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post #151 of 2819
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Did anyone notice that the initial load progress bar changed from red to blue with firmware BH0208314B?

I wonder if this is justa coincidence or if this has a special meaning.

Does anyone know if the progress bar has a red or blue color with the January firmware?



I just got my player a couple of days ago. The progress bar was indeed red and after the March 14/08 firmware upgrade it did indeed turn to blue. Significance...lol I doubt it.
post #152 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Caanda45 View Post

I just got my player a couple of days ago. The progress bar was indeed red and after the March 14/08 firmware upgrade it did indeed turn to blue. Significance...lol I doubt it.

Really? This is even more significant than all the other new features. I better add it to the first post

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

yikes, doesn't Onkyo require shipping units (at least some, like the 605) back to them for the upgrade?

Surely there is no other way of doing it? It has no DVD/CD drive for example.

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Originally Posted by StardustOne View Post

My German HD DVD "Der Geist von Mae Nak" has a German DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 soundtrack.

The Thai soundtrack is DTS Surround with 48 kHz and has the format 3/2/.1

Thanks for confirming the DTS-HD status StardustOne. I'll remove it from the first post. I'm not sure what Hawkeye3.1 was referring to but it's clearly Bitstream only.

So the German HD-DVD is dub in DTS-HD or original Thai in Legacy DTS only? Yuck! I cannot stand it when Dubs get a higher audio format. We have few DVDs over here where English gets the DTS soundtrack. I always hate it when it happens. Thankfully by far most DVDs the original language gets the DTS track.
post #153 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post


Surely there is no other way of doing it? It has no DVD/CD drive for example.

Sure there is. All you have to do is call Onkyo and they tell you the address of your nearest authorized Onkyo service center. No need to ship anything, you can bring it in, ven wait for it if you're lucky (depending on the fix), free of charge, of course.
post #154 of 2819
Has anyone noticed these?

when playing an HD DVD disk with a dts track- its bitstreamed to DTS-HD master(Chronicles of riddick, u-571 we were soldiers to name a few)

All BDs with 5.1 PCM are bitstreamed to 7.1
post #155 of 2819
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Chronicles of Riddick, U-571 and We Were Soldiers only have standard DTS not DTS-HD Master Audio

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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Sure there is. All you have to do is call Onkyo and they tell you the address of your nearest authorized Onkyo service center.

Oh right.

I forgot about that route, having never done it myself. I'm sure we have service centres over here but I've always just sent stuff back. I've never been offered a service centre as an option but I'm not sure I'd take it. It could take ages to fix a problem and I don't want to have to wait around while they look into the problem and fix it.

I'd rather they looked at it without my presence putting them off . I've never thankfully had to send an Amp back though.
post #156 of 2819
Since HD DVD is done I'm looking for a combo player since I have 30+ movies (Preordered my A2 back in the day....). I'm not sure if I should buy the BH200 or wait for the BH300. These are my questions:

- Will the BH200 be able to handle profile 2.0?
- How long until the BH300 is released?
- What will the BH300 sell for?

With the new firmware fix out I am very close to just buying the BH200 now. Should I wait or should I go now???? Thanks!
post #157 of 2819
Okay just got the BH-200 love the unit, I have an8 year old Yamaha receiver that just does Dolby Pro Logic. I am getting a new AVR receiver, contemplating the Yamaha 3800, with the new firmware on the BH-200 what will it bring to the table??? I am using Mirage M1speakers and sub the connection will be all HDMI.
So what new audio codec will this receiver bring me?What should I set it on? ( DTS HD MA?) Am I right in thinking that if you have the right receiver you want the receiver to process the audio? Any help in this convoluted matter would be most appreciated!!!
post #158 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Caanda45 View Post

Okay just got the BH-200 love the unit, I have an8 year old Yamaha receiver that just does Dolby Pro Logic. I am getting a new AVR receiver, contemplating the Yamaha 3800, with the new firmware on the BH-200 what will it bring to the table??? I am using Mirage M1speakers and sub.
So what new audio codec will this receiver bring me?What should I set it on? ( DTS HD MA?) Am I right in thinking that if you have the right receiver you want the receiver to process the audio? Any help in this convoluted matter would be most appreciated!!!

See AVR section - even the cheapest 663 can do DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD now, for ~$500.
IIRC 3800 is nothing more than 1800 w/ network audio playback which a ~$200 Sueezebox can do plus much more and much better. Make sure you compare RX-V1800 to HTR-6180, 6160, V683 and 663 because many are pretty much the same sans consmetics.
post #159 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bigjb419 View Post

Since HD DVD is done I'm looking for a combo player since I have 30+ movies (Preordered my A2 back in the day....). I'm not sure if I should buy the BH200 or wait for the BH300. These are my questions:

- Will the BH200 be able to handle profile 2.0?
- How long until the BH300 is released?
- What will the BH300 sell for?

With the new firmware fix out I am very close to just buying the BH200 now. Should I wait or should I go now???? Thanks!

I'm in the same boat and I think I'll buy this one as soon as the region-free trick has been confirmed - there's nothing solid about BH300 and nobody knows how much it will sell for if it ever arrives.
post #160 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Chronicles of Riddick, U-571 and We Were Soldiers only have standard DTS not DTS-HD Master Audio .

Thats what I thought originally!!?? My buddy told me that Chronicles of riddick had dts-hd master when he played it on his hd-a35 back in december. I thought he was pulling my leg. Now that the Bh-200 bitstreams lossless codecs my receiver (onkyo 605)says DTS-HD MASTER for movies like Riddick, u-571 and we were soldiers.

Bradavon, whAt kind ofreceiver do you have?
post #161 of 2819
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Originally Posted by rded View Post


All BDs with 5.1 PCM are bitstreamed to 7.1

not all , watched pirates last night at it only was 5.1, but i have noticed some 5.1 tracks are actually playing 7.1 after bitstream (ac/dc live BD, beowulf hd dvd, and crank hd dvd import) so far...
post #162 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bigjb419 View Post

- Will the BH200 be able to handle profile 2.0?

The manual says it's possible and it's likely the hardware is capable but so far the firmware is Profile 1.1 only. No one (except LG) honestly know if it will ever come, but it's certainly possible.

If you buy the BH200 think of it as a bonus instead of expecting Profile 2.0. Profile 1.1 was promised but Profile 2.0 hasn't been.

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Originally Posted by bigjb419 View Post

- How long until the BH300 is released?
- What will the BH300 sell for?

Someone in the Main BH200 thread said at a Texan Trade fair LG said "a few months" so really it's anyone business. It's to early days to have any idea about what it will have (although we know it will be Profile 2.0) and how much it will cost.

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Originally Posted by bigjb419 View Post

Should I wait or should I go now???? Thanks!

At the end of the that's up to you, but you could be waiting a wee while for the BH300. My feeling is, if the BH200 ticks the boxes (except Profile 2.0) buy it.

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Originally Posted by halfsane View Post

not all , watched pirates last night at it only was 5.1, but i have noticed some 5.1 tracks are actually playing 7.1 after bitstream (ac/dc live BD, beowulf hd dvd, and crank hd dvd import) so far...

The extra two channels with be matrixed from the existing two rear channels by the Amp. They won't be true discrete channels, as they don't exist in the first place on 5.1 tracks.
post #163 of 2819
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Originally Posted by rded View Post

Thats what I thought originally!!?? My buddy told me that Chronicles of riddick had dts-hd master when he played it on his hd-a35 back in december. I thought he was pulling my leg. Now that the Bh-200 bitstreams lossless codecs my receiver (onkyo 605)says DTS-HD MASTER for movies like Riddick, u-571 and we were soldiers.

Does it sound better than what you had before? Which would've been the Core and so obviously the same as if it had had just DTS.

I ask as it's very strange if that's true. Universal have never used DTS-HD on any HD-DVDs they've created themselves. Always strongly being the Dolby camp when it comes to HD Audio.

There are a handful of Universal HD-DVDs in Germany and Australia with DTS-HD MA but these are crucially ports of French HD-DVDs and I know for a fact all Universal did was change the cover art/disc art. The disc contents is identical. In short those aren't strictly Universal discs.

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Originally Posted by rded View Post

Bradavon, whAt kind ofreceiver do you have?

Contrary to what it may have appeared online by my post count I only currently have a DVD Player and Sony STB-DBR940 Receiver.

I've been waiting for a Combo which does Lossless Audio and Profile 1.1. Now that the LG BH200 is fixed I will be picking one up, then later in the year upgrade my Amp, to one with HDMI 1.3 (probably the Onkyo 605). Right now I'm unemployed (hence my post count ) so cannot buy anything .

The Sony STB-DBR940 Receiver is a DTS/DD5.1 Home Cinema Separates Amp with Optical, Coaxial and Analogue Inputs. It was my original intention to buy the Samsung for it's Analogue Outputs but obviously I no longer want that and will compromise by buying a new Amp later in the year. Which will be better anyway as I won't need an HDMI switch box too.

It's why I was particularly keen to hear how the March firmware down converted TrueHD, as at first I'll be needing it.
post #164 of 2819
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Thread updated to include info on Julio Cohen's SD DVD MR Hack!
post #165 of 2819
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm way new to this LG200 unit. I have a Toshiba XA2 and an Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver which WILL handle all the new audio choices. I'm using HDMI. And, like others, I am now forced to go Bluray.
I prefer the receiver to do the audio. Will the LG output all of the newfangled audio to the newer av receivers?
And with this March firmware, will the unit give you 24p ( Have a Panasonic AE1000 which does 24p )
If so, this unit sounds like it deserves a little more attention!
post #166 of 2819
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Yes and Yes.

It's always done 24p but you can now select it in the menu to make sure it works, as I understand it was a bit flaky before whether it actually worked. TrueHD is Onboard decoding or Bitstream and DTS-HD Bitstream only.

Please see the first post for confirmation links where users have confirmed each feature works. Please have a read of both the first and seconds posts, which should hopefully answer most/all questions for you
post #167 of 2819
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Originally Posted by rded View Post

Thats what I thought originally!!?? My buddy told me that Chronicles of riddick had dts-hd master when he played it on his hd-a35 back in december. I thought he was pulling my leg. Now that the Bh-200 bitstreams lossless codecs my receiver (onkyo 605)says DTS-HD MASTER for movies like Riddick, u-571 and we were soldiers.

Bradavon, whAt kind ofreceiver do you have?

Those DTS tracks are actually High Resolution tracks. If you ask me, I bet you that your receiver was just made not to distinguish between DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA on the screen and just displays them both as the same. Try a track that you know has DTS-HD HR and see if it displays anything differently.
post #168 of 2819
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Personally I'd be as surprised if they were DTS-HD HR tracks, for the same reason I cite above .
post #169 of 2819
well I know they are 1.5 Mbps
post #170 of 2819
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Originally Posted by robertpierre View Post

My BH200 has the manufacture date of Jan 2008, came with the network driver 7.01 and I have updated the F/W twice: first to the "P" version from 2007, then to the just-pulled March version. No issues with any of the discs, including Japanese, Dutch and German HD DVDs as well as North American BD. Sound is perfect, with pass-through or re-encoding (DTS 5.1).... If the F/W is truly BETA, than it is a fully-functional one. BTW, both updates were done by disc - it seems a safer way to do so, as the network connection may drop out in the middle of the upgrade....


Thanks for the info Robert. Good to hear.
post #171 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

It's always done 24p but you can now select it in the menu to make sure it works, as I understand it was a bit flaky before whether it actually worked.

It's still a little flakey... No matter what I did, I couldn't get it to sync with my 46XBR4 at 24p while playing 300 (HD-DVD). Popped in The Manchurian Candidate (HD-DVD); no problem. Popped in Antarctica (BD); no problem. Put 300 back in; no 24p!

A_C
post #172 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Does it sound better than what you had before? Which would've been the Core and so obviously the same as if it had had just DTS.

I ask as it's very strange if that's true. Universal have never used DTS-HD on any HD-DVDs they've created themselves. Always strongly being the Dolby camp when it comes to HD Audio.

There are a handful of Universal HD-DVDs in Germany and Australia with DTS-HD MA but these are crucially ports of French HD-DVDs and I know for a fact all Universal did was change the cover art/disc art. The disc contents is identical. In short those aren't strictly Universal discs.


Contrary to what it may have appeared online by my post count I only currently have a DVD Player and Sony STB-DBR940 Receiver.

I've been waiting for a Combo which does Lossless Audio and Profile 1.1. Now that the LG BH200 is fixed I will be picking one up, then later in the year upgrade my Amp, to one with HDMI 1.3 (probably the Onkyo 605). Right now I'm unemployed (hence my post count ) so cannot buy anything .

The Sony STB-DBR940 Receiver is a DTS/DD5.1 Home Cinema Separates Amp with Optical, Coaxial and Analogue Inputs. It was my original intention to buy the Samsung for it's Analogue Outputs but obviously I no longer want that and will compromise by buying a new Amp later in the year. Which will be better anyway as I won't need an HDMI switch box too.

It's why I was particularly keen to hear how the March firmware down converted TrueHD, as at first I'll be needing it.

Well here's my honest opinion.... With riddick(universal) the dts hd master was more open than retrained and the surrounds were alive and dynamic. With we were soldiers(paramount) the dd+ had more "spank and ump" vs the dts-hd. I have not listned to u571 to the full extent but will PM you about it So I really cant say for sure that universal is using lossless codec here as the dts-hd display is not an isolated event because the hd-a35 bitstreams it the same way. All I know is that the dts-hd with riddick sounds better with the bh200 vs my old hd-a20
post #173 of 2819
A quick question,

If you set the HDMI setting to "PCM Multi-Ch" and Sampling Freq to "96 Khz" does the BH200 upconvert all audio to 96Khz? (Including 16/48 and 24/48 tracks)
post #174 of 2819
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Thanks RDED

So your Toshiba HD-DVD Player also reports they have DTS-HD, correct?
post #175 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Thanks RDED

So your Toshiba HD-DVD Player also reports they have DTS-HD, correct?

Well its my buddy's hd-dvd hd-a35 and yes it says "dts-hd master" for riddick. BTW just tested U571 and the dts-hd track did indeed put out a tighter bass and slightly more open sounding track .This is really weird why Universal and paramount did not include the specs for these hd dvd titles?? My Guess is that since these are 1st gen titles for HD DVD and non of the players back then decoded dts hd internally let alone bitstram it that they didnt even bother.
post #176 of 2819
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Originally Posted by rded View Post

Well its my buddy's hd-dvd hd-a35 and yes it says "dts-hd master" for riddick.

Sorry you already said that, my mistake.

I don't know what to say. I'd be surprised if it's correct but two players saying it's DTS-HD is pretty hard to argue against.

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Originally Posted by rded View Post

My Guess is that since these are 1st gen titles for HD DVD and non of the players back then decoded dts hd internally let alone bitstram it that they didnt even bother.

You could well be right. Universal may have just been lazy and slapped DTS 5.1 text on the back cover. I think they're all Universal, not Paramount titles.
post #177 of 2819
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Sorry you already said that, my mistake.

I don't know what to say. I'd be surprised if it's correct but two players saying it's DTS-HD is pretty hard to argue against.


You could well be right. Universal may have just been lazy and slapped DTS 5.1 text on the back cover. I think they're all Universal, not Paramount titles.

We were soldiers is a paramount title here in US I dont know if its different in the UK? I also have U2 rattle and hum(paramount) which has dts but did not try that yet. Will keepyou guys posted.
post #178 of 2819
A bit of a problem here.
I've upgraded my BH200 with the March firmware and as I reported earlier, Dolby TrueHD audio works nicely as Primary Pass-Through via HDMI to my Pioneer VSX-94 AVR. However I've had a chance now to watch a few more movies and I've discovered DD+ now just outputs noise where it worked prior to the upgrade.
I've tested on only two disks so far. Roy Orbison Black and White Night, and Serenity. Both HD-DVD format.
If I set the BH200 to PCM Multi-Ch, I get DD+ but no TrueHD.
If I set it to Primary Pass-Thru, I get TrueHD but no DD+.

Is anybody else seeing this or is my issue unique?

Update: I tried a few more HD-DVD's and without exception, DD+ just produces a ratchet sounding static noise.
DD 5.1 on SD DVD's is OK, and Uncompressed PCM 5.1 on Blu-Ray discs is also OK.
For whatever it's worth, my AVR displays "Stereo 192 kHz PCM whenever I try to listen to a DD+ audio track.
post #179 of 2819
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Originally Posted by rded View Post

We were soldiers is a paramount title here in US I dont know if its different in the UK?

Oh right thanks.

It's Warner in the UK but you're right that's not relevant as we're talking about American discs. U-571 is an EIV release (dodgy UK distributor) and Chronicles of Riddick also Universal. This site is great for checking DVD/HD-DVD/BD specifications around the world:

http://www.dvdcompare.net/

I don't think Paramount have used DTS-HD before/since either.
post #180 of 2819
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Originally Posted by blakeBBY View Post

Those DTS tracks are actually High Resolution tracks. If you ask me, I bet you that your receiver was just made not to distinguish between DTS-HD and DTS-HD MA on the screen and just displays them both as the same. Try a track that you know has DTS-HD HR and see if it displays anything differently.


On the contrary. When I play BD Queen Live at Montreal is says DTS-MAster High Resolution and For FOX movies like Die Hard, X-men etc it saya DTS-HD MAster. So Its the same thing for The HD DVD ones I mentioned above.
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