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post #2551 of 2810
1/4/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by chexi1 View Post

Has anyone else had trouble installing the newest firmware? Every time I try (by USB or network), it gets to the verify stage and then ultimately gives me a software fail code.

Actually, I am 2 firmwares behind. I can't get the march firmware to take either.

I think you have corrupt firmware on your machine if the network doesn't work.

Silly question, did you modify the region code to B and forget about it?
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post #2552 of 2810
1/4/10 at 4:59pm
Not a silly question. I bought mine used. I do not know what the original owner might have done to modify the region code. I was able to update firmware once successfully a while back, but never since then.

Note, attempted update by CD-Rom also fails. Software Fail 115 code.
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post #2553 of 2810
1/4/10 at 5:26pm
Bah... region was set at 00, the default. I have updated to the 702 driver, which did work, but still the firmware update process fails in the verify stage. I also changed the region to 80 (USA with PAL) to see, but the firmware still failed.
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post #2554 of 2810
1/5/10 at 8:13am
Hi all,

I bought a used BH200 off another forum user and receive the message "Signal not supported" whenever I use an HDMI connection. I have tried multiple HDMI cables, 2 display devices (Epson TW1000 and Sony Bravia) and even tried changing region settings in the Eprom menu. Component seems to work with the resolution down at 480.

Any idea what could be the problem? From one other posting I have read, this is a very rare occurrence, but no one has been able to identify what the isue could be.

I would like to get this working, as the seller has been very cool in working through this with me.
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post #2555 of 2810
1/5/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by tryguy View Post

Hi all,

I bought a used BH200 off another forum user and receive the message "Signal not supported" whenever I use an HDMI connection. I have tried multiple HDMI cables, 2 display devices (Epson TW1000 and Sony Bravia) and even tried changing region settings in the Eprom menu. Component seems to work with the resolution down at 480.

Any idea what could be the problem? From one other posting I have read, this is a very rare occurrence, but no one has been able to identify what the isue could be.

I would like to get this working, as the seller has been very cool in working through this with me.

HDCP issue? Have you tried setting the HDMI from Auto to force the resolution (720p, 1080i, etc)? Have you reflashed the player's firmware?
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post #2556 of 2810
1/5/10 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by SKoprowski View Post

HDCP issue? Have you tried setting the HDMI from Auto to force the resolution (720p, 1080i, etc)? Have you reflashed the player's firmware?

Actually, I'd bet setting the resolution to Auto would fix it. The previous owner probably has the HDMI resolution set to 1080p/24 and his TVs can't support that. In the Video menu, set HDMI to Auto, Component to 1080i, and then down in the Other menu, set Film Mode to Off (disables the 24p output).
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post #2557 of 2810
1/5/10 at 1:19pm
Thanks to both of you for the suggestions, but I tried these solutions on both displays. I also used the system tools screen to ensure that my displays could handle the resolutions I was trying (I think its Option 3 in the System screen).

The only thing I can think of is (A) a bad HDMI port, which seems so unlikely, or (B) some kind of HDCP issue. I tried the hack that turns HDCP off, but it didnt seem to work.
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post #2558 of 2810
1/5/10 at 1:35pm
These players are very fussy and dont seem to like non-hdmi v1.3 HW.
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post #2559 of 2810
1/6/10 at 8:42am
It would be nice if LG would answer or even acknowledge my emails to customer service.
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post #2560 of 2810
1/6/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

I just tried it with no luck on the Echo Bridge blockbuster, "Salem Witch Trials". I get the quick message "Disc Error" and it is ejected after spinning for about a minute, no change from Disc Menu set to original. I haven't tried it with any of the other titles I couldn't get to load such as "Elvis Costello and the Imposters: Club Date Live in Memphis" but I expect no change. Whatever was causing the Disney problems was different than what causes most or all of the other problems.

The audio dropout problem is enough to convince me to set this LG player aside and only use a player that works properly, an Oppo. I am going to call LG, log a complaint about those two titles since it is possible nobody else has, again mention the audio dropout problem and wait to see what LG can do as far as providing fixes for the issues we are having. It would be nice if there was a comprehensive list of all known problem discs and all other problems and each of us sent an email including the list to LG. If the next firmware update is like this one, fixes some problems and creates new ones, basically a net of nothing, I would think we will be at the end of the line with the player. If the next firmware update fixes a lot without creating a new list of problems, then we can be encouraged.

So far firmware updates for this player have been like overcoming a caffeine addiction by smoking cigarettes and overcoming that by taking cocaine which was beaten by a methamphetamine addiction. You can't tell whether you are getting better or not but you are pretty sure you were better off with coffee.

Chris

For an experienced guy, you seem to be having intolerable problems. Are you usings the 1205 software update? gil
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post #2561 of 2810
1/6/10 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Gil Arroyo View Post

For an experienced guy, you seem to be having intolerable problems. Are you usings the 1205 software update? gil

Hey, the player is a lot better after the little Actionable Mango menu setting upgrade since I have most all of the recent Disney titles. I have a PS3 and other HD DVD players so I don't ever have to miss anything. I am using the most recent firmware update, the Profile 2.0 update inclusive firmware.

Chris
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post #2562 of 2810
1/10/10 at 10:51pm
Hey Gang!

Sorry to bother all of you with such a ridiculous request.... I've had this thing for 2 years. Purchased it brand new. A week ago it started talking forever (I know could it take any longer than normal I thought! LOL) to load BD's. Now it just gives me the ole "Disc Error"... I can although play standard DVD's and I have no HD-dvd's to test it. I took it out and put the drive in my PC and Windows 7 recognized it right away. Was still unable to play BD's on it (PC is custom built with ATI HD Radeon 5770/ HDCP Compliant and so is my 24" 1920 x 1080p Acer HD monitor).

So if someone could guide me as to any info on tracking one of these suckers down or something comparable, that will work in it, that would be greatly appreciated!

The Drive model number LG GGR-L20N and I believe is classified (Correct me if I'm wrong) as a Super Multi Blu-ray HD-DVD Rom Drive...

Thanks in advance fellas!

Andrew C.
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post #2563 of 2810
1/11/10 at 3:00am
Before replacing the drive try cleaning the laser lenses. Get a normal, cheap CD/DVD head cleaning disc and then try it *WITHOUT* any liquids. Even if the instructions say to use a liquid it can damage plastic (as opposed to glass) lenses.

This has "fixed" my SACD and DVD issues on my Denon 3930 a few times over the years.
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post #2564 of 2810
1/11/10 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by Peter Galbavy View Post

Before replacing the drive try cleaning the laser lenses. Get a normal, cheap CD/DVD head cleaning disc and then try it *WITHOUT* any liquids. Even if the instructions say to use a liquid it can damage plastic (as opposed to glass) lenses.

This has "fixed" my SACD and DVD issues on my Denon 3930 a few times over the years.

Ah nice! I wil will have to try that. It was in the path of an air filter that didn't always get cleaned right on schedule...

From what I've found through reserch though is that this model has had wuite a few users that have had the same issue. Even with the LG BD300, on another thread inthis forum, many users are having this issue and LG has issued a service repair for that model...

It would be nice if they did the same for this one! Then we all could get new Drives and Not have to worry about it.

I will try that and get back to you on it! Thanks for the suggestion though!

EDIT: Okay I tried cleaning the Lense (both) and unfortunately it had no affect. I even tried unplugging a few of the ribon wire sets and plugging them back in to ensure the best connection and still got the "Disc Error"... I looked at the PCB and a few other components inside and everything looks fine. I know that doesn't mean that nothing is wrong but how in the world does something just Stop Working..... I'm just venting so sorry...

If anyone could help me find a new (or used) drive or completely compatable alternative drive for this unit I would be grateful!

Thanks!

EDIT #2: I really don't understand this. What I did today was take the drive out, Took off the Top portion of the Shell and reconnected it to the player (Power off of course) and took the Stablizing magenet out of the top. I then plugged in the player, turned the pwr on and oen the tray. Put a "previously working Blu-Ray disc in the tray and the magenet on top to simulate proper working conditions. Closed the tray and casted a shawdow over the Disc to see if it even had working lasers... BOTH of the laser work and Blu-ray laser gets focused on the Disc BUT spins up a total of 2 times and Shows the "Disc Error" Messege...

I really don't understand why It's not working if the tray is spinnnign correctly and the Lense ends up focused and positioned correctly to read the disc data.... It's very mind boggling! It seems that no one really knows to much about the mechanics of the Blu-ray player anywhere else.

How do things actually work inside? Could I possibly just find another Player with the Same Version of Blu-ray Laser and install only the Mechanical Laser? Or do these symptoms point more directly at the pCB Mainboard inside the drive? Maybe that way the player itself wouldn't have any issues detecting the drive all together, ultimately getting ride of the "Disc Error" issue.
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post #2565 of 2810
1/13/10 at 9:48am
Who knows? It could be a bad connection on any number of solder spots, a defective or failed part, heat damage, optical misalignment, static damage, power spike damage, tin whiskers...

Probably your best bet at this point is getting another one on Ebay. Or, if you don't need the multiregion/PAL stuff, you're probably even better off getting two standalone devices: a Toshiba HD player and a modern BD player.
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post #2566 of 2810
1/13/10 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

Who knows? It could be a bad connection on any number of solder spots, a defective or failed part, heat damage, optical misalignment, static damage, power spike damage, tin whiskers...

Probably your best bet at this point is getting another one on Ebay. Or, if you don't need the multiregion/PAL stuff, you're probably even better off getting two standalone devices: a Toshiba HD player and a modern BD player.

Ah, I don't even need the HD-DVD part... I was just trying to fix the thing so I could get it sold and put the money towards a new one with the nEtflix stuff being that we already have an account...

I took the Blu-Ray Drive out and installed it fine in my HDCP Compliant computer that I built Windows 7 x16bit had the driver for it and everything. It played standard DVD's fine but whenI put in a Blu-Ray disc, it just plain didn't even detect it. So I think that it's safe to assume that it's the Drive and Not the rest of the BH200. Especially being that others have had the same issue with the drive going bad on this Model....

What does heat damage normally do to a Blu-Ray drive? Any specific? Could I just get a new lasr module or would the Main board in the drive itself have gone bad first?

Thanks!
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post #2567 of 2810
1/13/10 at 10:51am
First off, you're going to have VERY slim odds of finding the drive. I've only seen one listing for it in the past 5 months on ebay, and there are no listings anywhere else for it that I can find.

As for a compatible drive, again, this isn't going to work. I've read people trying other models, and they are not read by the LG BH200.

Next, you could buy a damaged BH200, and pull the drive, but you're going to spend ~$75 for one, and you don't know if you will have a working drive.

I bet you already know more about the disk drive than 99% of the owners of this device, so good luck playing with it to get it to work. But, how much time and money are you going to spend trying to get a working drive? You'd basically have to buy a working LG BH200, as you're not going to find the drive, and go individual piece by piece within the drive of the working LG BH200 to find out what the faulty item is. If there's only one. And you have to hope that you don't damage the working drive. Then, when you narrow down that item, what are you going to do? Buy a laser from a working LG Blu-ray device? You'll spend ~$100 on that, and hope that the one part is compatible with the BH200's. I can understand tinkering, and if that's what this is, more power to you! But there's not an easy fix out there anywhere, especially on a device that hasn't been built for almost two years now. Hey, at least your device still powers up and you can have the cool light display!!!

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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

Ah nice! I wil will have to try that. It was in the path of an air filter that didn't always get cleaned right on schedule...

From what I've found through reserch though is that this model has had wuite a few users that have had the same issue. Even with the LG BD300, on another thread inthis forum, many users are having this issue and LG has issued a service repair for that model...

It would be nice if they did the same for this one! Then we all could get new Drives and Not have to worry about it.

I will try that and get back to you on it! Thanks for the suggestion though!

EDIT: Okay I tried cleaning the Lense (both) and unfortunately it had no affect. I even tried unplugging a few of the ribon wire sets and plugging them back in to ensure the best connection and still got the "Disc Error"... I looked at the PCB and a few other components inside and everything looks fine. I know that doesn't mean that nothing is wrong but how in the world does something just Stop Working..... I'm just venting so sorry...

If anyone could help me find a new (or used) drive or completely compatable alternative drive for this unit I would be grateful!

Thanks!

EDIT #2: I really don't understand this. What I did today was take the drive out, Took off the Top portion of the Shell and reconnected it to the player (Power off of course) and took the Stablizing magenet out of the top. I then plugged in the player, turned the pwr on and oen the tray. Put a "previously working Blu-Ray disc in the tray and the magenet on top to simulate proper working conditions. Closed the tray and casted a shawdow over the Disc to see if it even had working lasers... BOTH of the laser work and Blu-ray laser gets focused on the Disc BUT spins up a total of 2 times and Shows the "Disc Error" Messege...

I really don't understand why It's not working if the tray is spinnnign correctly and the Lense ends up focused and positioned correctly to read the disc data.... It's very mind boggling! It seems that no one really knows to much about the mechanics of the Blu-ray player anywhere else.

How do things actually work inside? Could I possibly just find another Player with the Same Version of Blu-ray Laser and install only the Mechanical Laser? Or do these symptoms point more directly at the pCB Mainboard inside the drive? Maybe that way the player itself wouldn't have any issues detecting the drive all together, ultimately getting ride of the "Disc Error" issue.
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post #2568 of 2810
1/13/10 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by joeags View Post

First off, you're going to have VERY slim odds of finding the drive. I've only seen one listing for it in the past 5 months on ebay, and there are no listings anywhere else for it that I can find.

As for a compatible drive, again, this isn't going to work. I've read people trying other models, and they are not read by the LG BH200.

Next, you could buy a damaged BH200, and pull the drive, but you're going to spend ~$75 for one, and you don't know if you will have a working drive.

I bet you already know more about the disk drive than 99% of the owners of this device, so good luck ........

This is true... I guess it's more tinkering than anything now. I have a Pioneer BDP-320 on the way, that will arrive on Friday... I figure that the Pioneer will have a slightly better picture and features to tweak it, longer life as well and less of a hard time finding parts for it after it's not in production and out of warrantee. The netflix deal wasn't logical being that you can't stream 1080p movies yet and I have an XBox360 if I want to stream movies...

So I guess if over time I can somehow find an alternative drive that may work (I popped in the DVD Burner from my PC and it was detected by froze just before the menu screen) with this unit I'll shine her up and give someone a good deal on her. If I can't, maybe I'll just give it to someone that doesn't have a DVD player , becasue it plays regular DVD's and they look great!

Believe it or not I have found a few companies that have this Drive... BUT, there is NOW WAY on earth or any other that I'm going to pay $575, $763 or$801 for a drive for this unit. There has to be a way to get a new one to work. I want to exhaust all my options on finding the same drive before I attemp to match a different one to it.
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post #2569 of 2810
1/14/10 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

Believe it or not I have found a few companies that have this Drive... BUT, there is NOW WAY on earth or any other that I'm going to pay $575, $763 or$801 for a drive for this unit.

Wow, those prices are almost criminal. And who would pay it when you can get a whole unit for $200?
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post #2570 of 2810
1/14/10 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

Wow, those prices are almost criminal. And who would pay it when you can get a whole unit for $200?

I KNOW!~!!!!! THAT's EXACTLY what I said to the guy... And of course, NO RESPONSE.... GO figure... I think that they are Criminal prices. It's called Preditory Capitalization!!!
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post #2571 of 2810
1/15/10 at 1:42pm
Mastiffman, have you tried to install the drive in a PC? That will at least tell you if it's the loader itself or the mainboard. It sounds like the drive trys, the other think is maybe the bluray has lost focus. The odds of that are very slim, but stranger things have happened I'm sure. Since you got it open, and you went further than most would check aroudn the board that powers the laser for any screw pots. I'm not saying to play with those, but sometimes you can get focus back with that. But, I'd check for a tech doc that describes the parts before twisting anything. I'd also mark the parts before you start twisting to make sure you can "reset" anything you move by realiging the mark you made.
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post #2572 of 2810
1/15/10 at 3:20pm
Well if you're SURE its the drive, you can buy a non working BH200 on Ebay for less than $100 and pull the drive. Just make sure its non working for a different reason, like bad power supply or main board or whatever.
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post #2573 of 2810
1/15/10 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

Wow, those prices are almost criminal. And who would pay it when you can get a whole unit for $200?

I have an LGBH200 on the classified section of AVS for sale.....I need money and am looking for a best offer if anyones interested....I dont think I am breaking any rules posting this as it is in the classified section...
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post #2574 of 2810
1/15/10 at 7:53pm
Any one want the service manual i added it to my idisc, cost me 20 bucks but if anyone can get some use out of it and share the repairs they did on this thread it is worth it.

So thats the rule you use it to fix something, share it with the forum.

BH 200 Service manual and schematics

Athanasios
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post #2575 of 2810
1/15/10 at 9:30pm
First off, thanks for the file. I'm not somebody that would get a ton of use out of this, but it's nice to have the part schematics to walk through parts when mine dies and I play with the sucker.

One big one I noticed is that it appears that when the player gets stuck at "Please Wait," it may not be the main board but the timer board. Of course, I doubt that you could get parts, but it would be cheaper!

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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

Any one want the service manual i added it to my idisc, cost me 20 bucks but if anyone can get some use out of it and share the repairs they did on this thread it is worth it.

So thats the rule you use it to fix something, share it with the forum.

Athanasios
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post #2576 of 2810
1/15/10 at 9:37pm
I should start a new thread for this so it doesn't get lost.

Athanasios
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post #2577 of 2810
1/16/10 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Jeff D View Post

Mastiffman, have you tried to install the drive in a PC? That will at least tell you if it's the loader itself or the mainboard. It sounds like the drive trys, the other think is maybe the bluray has lost focus...............

I actualy did install it into my HDCP Compliant PC. It's all high-def on a 24" monitor and Nothin'!!! I was really hoping that it was just the mainboard so i could simply use my PC... Oh well. While I had it open, I took the lid off of the Loader and the Stablizer Magnet out of the lid and placed a BD on the tray. I plugged everything in and pressed play and it did the same thing. I saw the Blu laser though and it does end up focusing, but it's like it can't find data or is frozen at that spot that focused on... SO it's the Drive for sure. An ebay seller (One of the many that i bugged about this, LOL) mentioned that the reason an alternate drive BD/HD drive may not work is because the mainboard might be matched/ married to the Drive...

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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

Well if you're SURE its the drive, you can buy a non working BH200 on Ebay for less than $100 and pull the drive. Just make sure its non working for a different reason, like bad power supply or main board or whatever.

Yeah, LOL. Good luck on finding a BH200 that works, that someone wants to sell for a reasonable price. I found a seller on ebay with a LG BH100 a best offer option and starting price of $225. I worked him down to $140... But I still don't know if I want to spend that money. I already have received the PIONEER BDP-320 that I ordered after all of this but if I got the BH100, I could pop the drive in the BH200 and resell that for more than the working, used BH100 and give the BH100 to a fmaily member that could use it to watch DVD's on. They would look at little better at least. MY Father has a HD TV...

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Originally Posted by deez View Post

I have an LGBH200 on the classified section of AVS for sale.....I need money and am looking for a best offer if anyones interested....I dont think I am breaking any rules posting this as it is in the classified section...

Link? Or PM me? or I could, you! I may know someone, if I don't want it!

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Originally Posted by nashou66 View Post

Any one want the service manual i added it to my idisc, cost me 20 bucks but if anyone can get some use out of it and share the repairs they did on this thread it is worth it.

So thats the rule you use it to fix something, share it with the forum.

BH 200 Service manual and schematics

Athanasios

Hey that thing is AWESOME!!!! Thanks for the file. I wish that it Only something that I could solder or a cap I could replace. That would be MUCH easier than trying to find one of these Darn Drives!

TO EVERYONE:

Sorry for the Long Reply!!!
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post #2578 of 2810
1/16/10 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

Yeah, LOL. Good luck on finding a BH200 that works, that someone wants to sell for a reasonable price. I found a seller on ebay with a LG BH100 a best offer option and starting price of $225. I worked him down to $140... But I still don't know if I want to spend that money. I already have received the PIONEER BDP-320 that I ordered after all of this but if I got the BH100, I could pop the drive in the BH200 and resell that for more than the working, used BH100 and give the BH100 to a fmaily member that could use it to watch DVD's on.

I can't remember where, but I did read that somebody tried to use the BH100 drive in a BH200, and it did not work. I also know somebody tried the GGC-H20L and that did not work either. I'm 99.9% sure you're going to have to find the matching drive, but if you want to take a chance, realize you probably would be having a BH100 and not BH200 working...
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post #2579 of 2810
1/16/10 at 7:51pm
I keep havingTroubles with Blu rays with the June 2009 firmware. The movies won't load. I tried the fix I read for settings to English, however i have had to return to the March 2009 release for Inglorius Basterds, Ice Age 3 to play. Kinda frustrating. I have never had any trouble with any of the 50+ HD Dvd's
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1/16/10 at 8:07pm
Ice Age 3 gets hung up with the online update with the June 2009 firmware, so remove the memory stick before you put IA3 in - it will give you a warning, and you can either put it back in at that point, or just keep it out.

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I keep havingTroubles with Blu rays with the June 2009 firmware. The movies won't load. I tried the fix I read for settings to English, however i have had to return to the March 2009 release for Inglorius Basterds, Ice Age 3 to play. Kinda frustrating. I have never had any trouble with any of the 50+ HD Dvd's
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