AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Dual Format Players › LG BH200: Mini-FAQ + Firmware Info (TrueHD 7.1, DTS-HD, 24p) + SD DVD Multiregion!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

LG BH200: Mini-FAQ + Firmware Info (TrueHD 7.1, DTS-HD, 24p) + SD DVD Multiregion! - Page 27

post #781 of 2810
Wow, ordered my second BH200 from Crutchfield yesterday and it shipped... glad I did!
post #782 of 2810
I read the mini-FAQ and I still have two questions:

I recently order a new BH200 from crutchfield, if I connect this new bh200 to internet and update the firmware, does it work or do I need to make a firmware update using CD/USB to enable ethernet updates?

if the update using ethernet works just opened, does it update to the 2008-04-02 firmware??

Thanks in advance.
post #783 of 2810
Most likely, it'll have the 701 firmware and u'll have to update it to 702 before the network is enabled for firmware update through network? I'm not sure if it's the firmware or the driver that enables network updates.
post #784 of 2810
Thread Starter 
It depends what firmware you have installed, in relation to what can be updated over Ethernet:

* March Firmware will upgrade both the driver to 0702 and firmware to the April firmware. The April firmware will do the same but obviously you already have the latest firmware. I don't think "anyone" has actually been able to upgrade March to April firmware over ethernet though, it may come later.
* November and January firmware will only upgrade the driver to 0702.

Both firmware and driver upgrades can be done manually, meaning you can ignore the ethernet upgrade if you wish.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pobff View Post

Most likely, it'll have the 701 firmware and u'll have to update it to 702 before the network is enabled for firmware update through network?

Incorrect . The respective change logs say:

* April Firmware: Firmware update via Network has been enabled - Driver update was already there
* 0702 Driver: Fixes issues with Saw IV, Hitman and Enchanted on Blu-ray

As I understand it that's all the 0702 driver adds over the 0701 driver. I asked the LG Engineer what prior driver upgrades brought but they didn't know. The March firmware Change Log is identical to the April firmware (it's now official).

Quote:
I'm not sure if it's the firmware or the driver that enables network updates.

It's the firmware.

The driver is an upgrade for the physical drive itself (where you put the disc). It doesn't control the rest of the Player.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dransquo View Post

If I connect this new bh200 to internet and update the firmware, does it work or do I need to make a firmware update using CD/USB to enable ethernet updates?

When you get your BH200 check what firmware/driver is installed (instructions in the Mini-FAQ), and if they're older than the April firmware I'd first install that, then either:

1. Check for updates to bring in the 0702 driver
2. Then install the 0702 driver manually

It's likely your BH200 will have the November or January firmware preloaded. It could have the April firmware but I'd be surprised, considering the March firmware is Beta it won't have that.

Personally I plan to upgrade both by CD-RW or USB Stick but that's just my personal preference. I already have the files so it's just simpler to install them manually.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dransquo View Post

if the update using ethernet works just opened, does it update to the 2008-04-02 firmware??

Yes if it happens to have the March firmware preloaded but that's very unlikely so in reality no.
post #785 of 2810
Nice to know u can change region manually, but a little "risky" to do on a regular basis. hopfully someone finds a "region X" setting soon.
post #786 of 2810
I found another pretty good deal for the BH200...almost, but not quite, as good as the Crutchfield deal. Anyway, Circuit City has the BH200 on sale for $499 here, then visit this site and click through to get an additional 7% off. The discount will appear in Step 3 of the checkout process (before your order is finalized).
post #787 of 2810
The circuit city link doesnt work.
post #788 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LG BH200 owner View Post

Nice to know u can change region manually, but a little "risky" to do on a regular basis.

It is a wee bit risky but right now we have no choice. Thankfully many BDs are Region Free and most users will have a mixture of Region Free plus Specifically Region A, B or C BDs.

I imagine most users will only have a handful of BDs not from their country and also Region Locked.

In my case I intend to own a mixture of Region Free and Region A BDs, with maybe the odd Region B BD. There aren't many Region B Exclusive BDs which are worth owning, in my experience anyway.

I intend to leave my BH200 on Region A (but buy it from Europe) and occasionally switch it to Region B. With that in mind I don't think it's a big deal to switch it every now and again. I can then switch it back afterwards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pobff View Post

The circuit city link doesnt work.

It works for me, although here's a direct link to the product:

http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/...oductDetail.do

Or do you mean the discount link? That doesn't work for me. The link in Schwa's post works but the discount link inside that doesn't work, it just says "Page cannot be display".
post #789 of 2810
Quote:
Originally Posted by pobff View Post

The circuit city link doesnt work.

Well, it works for me. Another way to get there is to click on the second link, click through to the Circuit City website, then search CircuitCity.com for "BH200".
post #790 of 2810
Well I have tried numerous times to download Region Management Test Mode hack every time I get the main zip downloaded when I unzip it contains the main folder RMTM000, instr., and the sample pic, but when I click on properties to check the file it says 0. What am I going wrong I have tried both links. The other link just download the main file but again its empty. Can any one help? Thanks Tom
post #791 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Inside the ZIP file on Megaupload you will see a second zip file called: codefree LG BH200.zip. This ZIP file should be: 5,460 bytes and the file inside it you should see is kpjc19_1.dvd, sized 5,242,884 bytes. Is that what you see? You can check the size in Bytes by right clicking on them using Windows Explorer and clicking Properties.

The other link (provided in Julio's separate thread) downloads LG BH200.zip directly, without another ZIP file around it. I wanted to include other files too but didn't want to alter Julio's file so put a zip file inside a zip file.

When you extract it do you have a folder called? - RMTM0000 and inside that? - Scarlet and inside that? - kpjc19_1.dvd.

If you do and pjc19_1.dvd is 0 Bytes then there is something wrong with the file and I'd download it again. You should get an error when extracting the file if it's 0 Bytes. If you've downloaded it before already I'd empty your: Cookies/Cache and restart your PC + Modem/Router. You could be downloading a cached ZIP file that is corrupt.
post #792 of 2810
Ok got it, the first cd was a bad burn, what confused me was that the first file said zero but kpjc19_1.dvd was right, so when the first disc didn't take I figured there was something missing in the files, I just reburned and Viola! it works great. I just got the player today and did all the firmware, driver and hack update I love this player, I have the PS3 (wont bitstream), and the Sammy 5000 which I found useless unless they release an update. But this Player does it all and can play my region 1,2,3, and 4 discs too. Thanks bradavon for your quick response and help. Tom
post #793 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Cool. You didn't say it was zero bytes on the CD
post #794 of 2810
Quote:
Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

It depends what firmware you have installed, in relation to what can be updated over Ethernet:

* March Firmware will upgrade both the driver to 0702 and firmware to the April firmware. The April firmware will do the same but obviously you already have the latest firmware. I don't think "anyone" has actually been able to upgrade March to April firmware over ethernet though, it may come later.
* November and January firmware will only upgrade the driver to 0702.

I did the network update over ethernet from the March to April version. It took a few days after the April version had been out before it showed up as available on the update screen however.
post #795 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Cool, thanks for letting us know Badwilly. I guess it does work then, provided you have the March firmware.
post #796 of 2810
thank you bradvon, badwilly and pobf, I expect my bh200 to arrive next May 30-31
post #797 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Added to Mini-FAQ/First Post:

* Should I install the Firmware or Driver first?

The order isn't important.

* I cannot see Network Update under OTHERS?

Network Update is disabled by default on models sold outside of The Americas. Please see the section: "Is it possible to switch between Blu-ray Regions A, B or C?" above.

* Can the Ethernet port upgrade both the Firmware and Driver?

Yes, depending on the firmware currently installed:

* Pre-March (November/January) Firmware: Driver Upgrades only
* March, April and Newer Firmware: Driver and Firmware Upgrades
post #798 of 2810
I've had the SuperBlu hooked up for a week now and I think it's great!
I like the cool sounds, the light show it provides on start-up, the FW and driver updates went quick and flawless.

It's played everything I've stuck in it (HD, BD, STD and DVD+R) with no problems except one: When using the 'disk enabled' zoom feature on The Matrix HD DVD, it froze twice and had to press the 'Home' button to escape. I don't have much of a problem with this personally.

I like how you can step frame by frame. I couldn't see how to get my Tosh A30 to do that.

I think I got the last sealed boxed unit from FS in my area. They are now selling the display model for $399. They don't sell display models unless they know they are not receiving anymore stock! I'm glad I got it when I did! 3 free BD came with mine at $499.

I also have 2 UP5000's. I got the first one at the same time as the BH200 and set them up side by side and attached them to my system. I am set up as follows:

TV:Samsung LN-T4069F
Receiver:Yamaha YSP-900 Sound Bar (DTS, DD 5.1, etc.)
Video to TV:HDMI
Audio to Receiver: Optical (SPDIF)

I sampled The Matrix: Reloaded in 3 formats (HD, STD and burnt on DVD+R) in both machines. The PQ on both the BH200 and UP5K were great with no real discernible differences to my eye (which is what counts in my house)!
The sound was great on both also accept, of course, when I tried to force TrueHD on the disk menu, the LG accepted it no problem (re-encode to DTS) but the Sammy popped up a screen that said something like "your machine cannot decode this option..."
I also sampled Die Hard 4 (BD) on both machines with the same results as above.

I chose to keep the LG hooked up to the system for now because of its ability to re-encode the TrueHD track to DTS, its cool light display, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE IT WAS QUIETER THAN THE UP5K. The Sammy had a louder fan and the moving parts inside were noticeably noiser than the LG. Also, for some reason the Sammy froze up when trying to upgrade FW from CD. I had to shut down the unit and it then upgraded through Ethernet OK but took about 35 minutes to complete.

In summary, I feel that I am set with keeping my collection of movies active on any TV in the house using only 1 player at a time (especially after we get the FW update from Sammy). I wanted a combo player ever since the were first made available but not for what they originally cost! Now I have 3 machines for the price of 1.

Thank you all for your comments in this forum as it has helped me a lot!

Regards,

DetectiveJ
post #799 of 2810
Question for anyone. If I purchase a Region B locked title and the Amazon page lists it as PAL. Does PAL even come into play with BD media, I know it would with SDs.
post #800 of 2810
As far as I know NTSC and PAL are a non-issue with high definition media. It uses 1080 horizontal lines of resolution in all countries.
post #801 of 2810
Yeah, don't worry about Amazon, it often doesn't know what it's talking about with HD (eg it lists Blu-rays as Region 1).
post #802 of 2810
Then Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill Vol. 1 @ 2 will look damn good on my machine this fall from Amazon.uk. Thanks guy!!
post #803 of 2810
At most PAL *might* affect SD extras on BD or HD DVD. I don't have a Region B BD though so I can't confirm. Other in here can clarify I'm sure (TIA).

Main point is, anything HD on either BD or HD DVD disc is completely free from PAL/NTSC differences (well, in theory anyway...like I said...no BD to actually verify ).
post #804 of 2810
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilblue View Post

At most PAL *might* affect SD extras on BD or HD DVD. I don't have a Region B BD though so I can't confirm. Other in here can clarify I'm sure (TIA).

Main point is, anything HD on either BD or HD DVD disc is completely free from PAL/NTSC differences (well, in theory anyway...like I said...no BD to actually verify ).


That is not entirely true. USA is 720P/60 only and UK players generally support 720P/50 as well as 720P/60. I cant think of anything but test patterns that use 720P/50 yet but I suspect they will come eventually. 720P/60 discs are very rare.

Much more common are 1080I/50 discs that most USA players cant play. UK BDs from EIV generally use this format. The format is used by European HD broadcasters because they need to synch HD broadcasts with existing PAL SD broadcasts.
post #805 of 2810
Thanks for clarifying Krobar. So that means 1080p is the only source material safe from regional broadcast standards?
post #806 of 2810
Just updated my player to the latest driver version over ethernet. I had done the firmware update by CDROM a while back. Time to go test this puppy again with the movies I have. I have been quite impressed so far.

I need to borrow some BD's from a friend so I can compare PQ to my PS3. I think blacks might look better on the PS3, but I need to run both players at the same time to decide.

All in all though, eliminating the HEAT and the NOISE of the PS3 for BD playback, and eliminating a second player for HDDVD playback has made this player a very worthwhile investment.... Especially considering I paid $53 for a Tosh XA2 which I sold for $450, and replaced for $399 with this player.
post #807 of 2810
One more thing on the to-do list. I have an Integra 9.8, and I did get some popping on Golden Compass when Bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. I think that can be rectified with a firmware update to the Integra.

Once that is done, I will really be able to sit down and spend some quality time with this player!
post #808 of 2810
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSholtis View Post

Question for anyone. If I purchase a Region B locked title and the Amazon page lists it as PAL. Does PAL even come into play with BD media, I know it would with SDs.

PAL and NTSC only affect SD content not HD content (PAL/NTSC are SD standards). That said most SD extras are in NTSC, even in PAL countries, because NTSC and HD both run at the correct speed. Whereas PAL is sped up by 4%.

I say mostly because some non-International studios do use SD PAL extras on European BDs. If it's a company like Fox for example they'll be in NTSC. As Peter says Amazon are probably talking bollocks though, they don't have a clue. At worst though it just means the extras won't work. The film certainly won't be in PAL.

If your TV supports PAL you'll need to enable PAL on a North American model for PAL SD extras to work. I imagine you'll get an error otherwise and will be put back on the menu.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

UK BDs from EIV generally use this format.

Good point. I forgot about EIV. Their discs suck and are to be avoided, thankfully they only distribute in The UK. I don't know of any other studio that uses 1080i/50Hz.

Neither Kill Bill or Pulp Fiction are EIV titles, they're Disney like America. I'd be surprised if Disney don't release them in America too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by oilblue View Post

So that means 1080p is the only source material safe from regional broadcast standards?

1080p in theory can be 50Hz or 60Hz but AFAIK the vast majority of HD discs are 1080p/24Hz (in any country), so it's not an issue. In short avoid the UK EIV (Entertainment in Video) discs and you should be fine.

Presuming of course your TV cannot handle PAL (not literally but due to PAL also being 50Hz), like many EIV BDs which are 1080i/50Hz. If your TV can handle PAL this should be a moot point. EIV are a sloppy company who don't create proper HD Masters. They even use the same DTS/DD5.1 from their DVDs on most of their BDs too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

USA is 720P/60 only and UK players generally support 720P/50 as well as 720P/60. I cant think of anything but test patterns that use 720P/50 yet but I suspect they will come eventually. 720P/60 discs are very rare.

What disc are 720p? Let alone 720p/50Hz or 720p/60Hz.
post #809 of 2810
Yeah I figured Id be safe and Import those 3 from Amazon UK just in case us in the US don't get our releases till 2009 at least I'll have them. I'll get a chance to try out the hack real soon though (possibly) as I've pre-ordered the new Stones BD from Amazon France. I know about European SDs and PAL as I own one HD DVD which is the German Import of the movie Crank with has the bonus so called "FU" disk in PAL SD.
post #810 of 2810
Thread Starter 
FU, As in **** You? That's a bit strong . I can appreciate why studios would re-use a SD DVD, if the extras are going to be in SD anyway. American studios have done it too.

Does your TV support PAL? If not I wouldn't enable the hack. I presume it does have you have Crank.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Dual Format Players
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Dual Format Players › LG BH200: Mini-FAQ + Firmware Info (TrueHD 7.1, DTS-HD, 24p) + SD DVD Multiregion!