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post #2131 of 2238
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Originally Posted by tlbauerle View Post

Hey all...

Just for the record, I wanted to let people know this issue occurs with the Onkyo HT-R410 using a Sony BDP-350S & Optical connection.

I'm calling Onkyo regarding this, but I'm sure the issue is the age of the receiver and no fixes exist. I'll have to settle for Dolby until I upgrade.

The pop between title transitions isn't too loud, but of course I've been watching late at night so I haven't blasted the sound.

I don't think that is possible. This thread is specifically talking about a loud pop that occurs due to a decoding bug when bitstreaming DTS-MA to an affected receiver. It happens at very specific times in certain movies. It sounds like you are describing something that occurs at every title transition, maybe more often.

The only scenario I could possibly see this happening is if the 350S was decoding DTS-MA and its decoder was flawed and sent the flawed, decoded audio (now including the pop) over optical to your Onkyo. But I think we would have heard of other people having this problem.
post #2132 of 2238
I received the "DTS" firmware update by mail last week, which included a 2 page set of instructions, optical audio cable and update cd.

The service tech was very helpful by phone in answering questions. I have Onkyo's SR805 and have noticed the blasted pops with certain DTS HD Master sound tracks when exiting from pause or starting up from resume on a few occasions.

Well... I did the upgrade yesterday and remembered to write down all my settings prior to updating. The process was quite quick and confirmation of all three firmware versions showed I was on board afterwards.

The question I have is this. I redid all my settings to my previous configuration when finished but I wonder about something. Initially, I went through the Audyssey automated sound calibration process when I first set up the receiver last year. Though you can replicate almost all settings manually I cannot retrieve the Equalizer settings the Audyssey locked in. When I go into that menu I only have "Manual" (which at present shows 0dB for all parameters in its sub menu) and "Audyssey" as choices.

As practically all settings are lost during such an update, is there any way to view those equalizer settings through some command sequence? If not is there some "middle of the road" group of settings I can plug in manually that would suffice for the time being or should I leave it at factory default? By the way what would that default be I wonder?

I don't relish having to go through that process again as it is rather time consuming. I hope the fix worked as I will be checking it out tonight or tomorrow, possibly with one of the new James Bond BD releases.

Any advice here is appreciated.
post #2133 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Chazcdc54 View Post

I received the "DTS" firmware update by mail last week, which included a 2 page set of instructions, optical audio cable and update cd.

The service tech was very helpful by phone in answering questions. I have Onkyo's SR805 and have noticed the blasted pops with certain DTS HD Master sound tracks when exiting from pause or starting up from resume on a few occasions.

Well... I did the upgrade yesterday and remembered to write down all my settings prior to updating. The process was quite quick and confirmation of all three firmware versions showed I was on board afterwards.

The question I have is this. I redid all my settings to my previous configuration when finished but I wonder about something. Initially, I went through the Audyssey automated sound calibration process when I first set up the receiver last year. Though you can replicate almost all settings manually I cannot retrieve the Equalizer settings the Audyssey locked in. When I go into that menu I only have "Manual" (which at present shows 0dB for all parameters in its sub menu) and "Audyssey" as choices.

As practically all settings are lost during such an update, is there any way to view those equalizer settings through some command sequence? If not is there some "middle of the road" group of settings I can plug in manually that would suffice for the time being or should I leave it at factory default? By the way what would that default be I wonder?

I don't relish having to go through that process again as it is rather time consuming. I hope the fix worked as I will be checking it out tonight or tomorrow, possibly with one of the new James Bond BD releases.

Any advice here is appreciated.

Your Audyssey settings have completely gone.

You have to re-run Audyssey.
post #2134 of 2238
I was hoping to avoid that. From what I've heard elsewhere those automated settings that Audyssey put in when I first ran it last year are not viewable. That's a real shame as every other parameter appears to be viewable and updateable from what I can see. Onkyo dropped the ball on this one in my estimation.

Incidentally, as I have put back in the Speaker Settings, Configuration, Distance & Volume Level Calibration, what am I losing with factory default equalizer settings? What will it sound like with all the other settings where they were but the Eq. values missing? I haven't had a chance to listen to any stuff this week as I have been very busy elsewhere but wanted to get a heads up in this area.
post #2135 of 2238
well this happened to me today on my Denon AVP-A1HDCI but it turned out to be just a dirty disc.... (the movie in question was "run, fatboy run")
post #2136 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Chazcdc54 View Post

I was hoping to avoid that. From what I've heard elsewhere those automated settings that Audyssey put in when I first ran it last year are not viewable. That's a real shame as every other parameter appears to be viewable and updateable from what I can see. Onkyo dropped the ball on this one in my estimation.

Incidentally, as I have put back in the Speaker Settings, Configuration, Distance & Volume Level Calibration, what am I losing with factory default equalizer settings? What will it sound like with all the other settings where they were but the Eq. values missing? I haven't had a chance to listen to any stuff this week as I have been very busy elsewhere but wanted to get a heads up in this area.

If Audyssey is run properly, your setup should always sound better. The manual EQ available in the Onkyo is very basic compared to Audyssey. I believe Onkyo didn't include graphic results of Audyssey's settings due to lack of room on the DSP chips. Instead Onkyo opted to include the best version of Audyssey available for integration with an AVR.

Go over to the Audyssey thread and find the instructions for running Audyssey. This manual has been compiled by guys on the thread, and is endorsed by Chris from Audyssey. You can find links to the instructions on many posters signatures (pepar, geomania).
post #2137 of 2238
Oh, Nordo I've run it before when I first purchased and setup the receiver. The few remaining questions I had back then were answered in the forums here. Great place as you know for information and advice. I just wanted to avoid going through the process again if possible. From what you say there are lots of audio adjustments going on behind the scenes so it would be a good move re-doing it.

I can only hope malfunctioning Onkyo gear doesn't necessitate another update like this ever again. I will be royally pissed because of the extra work needed afterwards.
post #2138 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Chazcdc54 View Post

Oh, Nordo I've run it before when I first purchased and setup the receiver. The few remaining questions I had back then were answered in the forums here. Great place as you know for information and advice. I just wanted to avoid going through the process again if possible. From what you say there are lots of audio adjustments going on behind the scenes so it would be a good move re-doing it.

I can only hope malfunctioning Onkyo gear doesn't necessitate another update like this ever again. I will be royally pissed because of the extra work needed afterwards.

I agree. This updating process is the most difficult I've ever come across.

But the bottom line is you will have to run Audyssey again.
Check this post for a comprehensive run down on getting the best out of Audyssey.
post #2139 of 2238
This is going to sound strange but since I updated my Panny BD-30 with the latest firmware, I don't get a pop from any new DTS-MA with my 605. Granted, I have not checked the BDs I got a pop from earlier but all new Universal, Disney, or new DTS-MA in general are pop-free. Kind of weird. I still need to upgrade.
post #2140 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Rach View Post

This is going to sound strange but since I updated my Panny BD-30 with the latest firmware, I don't get a pop from any new DTS-MA with my 605. Granted, I have not checked the BDs I got a pop from earlier but all new Universal, Disney, or new DTS-MA in general are pop-free. Kind of weird. I still need to upgrade.

I still use FW 1.6 on my BD-30 with same results as you.
That's because only selected titles have issues, and it seems that all date between the beginning of this year till about 2-3 months ago. This is telling me that the DSP makers alone are not at fault but DTS also bears some responsibility. Remember DTS itself license the technology to hardware makers.
post #2141 of 2238
Hi

I have an Onkyo 605 and have had no issues while using a htpc but am about to move to either a pany BD30/35 or Sony s350.
Does this bomb occur only if bitstreaming from player to avr or can it also occur if the player is doing the decoding ?


Bc.
post #2142 of 2238
Okay! I had the Onkyo 805 updated the DSP and all was fine. The new Onkyo 876 came into my setup and all was well until I started getting moderately loud pop noise from my rt. front speaker during BD30 playback. This is random with everything from Dolby T HD to DTS HD Master. Tried different discs and always get at least one or more pops, some are almost as loud as the infamous DTS bomb, some are more like from some titles everyone have problems with such as Dark City. It even occurs when while movie is paused, and when disc removed from player. Swapped out the HDMI cable, still get the pop. The only work around for this is having player output PCM, then no more random pops!
I tried my Sony 350 bitstream to the 876 and have had no pop noise so far with it. Now, what should I think? Is it the 876 problem, or the BD30? Anyone?
post #2143 of 2238
I just got my first pops with my Onkyo 875 now that I finally got my first bluray player, the pioneer 51FD.

I noticed a pop during a Dark City playback and now I'm currently watching Harald & kamar 2 and it is full of pops. I'm 90% through and have heard at least 3. I also get low popping while playing back after pause or scan.

The volume is fairly low and I'm not too worried about damage now that I'm aware that it can happen. I've emailed Onkyo and am waiting for a reply. I noticed other Onkyo series with firmware upgrade, is there one available for the 875? More importantly will it fix this?


Added: I also have gotten some digital sounding pops, would that require a DSP update? Whats the difference between the firmware update and DSP update?

Added(again): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1016297 This Thread seems to have what I need but it is so complicated I'm lost, any direction would be appreciated.
post #2144 of 2238
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Originally Posted by xmodrelic View Post

I just got my first pops with my Onkyo 875 now that I finally got my first bluray player, the pioneer 51FD.

I noticed a pop during a Dark City playback and now I'm currently watching Harald & kamar 2 and it is full of pops. I'm 90% through and have heard at least 3. I also get low popping while playing back after pause or scan.

The volume is fairly low and I'm not too worried about damage now that I'm aware that it can happen. I've emailed Onkyo and am waiting for a reply. I noticed other Onkyo series with firmware upgrade, is there one available for the 875? More importantly will it fix this?


Added: I also have gotten some digital sounding pops, would that require a DSP update? Whats the difference between the firmware update and DSP update?

Added(again): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1016297 This Thread seems to have what I need but it is so complicated I'm lost, any direction would be appreciated.

I just updated my DSP firmware for the 605, the hardest part was finding a cd player with optical out that was not a dvd player and new enough to read cd-r's. Just download the dsp for your model in that link and burn the wav file to an cd-r in audio mode. press the buttons explained in the zip file and hit play on the cd player.. good to go.
post #2145 of 2238
I updated my 605's DSP successfully, but this DTS bomb/fireworks sound still happened yesterday when I was watching Wall-E. It happened when I used the pop-up menu to jump from scene to scene. I tried Kingdom of Heaven (another DTS master blu-ray), and the same thing also happened when I use the pop up menu to jump to another scene.

This is very frustrating, and the funny thing is, this did not happen prior to me updating the DSP.
post #2146 of 2238
Make sure the update number is correct. i updated my 805 and the last step was to make sure the number was correct. maybe the update did not take. I will look for the instructions for the update and give them to you if you would like.
post #2147 of 2238
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Originally Posted by voyager6 View Post

Your receiver is not affected. DTS HD-MA bomb is when a receiver that can receive the bitstream digitally via HDMI hits a code combination that causes the bomb.

Your receiver is not processing DTS HD-MA via the analog inputs. It is just processing analog from your player. The two or three players that are out that can convert DTS HD-MA to multi channel analog have not been reported to have the bug, and if they did, the firmware update would be required for the player, not the receiver.

DTS HD-MA cannot be transmitted over optical or digital coax. There is insufficient bandwidth on those interfaces. If you select a DTS HD MA track on Blu-Ray and connect via optical or coax, you are getting only the DTS core, not the full lossless HD MA.

You have nothing to worry about.

Voyager6 - Thanks for your detailed response.
post #2148 of 2238
Looking to purchase the S6100 HTiB from Onkyo. I noticed earlier in this thread that someon purchased the S7100 and people said the DSP update didn't need to happen. Is this also true with the S6100?

Also, since I'm a newbie, can someone point out to me approximately how far into the thread I need to read to get instructions on where to download the Onkyo fix (if I need it) and where I can find the instructions on how to install it? This would be my first "good" receiver and speaker package, and I don't want to mess it up by playing one of these discs until the DSP update is made, and I don't want to screw up the updating, so I figure before I play anything (or even run Audyssey) I would run the Onyko fix first.

Also, I'm correct that I can run this update through a DVD player or my BD player correct? I don't have a stand alone CD player that has an optical out.

Sorry for all the questions, and thanks for the help!
post #2149 of 2238
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Originally Posted by HDNewbie1028 View Post

Looking to purchase the S6100 HTiB from Onkyo. I noticed earlier in this thread that someon purchased the S7100 and people said the DSP update didn't need to happen. Is this also true with the S6100?

Also, since I'm a newbie, can someone point out to me approximately how far into the thread I need to read to get instructions on where to download the Onkyo fix (if I need it) and where I can find the instructions on how to install it? This would be my first "good" receiver and speaker package, and I don't want to mess it up by playing one of these discs until the DSP update is made, and I don't want to screw up the updating, so I figure before I play anything (or even run Audyssey) I would run the Onyko fix first.

Also, I'm correct that I can run this update through a DVD player or my BD player correct? I don't have a stand alone CD player that has an optical out.

Sorry for all the questions, and thanks for the help!

My guess is that the receiver in this package will not need the update, but I don't have any hard evidence. The manual has a copyright date of 2008 and I would assume that the 7100 and 6100 came out about the same time. The 7100 has a 606 in it. The 606 is a 2008 model and does not have the DTS bomb issue. If the 6100 does require the update, I don't think any of us know where to get it. The update referred to in this thread is specifically meant for the x05 series of receivers.

The only way to be sure is to get one of the disks with a known problem and play it (bitstreamed) very softly thru the known timestamp with the bomb. If you don't hear anything, turn it up a little bit and check again. Repeat until you get to normal volume (although you should figure it out sooner than that). If it happens, you will know.

If the update applies, and it is similar (or is the same) as the update for the x05 series you will require some device that can bitstream the CD audio over optical to the receiver. CD Player, HD-DVD, DVD, BluRay, etc
post #2150 of 2238
Thanks jasonvr for the advice. I believe the 7100 and the 6100 did come out around the same time, but if I recall from my research the receiver is different. Do you know, or does anyone know if Onkyo addresses this issue on their website, with perhaps a list of affected receivers?

Thanks always to the peeps on this board who give great advice to those of us starting out!
post #2151 of 2238
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Originally Posted by HDNewbie1028 View Post

Thanks jasonvr for the advice. I believe the 7100 and the 6100 did come out around the same time, but if I recall from my research the receiver is different. Do you know, or does anyone know if Onkyo addresses this issue on their website, with perhaps a list of affected receivers?

Thanks always to the peeps on this board who give great advice to those of us starting out!

A while back, someone posted a link directly from Onkyo in this very thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1787

The link in that post goes to a page that asks for a model number and serial number. I don't believe that the recevier model in the 6100 is listed on that page, so you are probably ok.
post #2152 of 2238
I heard popping noises through out Be King Rewind on my PS3 (which I'm aware does not bitstream any HD audio formats), didn't affect my speakers or reciever though, it just annoyed the hell outta me. I have an Onkyo TXSR605.
post #2153 of 2238
any reports of this on the ht-r960 (ht-s9100thx's) receiver?
post #2154 of 2238
I had not experienced this issue with my 605 but didn't want to risk my speakers so i ran the DSP update and everything went well. Just wanted to let people know that the Oppo 980 works great for applying this update (not sure if someone else had posted this though).
post #2155 of 2238
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Originally Posted by Leonardo629 View Post

I updated my 605's DSP successfully, but this DTS bomb/fireworks sound still happened yesterday when I was watching Wall-E. It happened when I used the pop-up menu to jump from scene to scene. I tried Kingdom of Heaven (another DTS master blu-ray), and the same thing also happened when I use the pop up menu to jump to another scene.

This is very frustrating, and the funny thing is, this did not happen prior to me updating the DSP.

The "pop" you describe is not the same thing that the FW update was designed for. There is usually only one very loud pop, sounds more like gunshot that some discs have somewhere during playback only. This was far more then annoyance, this could blow your speakers.
post #2156 of 2238
Just heard the bomb playing Narnia (7.1 DTS-MA) using an RXV-3800 latest firmware and BD-30 with latest 4.0 firmware. It was about 1/3 way in at the forest when the little girl wakes up from a dream. Didn't check the time. This was a BB rental.

It was not loud enough to break the speakers and was mainly on the right channel. There was also a slight video glitch at the same time. A bit scary. Brought back memories of FOTP.
post #2157 of 2238
I just purchased Master and Commander last night, didn't know about this problem. I had the same loud pop right after the first battle when it was quiet and the doctor had just pulled the splinter out of Russell Crowe's neck. It came from all speakers and I have 8 connected. I had the volume up and the pop (Crack) blew my right speaker. I thought it was a problem with the movie and returned it today for another copy. To my surprise it had the same pop at the same spot. Has anybody come up with a solution yet?

Onkyo TX SR-805
Panasonic BD-35
JBL ND 310 Front
Polk Audio Center
Polk Audio Surrounds
Infinity Sub
post #2158 of 2238
Yes, they have. Your problem lies within your Onkyo TX-SR805. Onkyo released a DSP update that corrects the issue. The update is user installed and quite easy to do.

Contact Onkyo for an update disc, check their website or search these forums for an associated link.
post #2159 of 2238
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Originally Posted by DOC1963 View Post

Yes, they have. Your problem lies within your Onkyo TX-SR805. Onkyo released a DSP update that corrects the issue. The update is user installed and quite easy to do.

Contact Onkyo for an update disc, check their website or search these forums for an associated link.

Q - Are there any 'pops' that can damage your speakers?

I mean, as many people have heard the 'pops' (I have too, on Speed Racer / BD35 / Yammy DSP-A1 via optical), then one may expect a spate of speaker damage stories. Speakers are generally fairly durable.

Seems like these 'pops' are merely an annoyance, and not actually damaging. The severity of the signal would depend on the current attenuation set on your amp.
post #2160 of 2238
Depending upon the playback level, you absolutely can damage your speakers.

Until you have the fix in place, I would resort to a lesser soundtrack. I, personally, would not take the risk.
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