but you're pretty much right on all points thewoogie. Thank goodness Polk is taking care of you.
post #2044 of 2238
Is this a problem with all Onkyo receivers? I have one of their 503 models from a couple years ago that doesn't have HDMI. I'll be using optical out for my audio. Will I run into any problems?
post #2045 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

Is this a problem with all Onkyo receivers? I have one of their 503 models from a couple years ago that doesn't have HDMI. I'll be using optical out for my audio. Will I run into any problems?

No problems for you. The problem id with the new receivers. Specifically when the receiver is decoding DTS-HD/MA soundtracks from a capable Blu-ray or HD-DVD player.
post #2046 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

No problems for you. The problem id with the new receivers. Specifically when the receiver is decoding DTS-HD/MA soundtracks from a capable Blu-ray or HD-DVD player.

Thats good for me but I feel bad for the people having problems. Are the new Onkyo receivers shipping with this problem fixed and if not how does a person go about performing this update?
post #2047 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

Thats good for me but I feel bad for the people having problems. Are the new Onkyo receivers shipping with this problem fixed and if not how does a person go about performing this update?

The units that have been shipped in the last couple of months should already have the latest fw and dsps updated. However, there is always the chance of some older stock sitting on shelves for quite a while, and some of the older units that are not up to date could still fall in the hands of consumers.

The DSP update is pretty simple to perform. You just burn a cd and then play it on a capable dvd/cd player into the unit in question and that's it, all is well after the update.
post #2048 of 2238
what if I am doing DTS MA as LPCM via HDMI from a PS3? (have onkyo 606) will there be a problem then?
post #2049 of 2238
This update is pissing me off. I cant get6 the damn thing to work.

I follow the instructions. I tried my PS3 and HD20 HD-DVD player.

It absolutely does NOT say anything other than SPDIF update. That part wont go away on the receiver.

Now, when I look at the DSP menu it just shows a bunch of ???????????????
post #2050 of 2238
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Originally Posted by darkleafar View Post

what if I am doing DTS MA as LPCM via HDMI from a PS3? (have onkyo 606) will there be a problem then?

No, you'd be fine with that setup. The "bomb' only occurs when bitstreaming DTS-HD/MA to an external decoder (like in the 606). Since you ar not bitstreaming, you should not experience the "bomb".
post #2051 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

This update is pissing me off. I cant get6 the damn thing to work.

I follow the instructions. I tried my PS3 and HD20 HD-DVD player.

It absolutely does NOT say anything other than SPDIF update. That part wont go away on the receiver.

Now, when I look at the DSP menu it just shows a bunch of ???????????????

A lot of people report having problems getting the update to take. It depends on the player and how it's set up. (and with all the different problems, I think maybe the burning software too)
You just have to keep trying. A lot of people have stated that an "older" type dedicated cd player has worked for them. I used my Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-ray player and Nero software and got it done on the first shot. Guess I got lucky... .
post #2052 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

A lot of people report having problems getting the update to take. It depends on the player and how it's set up. (and with all the different problems, I think maybe the burning software too)
You just have to keep trying. A lot of people have stated that an "older" type dedicated cd player has worked for them. I used my Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-ray player and Nero software and got it done on the first shot. Guess I got lucky... .

Good god. I have 4 different players around the house and none work.

Where the heck am I going to find a cd player with an optical?
post #2053 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

Good god. I have 4 different players around the house and none work.

Where the heck am I going to find a cd player with an optical?

Make sure you burn the CD as an audio CD, with no special effects or treatments. Test the CD on a player. You should actually hear it play.
post #2054 of 2238
You could try changing some of the settings within the players' menus. Anything is worth a shot. Try power cycling the receiver and or the players too. Some have said they kept trying with the same player, and on like the 5th or 6th try, it finally worked. Not trying to waste your time or send you on a wild goose chase though , so it's up to you. Good luck...
post #2055 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

No, you'd be fine with that setup. The "bomb' only occurs when bitstreaming DTS-HD/MA to an external decoder (like in the 606). Since you ar not bitstreaming, you should not experience the "bomb".

Ok, thats great then. thanks ^_^. Still though, it makes me kinda pissed off. I just purchased the S6100 (comes with the 606 relabeled as 667) and I was feeling secure that one day, if ihappen to own a different bluray player, I will be all future proofed with this receiver. Now it turns out I will never be able to use DTS MA unless I LPCM it? that makes me feel insecure since I bought ONKYO cuz they are supposed to be one of the best. Is this fixable? Is it possible to have some sort of firmware update or is this merely a hardware problem? (dont flame if i asked something very stupid, i am a first time owner of AVR)
post #2056 of 2238
IF your receiver is not already up to date when purchased, then the fw is upgradable via cd method to fix it. I'm not sure if any of the "xx6" models are even suceptable to it... maybe just the "xx5" series.
post #2057 of 2238
Has anyone here had any problems with the DTS-Hd Master and the Yamaha RX-V750
post #2058 of 2238
My onkyo is now updated (which took 43 minutes) and all is good. Thanx to all of you once again, and if anyone has any of these receiver UPDATE IT!!!!! Otherwise you can have blown speakers like me. ANother thing i have learned from this is make sure when you buy a product from a company call them first to see if there customer service is worth the price you paid. Polk audio and chad from EPik subwoofers have the best customer service i have EVER seen. I can vouch for these companies.
post #2059 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

Good god. I have 4 different players around the house and none work.

Where the heck am I going to find a cd player with an optical?

I had two players that didn't work and finally ended up buying one from Goodwill for 20.00.(The shelves are packed with obsolete cd players these days.) Even then I had to return it for ANOTHER cd player with optical that finally worked. I then returned it but am stuck with 20.00 of Goodwill credit. Oh well, I'll go on a cd buying trip someday, I guess.
post #2060 of 2238
I don't have an HDMI receiver as I said maybe a page or so back but I was just testing my BDP-S350 out with my Onkyo 503 receiver and while watching Underworld my receiver shut down and the standby light was blinking. I turned it off and then back on and everything seems to be fine. What could have caused this?
post #2061 of 2238
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I don't have an HDMI receiver as I said maybe a page or so back but I was just testing my BDP-S350 out with my Onkyo 503 receiver and while watching Underworld my receiver shut down and the standby light was blinking. I turned it off and then back on and everything seems to be fine. What could have caused this?

your receiver is trying to protect itself from burning up. check these things:

1. make sure all speaker wire in reciever/speaker do not have exposed wire (this is the most common reason recievers will go into safemode)
2.try a different device and see if it does the same thing (if not then there is something wrong with the player)
3. make sure there is no cuts on the power wire (like me i have a cat that like wires IDIOT CAT).
the fact that the receiver works again when you turn it back on tells me the receiver thinks something is wrong so i turns off.
good luck and let me know if any of these helps
cheers jason barnett
post #2062 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I don't have an HDMI receiver as I said maybe a page or so back but I was just testing my BDP-S350 out with my Onkyo 503 receiver and while watching Underworld my receiver shut down and the standby light was blinking. I turned it off and then back on and everything seems to be fine. What could have caused this?

Maybe a speaker wire is... not connected properly / touching back of receiver / negetive touching positive. Maybe a power surge in the electrical system. Maybe the 503 is not efficient enough to handle the audio. Maybe the speakers aren't efficient enough for the setup. Volume turned up high?... maybe too high. Could be MANY different things that did it.
post #2063 of 2238
Problem fixed. Thanks god.
post #2064 of 2238
well I have never had a problem of this sort so I'll monitor it. I checked all the wire and they are fine. I think I had the volume up too high when I switched over to Dolby Digital EX and that put it in to standby mode.
post #2065 of 2238
I encountered a popping sound after I came out of the setup menu for "Master and Commander". I went into the menu to select the DTS-MA audio and as soon as I did that (or immediately afterwards) I got very noticeable popping sounds. It was not the "bomb" sound descibed elsewhere here that happens during the movie. Rather, it was a lot of quick popping, like walking on a piece of very loud bubble wrap. It was not dangerously loud (no where near as load as the cannon fire in the movie itself), but loud enough to be disturbing never-the-less. It only lasted maybe 2 or 3 seconds.

I re-loaded the disc from scratch (open drawer) and just pressed "play" without going into the setup menu audio options, and it did not occur. I also noticed that the vaious stuff (FBI page, studio logos) before the movie starts is DD, then, when the movie starts, it switches into DTS-MA. Perhaps manually selecting MA on the audio setup menu at some slice of time before or right around when it gets engaged on its own caused a glitch in the bitstream(?) I don't know. I'm not entirely sure I want to experiment and try to duplicate it.

I go into audio setup mostly out of habit. DTS is an option on those DVDs that carry it, with DD being the default, so I'm in the habit of going to the menu to select DTS for DVD. It's not necessary with BD since discs with MA will use that as a default (at least the Fox titles). So, I probably don't need to go in there and will likely never encounter this again (I hope).

I'm bitstreaming from a Denon 3800 to a Denon 3808. My firmware is one release short of the very latest for each of these components. I've watched many MA titles with no issue, and selected the MA track manually many times before. I don't think there is anything wrong with this title in particular. It plays great all the way through (a reference MA demo disc for sure).
post #2066 of 2238
Does this problem affect the 606? I have the UK model. I am buying my first blu-ray standalone player this week.

The latest firmware is 1.03 asfaik and I have 1.00. I have e-mailed Onkyo and got no reply.
post #2067 of 2238
I have not heard anything about the problem being with the 6 series, only the 5 series.
post #2068 of 2238
Is this a problem for the Marantz 8003?

Thomas
post #2069 of 2238
Hi guys I just finished watching the sand pebbles the disc played out flawlessly without any auduo dropout but noticed something in one of the scene were steve is hacking the the rope suddenly I heard a big boom from my subwoofer I replayed it several times and it is really there is this part of the movie?

********WHERE CAN I FIND THE LINK TO BURN THE FIRMWARE UPDATE FOR DSP****** HELP PLEASE**********and steps how to do it....after burning....I have old dvd players that I can use base on what I read hear I have to connect via optical from my dvd player to my onkyo 705 is that right?

Thanks.
post #2070 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Pajax View Post

Is this a problem for the Marantz 8003?

Thomas

Yes, I believe the latest Marantz line has the same issue.
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