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post #241 of 2819
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

hi everyone,
Just picked up a BH200 -- or I should say it's "en route".

For the firmware update, do you recommend first connecting via the net to update the loader first -- then applying the March firmware via USB stick?

Would like to know the best route to go. Cheers!

I couldn't use the net update feature until I did the firmware update.
post #242 of 2819
NO HDDCD Problems here (yet):

For you gurus, I just received a REFURB BH200 that has a build date of Jan 08. I don't know if the build date makes any difference here. The out of box FW was BH02071119P/PKG411_LGZ, and the driver was 701.

I updated to the March FW (BH02080314B) via CD without incident. Thanks, gurus, for providing me with the links to this FW.

After updating the FW I updated the driver to 0702 via internet without incident.

In the setup I set all the audio settings to bitstream passthrough and sampling Freq. to 192 kHz. Of course the network option was available after the FW update. I set the video to 1080P (not 24 Hz). I left all the other settings to the defaults.

My receivers are the Denon 3808 and the 4308 which, as the above settings indicate, are doing the decoding for me.

I shoved in a few movies to check if I have any of the high definition audio problems:

NO Blu-Ray disks have any problems (DD, DD+, True_HD, DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-MA. The receivers decode all of the formats to their intended formats.

NO HD-DVD disks have any problems that others are having! This includes DD, DD+, True-HD. I played Spartacus, Batman Begins, and several other HD-DVD disks, INCLUDING TRANSFORMERS, and all of them are doing proper decoding.

I played Allegri Miserere, a beautiful chorale piece (music CD) "just to make sure" that even music CDs would work. An SD disk, Master and Commander also played standard old DD without a hiccup.

5.1 playback to ALL speakers is working.

I hate to say this but I agree that if there is a bug in the March FW update, it is due to the RECEIVERS (with the later Denons likely being the exception) not being able to handle DD+, etc., with the March FW provided by LG.

I saw on here that some other later model Denon users are NOT having audio issues with the LG.

This being said, I am GUESSING that LG used Denon receivers as their guinea pigs when they were writing the new March FW, because of the ability of the Denons to do the HD audio decoding via bitstream. I think that very few other receivers do the HD decoding. As a consequence when the FW was released the other receiver manufacturers started getting "OOPS, this doesn't work with our new FluxCapacitor receiver" problems! Of course the only thing LG could do was pull that driver as Denon is not the only popular AVR manufacturer.

Hmmm.... maybe that is why it has taken so long for both Samsung and LG to write HDMI passthrough drivers for the myriad of receivers on the market today.

It is not that the Denons are any better than other receivers; I guess I am just lucky in that LG wrote a driver that works with the Denons. Everything is working for me... so far.
post #243 of 2819
I am definately a noob when it comes to audio/video technology. Be gentle.

My setup:
BH200 (March update/0702 driver) set to pass-thru.
HDMI connection to Denon 3808ci (latest updates).
HDMI connection to Panny 65 750u.

I watched I am Legend Blu-ray last PM. The case indicates the it has Dolby True HD, but my Denon displays DD+. What am I missing?

Thanks in advance.
post #244 of 2819
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Originally Posted by proctoman View Post

I am definately a noob when it comes to audio/video technology. Be gentle.

My setup:
BH200 (March update/0702 driver) set to pass-thru.
HDMI connection to Denon 3808ci (latest updates).
HDMI connection to Panny 65 750u.

I watched I am Legend Blu-ray last PM. The case indicates the it has Dolby True HD, but my Denon displays DD+. What am I missing?

Thanks in advance.

Make sure you go in to the bluray movie setup and choose truHD
post #245 of 2819
Wow, this player has become very tantalizing over night. I'd love to consolidate 2 players into 1, this is tempting.
post #246 of 2819
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Originally Posted by proctoman View Post

I am definately a noob when it comes to audio/video technology. Be gentle.

My setup:
BH200 (March update/0702 driver) set to pass-thru.
HDMI connection to Denon 3808ci (latest updates).
HDMI connection to Panny 65 750u.

I watched I am Legend Blu-ray last PM. The case indicates the it has Dolby True HD, but my Denon displays DD+. What am I missing?

Thanks in advance.

There is no DD+ track, so that is very strange Are you sure it doesn't say +PLIIX or something like that?
post #247 of 2819
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

There is no DD+ track, so that is very strange Are you sure it doesn't say +PLIIX or something like that?


I am at work, but now that I think about it, that is what the Denon read. So, there is a place on the movie menu to choose Dolby True HD?
post #248 of 2819
Will the BH200 now pass 5.1 TruHD & DTS HD MA thru the analog outputs?
post #249 of 2819
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Originally Posted by proctoman View Post

I am at work, but now that I think about it, that is what the Denon read. So, there is a place on the movie menu to choose Dolby True HD?

That just means you have the Denon set up to extract 7.1 from the 5.1 TrueHD encode.. You can go into the setup menu just like DVD to pick the audio option, but it should default to TrueHD... which it sounds like you were hearing.
post #250 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Old AV Buff View Post

Will the BH200 now pass 5.1 TruHD & DTS HD MA thru the analog outputs?

I don't believe BH200 has 5.1/7.1 analog out.
post #251 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I don't believe BH200 has 5.1/7.1 analog out.

That's right, only stereo analog outs.
post #252 of 2819
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I couldn't use the net update feature until I did the firmware update.

So what would be the best method of updating the firmware on a new BH200?
post #253 of 2819
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

So what would be the best method of updating the firmware on a new BH200?

Install the new firmware and then do the internet update...

Then re-install the new firmware.. the last part hasn't proven to be a necessity, but solved some other users issues.
post #254 of 2819
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Install the new firmware and then do the internet update...

Then re-install the new firmware.. the last part hasn't proven to be a necessity, but solved some other users issues.

Thanks
post #255 of 2819
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Originally Posted by oilblue View Post



I'll get it started:
- presumably all four are using HDMI Primary Pass-thru...right? Yes.
- presumably all four are using the March firmware (BH02080314B): Yes
- question remains: what driver version does everyone have? 0702
- receiver brand and model? Marantz SR7002

(bitstreaming pass/fail)
HD DVD:
- DD: Fail
- DD+: Fail
- Dolby TrueHD: Fail
- DTS-MA: Fail

BD:
- DD: Pass
- DD+: N/A
- Dolby TrueHD: Pass
- DTS-MA: Pass


Anyone else that's tested bitstreaming please respond as well.

Interestingly, I had no problems with HD DVD bitstreaming on an Onkyo TX-SR805 but decided not to keep it and go with Marantz partly because I was leaning that way anyway and the "bitstream bomb" motivated me to make the switch.
post #256 of 2819
A friend mailed me the March upgrade cd and I just upgraded my unit. Now it plays Sunshine blu-ray perfectly! I only have access to low-speed dialup so I'm wondering if it's really necessary for me to upgrade the driver from 700 to 702?
I have no intention of ever hooking the player to the internet for web features. 1.1 profile is all I will really need for the foreseeable future.
Should I bother with upgrading the driver?
UPDATE: I spoke a bit too soon. At the 1hr,24 minute mark, the movie started to stutter badly. I had to press pause, rewind and then play. Played okay until the 1hr,35 minute mark, then stuttered badly again. Had to repeat the process to finish the film.
Before the upgrade it was almost impossible to get the movie to even start playing, so this is still an improvement, but not perfection.
BTW the player is hooked up simply, via the hdmi input to an LG plasma tv set.
UPDATE: I just tried the HD DVD version of Digital Video Essentials. I'm just getting static for the audio. I had been hoping that this issue was restricted to certain receivers and would not be an issue with direct hookup to the tv set. Tried Bourne Ultimatum and the audio was fine. I guess this is why the March firmware was pulled?
post #257 of 2819
Hi there,

I bought a LG BH-200 today and straight out of the box updated to FW BH02080314B. I used to own another of those machines about a month ago but as it was giving me some terrible issues, I returned it and got a Samsung UP5000. Anyhow, after the recent firmware development, got the LG today.
BUT the strangest thing happened, as I was watching HULK(North American Ver.), exactly at 1:11:13 (the very beginning of chapter titled "His Father's son") the screen went black (the sound too) and and the timer on the display panel started to skip 3-5 seconds forward. When I moved to the next chapter, normal playback resumed. FFW and RW back and forth, still the same issue. Took the disk out and put it back, still no playback at that chapter. I decided to play it on the Samsung and it played it without a hitch. I watched the movie till the end to avoid any further surprises. Then I put the disk back in the LG and it was playing that chapter flawlessly!!!!!!
Anyone experienced something similar? Should I take it back to the store and exchange it?

Thank
post #258 of 2819
for some reason I bought 3 different 200's and none of them want to play video through my Onkyo 705. I have an Insignia plasma DVI to my 705 by dvi-hdmi. I bought 1.3a monster cables hdmi and hooked up my 200 and the moment I turn on my 705 the 200 shuts off.

Anyone have any suggestions? I called LG and was told it is because no receiver on the market is capable of doing 1.3 hdmi. I called BS on that
post #259 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Cnd Joe View Post

for some reason I bought 3 different 200's and none of them want to play video through my Onkyo 705. I have an Insignia plasma DVI to my 705 by dvi-hdmi. I bought 1.3a monster cables hdmi and hooked up my 200 and the moment I turn on my 705 the 200 shuts off.

Anyone have any suggestions? I called LG and was told it is because no receiver on the market is capable of doing 1.3 hdmi. I called BS on that

Do you know if your plasma is HDCP compliant because some displays with DVI are not compliant and unable to recive A picture from the digital output of the sorce EG:BLU-RAY player without going through A HDCP stripper to allow the non compliant display to work....
post #260 of 2819
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Originally Posted by proctoman View Post

I am definately a noob when it comes to audio/video technology. Be gentle.

My setup:
BH200 (March update/0702 driver) set to pass-thru.
HDMI connection to Denon 3808ci (latest updates).
HDMI connection to Panny 65 750u.

I watched I am Legend Blu-ray last PM. The case indicates the it has Dolby True HD, but my Denon displays DD+. What am I missing?

Thanks in advance.

The disc does not default to Doldy True HD. Use the audio button to search for it (it cycles through sound tracks that are available) Sometimes you even find a 7.1 LPCM that is not listed!
post #261 of 2819
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Originally Posted by The Soapbox Kid View Post

Interestingly, I had no problems with HD DVD bitstreaming on an Onkyo TX-SR805 but decided not to keep it and go with Marantz partly because I was leaning that way anyway and the "bitstream bomb" motivated me to make the switch.

Please, I have had no audio/video problems with my Onkyo 605. I run everything through the Onkyo with HDMI. No sonic booms or audio problems of any kind. If there is a disc out there that has a problem, I haven't watched it. Anyway Onkyo would address such a problem and note it on their web page.
post #262 of 2819
It's great that the titles you've watched aren't on the problem list. Judging by the Bitstream Bomb thread, bitstreaming DTS-MA tracks is a very real potential problem with Integra, Onkoyo, and Yamaha receivers. Have you seen that thread?
post #263 of 2819
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Originally Posted by Sunnie View Post

Please, I have had no audio/video problems with my Onkyo 605. I run everything through the Onkyo with HDMI. No sonic booms or audio problems of any kind. If there is a disc out there that has a problem, I haven't watched it. Anyway Onkyo would address such a problem and note it on their web page.

The problem is real and I have experienced it with the BH200 bitstreaming to an Onkyo TX-SR805 with Fantastic Four. Hopefully Onkyo does address it, but as of now there is a definite and distinct problem with Onkyo and Yamaha AVR's. It does appear that Onkyo in Europe is addressing the issue, however Onkyo USA and Onkyo Canada have yet to acknowledge the issue.

It is relevant for this thread because the BH200 can bitstream dts-HD MA.
post #264 of 2819
Is there an audio difference between bitstreaming and sending it to the 605 in PCM?
post #265 of 2819
XBRSteve: It depends. Looking solely at the lossless codecs:

- the BH200 can both decode and bitstream Dolby TrueHD.

- on the other hand, it can "only" bitstream DTS-HD MA (still a significant feature in and of itself). Decoding DTS-HD MA appears to be "Core Only" (which is lossy).

If you have an affected receiver, avoiding the problem means going with "HDMI - PCM Multi-Ch." for DTS-HD MA tracks. That's Core-Only (at this point anyway), so in theory there is a difference between bitstreaming vs. decoding.

Decoding does have an advantage though--IME (in-movie-experience) special features audio. IME makes use of a secondary audio and video decoders. If you bitstream a movie, you'll "only" get the primary track. That's perfectly fine for watching the movie...but if you want to watch the IME, I believe you'll have to decode. I don't know for sure since we don't have an HDMI receiver, never mind HDMI1.3.

Hope that helps.
post #266 of 2819
There's also a quality issue. A good AVR may be using better DA conversion circuitry and that will lead to better sound. In my experience, I do notice a richer sound with my AVR decoding than with any of my players (HD-A35, PS3, or BH200).
post #267 of 2819
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Originally Posted by The Soapbox Kid View Post

There's also a quality issue. A good AVR may be using better DA conversion circuitry and that will lead to better sound. In my experience, I do notice a richer sound with my AVR decoding than with any of my players (HD-A35, PS3, or BH200).

Sending the signal as PCM the only DA converter involved is in your AVR...
post #268 of 2819
Sorry ... typed too quickly. You're right, the only DAC is still the AVR. I did mean to say that a good AVR may do a better job of decoding in the same way they do a better job of DAC than the average CD player.
post #269 of 2819
Nope. This is digital decoding we're talking about. AVR should decode out the exact same audio as player. The difference is audio processing, i.e. effects and speaker/bass management. A good AVR should process bitstream audio and MPCM audio the exact same way. However, majority of consumer level AVRs will not do any processing on MPCM or multi-channel Analog in signal and let them pass through directly to AMP. Most players also have very poor speaker/bass management implementation. This combined effect usually means let your AVR to all the decoding is the best choice. Of course, you will lose secondary audio like menu sound, PIP and commentary etc. when bitstram is used.
post #270 of 2819
Makes sense.

Since I am still having this problem of HD DVD not being able to bitstream from my BH200 (Blu-ray's fine), I know the player decodes TrueHD internally so I can send it as PCM. I assume it does the same for Dolby Digital. But, does it also decode DD+ internally? Or, does it downgrade it to standard DD?
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