LG BH200: Mini-FAQ + Firmware Info (TrueHD 7.1, DTS-HD, 24p) + SD DVD Multiregion! - Page 12

It is connected to a projector (throug the Denon) but it is worth the try, will do tonight and report back!

What I mean is check the configuration of your Denon receiver. I know most HDMI receivers have that configuration (which is useless IMO).

Understand that, i will look through the denon menues and see what we have....

That is the first thing I thought. So I checked the Denon settings, no luck. I tried the receiver with the display disconnected, no luck. I tried some suggestions from the manual such as setting SPDIF to stereo when using Multi-channel PCM, no luck. I just think there is some incompatibility with certain Denon models.

No luck here either....

I still think there should be a "disclaimer" in the first post until a new firm is released :- )

Hey, you're right. I just tested the Touareg scene with a BH200/Onkyo 605 on Bitstream, and the sound does sound weird at the smashes. It's like the sound drops out altogether for a split-second, and then comes back with less impact than you'd expect.

Between that, the DTS-MA bitstream bomb and the secondary audio I think I'll leave the BH200 to decode to multi-channel PCM from now on. (DTS core at 1.5 Mbps should be enough.)

The thing about a bitstream is either all or nothing... it's not audio but a string of data.. the data cannot be manipulated to change the audio content inside of the stream..

I'll have to listen to that scene on my combo (LG/Denon)...

Just stating that not sure that all recivers can resive multi channel PCM (both staight from disc and internally decoded tracks) from the March firm and that this is conformed on Denon 4306 by two members.

This wouldn't have anything to do with DRC (Dynamic range compression) being enabled either in the player or the amp (or both) would it?

What you're describing sounds like compression squashing the sound and when you say it comes back with less impact, it sounds like it's pumping (a compression related term).

peterjcat, I'm glad someone else finally took a look! It was the first disc I tested, so I assumed I had a receiver that needed a firmware update, but after putting in many other discs, no such problem.

As for the bitstream bomb, my post here, highlights my experiences updating the 605 firmware. It was a truly painless experience and if you're interested in trying it, I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you might have, as it has completely cured the bitstream bomb issue.


FilmMixer, this is a logical and understandable chain of thought. It would seem then, that the disc is faulty. I look forward to hearing the results you have with the Denon, although it will probably be a similar experience.


stpat, before reporting this issue, earlier on in this thread, I took care to be sure that DRC wasn't enabled. The audible effect is quite a bit more pronounced than any properly functioning DRC would produce.

Yep, it is a question of receiver. Not all HDMI 1.1 Receivers are capable accepting LPCM-signals. The Denon 4306 is capable of handling LPCM. I know for sure, because I had one, before I upgraded to the newer 4308.

I switched my PS3 to LPCM-output when hooked to my Denon 4306.

Cheers
AlfaGT

On the other side: When the 4306 not accepts LPCM from the LG but does from a Playstation, then perhaps it could be a LG problem

Have to totally agree here too. I never have had a 605 issue until the other day when I put on the new ALIENS VS PREDATOR-REQUIEM disc. 12 minutes in and BOOM during a quiet scene where two people were talking. Hadn't experienced it on any other disc on my 605, so I figured it was time to try the firmware update.

It's VERY EASY and you'll end up spending more time putting your settings back to where they were (write 'em down!) than it takes to burn the CD and run the update. Best of all, I re-ran the same scene with the problem and it's gone. Definitely worth it.

So, another "Candygram for Mongo"...

First report of this disc having the BSB, another new release.

You should post that in the BSB thread so Shamus can add it to the list.

There was a bloke on the BSB thread, apparently from DTS, saying that it wasn't a DTS problem, there was no patch and no upgrade at their end, just a problem with the chips used in the affected receivers. Has this been superseded?

Anyway I thought we all just had to upgrade our receivers. Thanks Guste, I'm in Australia so I'll go see if anyone here has implemented that version of the firmware without any issues. I imagine it'll be fine.

The weird thing about the Bourne Ultimatum TrueHD is that it plays fine when the BH200 is doing the decoding, which makes it sound less like a bad encode. Maybe the 605 isn't decoding it right? Maybe it's like a reverse BSB -- the Bitstream Black Hole?

Or maybe it's the placebo effect again, all bitstreams seem to be plagued by that one

I think that LPCM has been part of the HDMI spec from the beginning, so any receiver that advertises itself as HDMI capable should be capable of accepting LPCM.

From the reports here it seems that there are some earlier HDMI receivers that can usually accept LPCM but not from the BH200 so I think that could be a firmware issue.

Probably, as suggested earlier and referred to in the manual, there's an issue with the EDID that the receiver is transmitting to set out its capabilities to the player.

The PS3 tends to ignore EDID and ask the user what the setup is capable of, which is very handy -- it would be great if the BH200 had the option to "force" multi-channel LPCM, 1080p24 etc even when the EDID seems to contradict it.

I was told by one user here that his Sony HDMI receiver only supports 2-channel LPCM, not 5.1 or 7.1 LPCM. So, not all receivers support multi-channel LPCM. This is indeed part of EDID info the receiver passes back to player.

Titles get encoded months before they street... so I don't think it's a matter of DTS not doing what they said or Fox being cheap

My bad, I should not have speculated at their expense. Point taken and offending comments removed.

It's good that you italicized "should" because that is the key word.

LPCM has been in the HDMI spec from day one, but it is up to CEs to decide how to implement it. There are many HDMI receivers and Pre-Pros equiped with HDMI that can't address PCM. There are many others that can accept the PCM, but can't apply audio processing to the PCM signal; so if you get 5.1 PCM it remains 5.1 PCM because your receiver can't apply Dolby Pro-Logic IIx or DTS EX to up-mix the signal to 6.1 or 7.1.

For more details check the Future-Proof Receiver Thread in the audio section here at AVS.

CE's can get away with calling them HDMI receivers because they label them as "HDMI Switching" receivers. That sounds bad until you realize these same companies have been selling everyone on the greatness bit-streaming HD audio for the last year. As if there is some advantage to be had from letting your receiver decode dts-HD MA or TrueHD instead of your HDM (High-Definition Media; HD DVD, Blu-ray) Player. The decode is the same regardless of where it takes place. If it was somehow different in one piece of equipment that equipment could not brandish the TrueHD or dts-HD moniker.

It's a freaking decoding algorithm and it must always produce a PCM stream that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master; anything less is false advertising. Truth be told bit-streaming audio to be decoded by your receiver is INFERIOR to letting the player do and it always will be. Why? Because the Player can mix-in secondary audio (menu sounds commentary, et al) and the receiver can not.

So why sell HDMI Switching Receivers and HDM Players that bit-stream some audio formats instead of decoding them? To sell you a new HDM Player and Receiver next year when you realize you've been duped. That's why the AVS Forum is your friend; if you perform your research here and pay attention you can SAVE a bunch of cash and end up a much happier enthusiast.

Good points all. As above I've gone back to letting the BH200 do the decoding, even though it means DTS-MA core only, following many interesting discussions here on the AVS Forums (FilmMixer has been especially useful).

I am getting the split-second drop out of sound with BU using bitsream on the 200, sound seems to go back to its former intensity though. I have a Denon 988.

The Denon accepts LPCM from Toshiba hd-dvd players, Panasonic 1 gen BR player also. I.E. in my eyes mostly a LG problem

Hi,

do you guys think there is a chance that there will be a (maybe hacked) firmware to the BH200 to make it play PAL DVDs ?

Apperently the BH200 is available in Switzerland and I assume that the difference between the US and European version isnt much more than firmware, power input and price.

thanks

I just wanted to point out that number 10 in the "fix" list appears to be incorrectly stated. The line states that the TrueHD audio is output over SPDIF as "2 Channel," but the two links it references indicate that the audio is "5.1 Channel," not "2 Channel."

This is an EXTREMELY important distinction for SPDIF users.

On a related note, it believe it should read "output" rather than "outputted."

Thanks,

Larry

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post13445567

Just to follow through on this I've experienced the same issue when using DTS Re-Encode through optical. Half of the time I will only get rear channel information -- no dialogue -- unless I cycle through my receiver's audio inputs. When I go back to the setting the DTS sound is working properly again. Hopefully this could be fixed in the next firmware.

Thanks for the pointer.

Unfortunately that only provides a code-free for the DVD part, but it still doesnt allow PAL DVD playback on US players :-(