**WARNING** DTS Masters bitstreamed to Yamaha, Onkyo or Integra can damage speakers!! - Page 9

The Denon 3800 has not shown any damaging, unauthorized "popping" unless it was a machine gun, pistol, shotgun, body hitting pavement (that could be considered a "splat"), car bomb, explosion, or otherwise. Just very clean, unadulterated pure audio.....through analog silver interconnects. Night and day differences when compared to my A35 HDDVD.

I still believe the issues with HDMI audio (excluding LPCM) will continue to crop up....it's still a VERY new technology.

This is very interesting, to put it mildly.

Here's a quick Paraphrasing/Translation by me, on the middle section of the second url.


I see that Yamaha is allready offering a firmware update to fix the problem on their recievers (RX-V3800 series). Good news Here's the info;

Here's the list of players that can bitstream the advanced audio codes (per the Onkyo 705 FAQ group)

Need to see if we can confirm each of these makes the bang noise on the noted discs when using the DTS-HD sound source:


Samsung BD-UP5000 [Blu Ray & HD DVD] (True HD bitstream only, not DTS HD MA capable until firmware is released - If this doesn't come out it will be removed off the list)

Samsung BDP-1400 [Blu Ray]
Panasonic DMP-BD30 [Blu Ray]
Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD [Blu Ray]
Toshiba A35 [HD DVD]
Toshiba XA2 [HD DVD] (Only if you have firmware v2.7 or higher)
Onkyo DV-HD805 [HD DVD]

Well someone with a Pioneer 91txh reported experiencing this pop so this summary is not entirely true.

Will anyone know how to get the Yamaha Rx-V3800 firmware update, please ?
Also, is it possible to check 3800 firmware number and if so, how?
Thanks for help.

A new report of this same issue 3800 bitstreamed to Integra 9.8
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13436025

how does the Onkyo 8/905 get firmware upgraded?

The Integra DHS 8.8 also bitstreams DTS HDMA. It is an XA2 re-badge.

I also wonder if the appearance (or non-appearance) of the "pop" is influenced by the nature of the playback as you approach the timecode where it is reported to occur. Clearly, it will happen if you have been watching the entire movie preceding that point (as that is where people were initially caught off guard, by simply watching the movie). Now does it happen consistently if you cue right up to that moment to see if it occurs? Does it happen (or fail to happen) consistently if you cue really close to the moment vs. cue farther away and wait for it to play through the moment at normal speed? Is there any difference if you cue to a moment (or ffwd) that overshoots the timecode, then back up (rwd), and then play through the timecode? This subtle "playback history" effect could further introduce inconsistency between different persons reporting in here who encountered the effect while simply watching the movie vs. persons who went right to the timecode to check that moment, specifically.

I just sent off an email to Onkyo with my specific details of hardware, timestamps, etc

I also embedded the links to the info we posted here with the testing done by Midwest User1

I also mentioned that they have already been informed of this issue by others here and dropped the Onkyo rep's name mentioned in the email posted here from them

We will see what they send back to me

I included my full contact info for them to reach me

Stay tuned

Just read this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post13436800


Possibly ANOTHER movie to add to the list
Defintely points to being not a movie issue but the chip/decoder issue

Another claim of bang/pop noise on Flight of Phoenix:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post13437479

So, according to eulogytool and teamrivers, the Denon 3800 does not exhibit the anomaly when internally decoding DTS-HD MA, but eulogytool also reports that it does when bitstreaming out to non-Denon receivers. Very interesting.

Yikes...if that is the case, it must he a hardware issue (that I hope can be solved with a firmware update)

Don't know if this is supposed to be posted here but I experienced a sounds like metal to metal grinding with 3:10 yuma, I put in the disc to my bd30 the movie did not started yet but suddenly a scary noise coming from front speakers including the center channel but it went away when the movie started showing the fbi warning or something.

It happened with my:
BD30
ONKYO 705
movie is 3:10 to yuma

anyone experience this? my level volume was 35 not so loud when I play 3:10 yuma. I was not aware of this thread until now, I've seen it but did not pay any attention reading it but yesterday I picked up a OB bd30 for 349.00 at circuit city so I am excited to see bitstreaming inmy onkyo 705 but got me scared when I put 3:10 yuma, I first tried FF4, SAW IV, SPIDEY 3 but never heard the noise.

EDIT: I set up every audio codecs to BITSTREAM

I personally have had the "POP" sound at the exact same spot in the "The Fly" when:

1) Playing the movie from the very beginning
2) Skipping directly to Chapter 5 and then letting it play through the described scene
3) Skipping directly to Chapter 5 an then fast forwarding to right before the described scene
4) After playing through the described scene and hearing the POP then rewinding and letting it play through the described scene again I also heard the POP.

Therefore in the testing I have done thusfar it doesn't matter how I get to that scene but it always exhibits the POP sound at the same spot.

I will also state that Onkyo/Integra are taking this serious as they have asked my dealer for some specifics regarding the testing we did so that they can isolate this issue to see if there is a fix.

My point is the right folks at Onkyo/Integra are involved and they are aware that there is possibly an issue. Stay tuned folks and hang in there as these company's will come up with the fix in due time.

When that scene comes up, if you just fastforward past the part where it causes the POP, it won't do it. So you can still bitstream, if you just remember that.

I wonder what kind of update that onkyo can do? I hope I don't have to send my reciever to colorado to get fixed. Rather do it locally if possible.

Jacob

The Cream concert at Royal Albert Hall is DTS HD Master.

Glad I found this thread. I posted this as an update on the BD30 and Yamaha 3800 threads. This is with DTS-HD MA over HDMI with BD30 and Yamaha 3800:

I have been able to reproduce (somewhat) the noise issue I had with Flight of the Phoenix. It happens right at 051 min into the movie just at or after they break off the first wing by jumping on it. I found that the noise does not occur exactly the same intensity or the same place each time but within secs of that wing break. I was afraid to have the volume high during the replay. The noise is a static sound like high-voltage static electricity crackling through the speakers. Mainly in the front. It happens at a much higher volume than the set volume but depends on the set volume. That is, if the set volume was very high, it seems it could damage speakers for sure.

I'm sure they will blame the BD or the Panasonic BD30 player, more likely the BD itself. I have not heard this anywhere else in all the years of blasting my DVD movies, but now makes me cautious about playing disks in the future. It seems this new technology opens up new possibilities for glitches that are not caught before causing catastrophic damage to ears or equipment. Caution ahead.

I encourage anyone to try that section of the BD if you have it (using DTS-HD MA over HDMI), especially if you are using the new 1.6 firmware in a BD30. Maybe it's just a freak disk.

also the Eagles Farewell tour.... pops at the 23:40 mark

Mod - Need to update the 1st page with all the timestamps that have been posted here in this thread so we gather all the info for the mfgs and to have it in one place

It would be a good idea if the big sites could post a news about it.
engadget, audioholics, etc...
so that this problems gets the attention of everyone and yamaha and onkyo will be obligated to do something.

the Yamaha service in Belgium is as worse as the american one, but german one is Top.

I don't have a ethernet or USB connection to update my Yamaha HTR-6190 (same as RX-V1800) how do I make the firmware update anyways?
Do anyone know if the Yamaha HTR-6190 will do the same pop as the RX-V1800?

Thanks... OMG I hope I don't have to send my reciever!

Can the BD30 decode DTS-HD? I thought it could only bitstream it. Do you get 5.1 PCM at the receiver?