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post #31 of 129
Well this one is getting nasty.. lots of fanbody blab on both sides. Not sure why one can't have a ton of posts and not be an every day gamer.. I admit I'm not a gamer every day as I just have the free time I used to but many here are and post a lot, it is possible.

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Sad really, I was hoping for the add-on. This is going to make me seriously consider a PS3 as a Blu-Ray drive. I want a next gen DVD format (apart from the sadly defunct HD-DVD add-on I have), and the PS3 is probably the best choice I have. I know that If I get it, I'd probably buy some games that could have been purchased for the Xbox.
Poor decision making on MS part in MHO.

I can only hope that this is an unconfirmed story.

I honestly don't believe MS will release one but as others have said, denial doesn't really mean squat. They were denying the Elite before they released it.

PS3 is a great blu-ray player and fantastic gaming system. It will be updated for 2.0 live if you care about that (I don't). Insiders have said DTS-MA, which I hope is true as that is the one thing I really want added in a firmware update.
post #32 of 129
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Originally Posted by eklinger View Post

I find it odd that people that already have an xbox360 bitching that MS does not have a BD addon. If you want BD player go out and buy a standelone unit. By the end of the year standelone players will be as cheap or cheaper then any add-on MS will offer. At that point it make zero sense to choose an add-on which would not have as much functionality as the standalone player.

I haven't jumped into BD yet but when I do I will be looking at standalone players. I'm waiting to see what OPPO will have to offer with their BD player later this year.

I would not buy a PS3 just because it can play BD. I already have an xbox and do not need another gaming console.

I would rather see MS focus on Marketplace and movie rentals then an add-on player that will end up being more expensive with less functionality then standalone players by this time next year.


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Originally Posted by eklinger View Post

The only reason that happened is the xbox pros and elites sold out in December. Stores over the last few weeks have just been getting replenishments. Last week the Best Buy by my house got 2 pallets of pros in and half are gone when I was their today. So yes I would imagine the PS3 sold more in Jan and Feb by a good amount. That is easy when the xbox was out of stock.

Sales at local Nest Buy might not be the best way to judge global demand. Skipped a bit too many classes to play Halo haven't you? Prepare your excuse for March's sales figures, I'll be back to laugh at you when they're out.
post #34 of 129
I'll be buying a PS3 for blu-ray to plunk down next to my HD-A3, with the occasional PS3 exclusive game as a bonus. It'll also be sitting next to my third 360 which I'm hoping will be embarassed into acting like a quality-built, reliable, and quiet piece of consumer electronics.
post #35 of 129
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Everyday gamers don't post 3500 times on A/V forums. Sorry, you don't qualify.

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Sales at local Nest Buy

You clearing show your age with these type of post.


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People like to own a physical copy. Downloads are too easy to get free. Face the facts, blu-ray is it.

Actually DVD is still "it" for most consumers.
post #36 of 129
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

You clearing show your age with these type of post.




Actually DVD is still "it" for most consumers.

Age has nothing to do with maturity or lack of it when it comes to internet chat. I believe that is a big misconception.
post #37 of 129
The funny thing about arguements like this are that Sony fanboys are now touting a couple months big sales (due to the ending of the format wars and people buying PS3's as the cheapest BD player out there), as some kind of "HA! TOLD YOU SO! PS3 RULES!" thing.

Yet, to me, they are no more than the last guy to cross the finish line.....Microsoft and Nintendo have long since crossed, established themselves as players, and gone home with their respective markets, which continue to grow with solid sales every month.

Sony is just now rushing to reach the finish line, finally catching up after several price-cuts and revamps of the hardware (aka: failure)....but people are somehow equating that to a "win"

Sadly, this isnt the Special Olympics...

Sony catching up is not a win...PS2 dominated all, but PS3 is 3rd place and struggling to catch up...in order to do so, its touting its movie playing capablity, not its gaming capability....to me, that makes PS3 the big loser in Sonys 10 year history in gaming.

If Sonys $700 hardware can do no better than Microsofts $400 hardware......I consider the PS3 a failure, or at best...a copy of what another company did better and cheaper, only with a $300 BD drive along for the ride.
post #38 of 129
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Sony is just now rushing to reach the finish line, finally catching up after several price-cuts and revamps of the hardware (aka: failure)....but people are somehow equating that to a "win"

You can included MS in there as well. The Wii is the only hardware that hasn't had price drops and several hardware revisions. As for the hardware failures, well we all know the story on that one.. no need to mention it again.


I didn't realize the finish line was already crossed. Does that mean MS is going to phase out the 360 as fast as they did the xbox then? From the charts I've read the PS3 has sold more in its first fourtenn months than the 360 despite the higher price points and lack of next gen competion for the 360. Wii blowing both of them out of the water despite being my least favorite system and I do own one.

As for the rest, any actual facts for the figures given? Not that I care what MS and Sony pays on their end, just curious.
post #39 of 129
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Originally Posted by SSJVejita1 View Post

A voice of reason in a jungle of ignorance.

Are you agreeing with me on my comment here

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Not sure why one can't have a ton of posts and not be an every day gamer..

Or just some of it?
post #40 of 129
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

You can included MS in there as well. The Wii is the only hardware that hasn't had price drops and several hardware revisions. As for the hardware failures, well we all know the story on that one.. no need to mention it again.

Wrong. The difference here is that Microsoft only had to prove it could retain and expand its user base. Sony had a *much* bigger point to prove, which it didn't.

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I didn't realize the finish line was already crossed. Does that mean MS is going to phase out the 360 as fast as they did the xbox then?

As I mentioned above, Microsoft has already established itself as a major player. Dont really know what the Wii has to do with this conversation, Microsoft has achieved what it needed to: Proved to the United States that its a major player and can stand toe to toe with anything Sony can produce.
Thats a win. Everything from this point on (expanding the user base) is gravy.

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From the charts I've read the PS3 has sold more in its first fourtenn months than the 360 despite the higher price points and lack of next gen competion for the 360. Wii blowing both of them out of the water despite being my least favorite system and I do own one.

Wii is like an Ipod..the gadget de-jour....I predict that, like the gamecube, it quickly fades to irrelevance....but maybe I am wrong, and if the world wants to play minigames for the rest of its life, so be it. I'm more interested in what Sony and Microsoft offer.

Microsoft has done what it needed to do in the US.....Europe? Don't care, Japan? Could care even less. Let the Japanese and Europe buy all the PS3's they can...it certainly hasn't meant anything at all in terms of the quality or amount of software for the PS3 has it? Hmmm..guess being #1 or #2 in sales really *doesn't* matter.

But the kicker here is that there still aren't any games for the PS3, a year and a half later, that go "Wow you could never do that on a 360!".....and thats just pathetic.

The way Sony's trackrecord is going, the smart money will be to buy the PS4 about 2 years after it launches, since its going to take that amount of time for the box to finally work, and devs to figure its innards out. :P

Then again, given the fiasco with the PS3's first year...its disappointment in sales worldwide and its embarassing losing of market position to not one, but two rivals....(remember in Japan that kind of thing means something)...I'm wondering if next time around, someone at the reigns doesn't just say "Lets maybe not design a big box full of spaghetti and expect the devs to figure it out".
post #41 of 129
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

Wrong. The difference here is that Microsoft only had to prove it could retain and expand its user base. Sony had a *much* bigger point to prove, which it didn't.

Not really, but I'm sure we'll agree to disagree. Really wasn't much room for MS to go down considering discrepancy last gen. Sony on the other hand has plenty of room to head downward and still be very successful. I'm not sure if anybody out there really didn't expect MS to do even better or Sony to not do as well this gen. I definitely didn't think Sony would have the same % of the market. Many factors have changed since the PS2 launched.

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As I mentioned above, Microsoft has already established itself as a major player. Dont really know what the Wii has to do with this conversation, Microsoft has achieved what it needed to: Proved to the United States that its a major player and can stand toe to toe with anything Sony can produce.
Thats a win. Everything from this point on (expanding the user base) is gravy.

Wii is like an Ipod..the gadget de-jour....I predict that, like the gamecube, it quickly fades to irrelevance....but maybe I am wrong, and if the world wants to play minigames for the rest of its life, so be it. I'm more interested in what Sony and Microsoft offer.

No doubt they did, I don't think anybody would argue that MS established themselves as a player. MS was willing to poor in billions of $'s to get into the video game market. There really is only one direction MS should be going and that is indeed up. Personally I'm suprised about the dominance of the Wii this gen.

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Microsoft has done what it needed to do in the US.....Europe? Don't care, Japan? Could care even less. Let the Japanese and Europe buy all the PS3's they can...it certainly hasn't meant anything at all in terms of the quality or amount of software for the PS3 has it? Hmmm..guess being #1 or #2 in sales really *doesn't* matter.

Not for me, Wii is number 1 by far and is my least favorite in terms of content. Of course many xbox fans were never in to numbers last gen but of course they are now this gen when they are ahead of one console due to their consle rushing out of the gate first.

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But the kicker here is that there still aren't any games for the PS3, a year and a half later, that go "Wow you could never do that on a 360!".....and thats just pathetic.

Hard to say on that part. Each system has its strenghts and weaknesses. Certain aspects can't be done. Not sure why that is pathetic to you as both systems have a lot of amazing games.

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The way Sony's trackrecord is going, the smart money will be to buy the PS4 about 2 years after it launches, since its going to take that amount of time for the box to finally work, and devs to figure its innards out. :P

For you perhaps. I've been playing top of the line gaming since 2006 on my PS3. Sure I was playing top of the line gaming on the 360 (GRAW )before that as it came out earlier.

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Then again, given the fiasco with the PS3's first year...its disappointment in sales worldwide and its embarassing losing of market position to not one, but two rivals....(remember in Japan that kind of thing means something)...I'm wondering if next time around, someone at the reigns doesn't just say "Lets maybe not design a big box full of spaghetti and expect the devs to figure it out".

I'm sure it does in Japan (thought the 360 was doing much worse than the PS3 in Japan )
post #42 of 129
I never understood the whole "console war" thing. It amazes me that people take this shiat so personally. Do any of you own Sony or Microsoft stock? Sheesh. Also replacing an "S" with a "$" is not clever. It never was.
post #43 of 129
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Originally Posted by SSJVejita1 View Post

Add to that the blu-ray player and the PS3 is going to outsell the Xbox360 every month this year. Bet the house one it.

So, let's do that!

I am willing to setup, as soon as you agree, an escrow account where both us can deposit $100,000. If Xbox360 beats PS3 in sales any month this year, I win, if they don't, you win.

Care to put your money where your fanboy devotion lies?

Yeah, that is what I thought, why don't you just go back to the hole where you came from.
post #44 of 129
I always wonder how old some of you guys are when I see threads like this. Some of you might even get a well deserved cool down time as a gift from the mods.
post #45 of 129
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey View Post

Not really, but I'm sure we'll agree to disagree. Really wasn't much room for MS to go down considering discrepancy last gen.

I think for a first time player they did pretty good establishing themselves as the online and Digital-TV system to beat. True, they didn't have what Sony had in terms of game selection or diversity, but their system did trump the PS2 in visuals, being able to do (nearly) every game at 480p widescreen was a boon to those of us who adopted digitals early on...but it was definately an "alsoran".

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Personally I'm suprised about the dominance of the Wii this gen.

On this we both agree. I expected success, but nothing like what has happened with the system..I can only say that its just like an IPOD. People who have no business owning an IPOD now own an IPOD. People with 10 CD's who never listen to music....own an ipod. Now they all own Wii's...but everyone also rushed out and owned GameCubes. If you think Microsoft has a short history with consoles, Nintendo saw the GC wasn't dong much after those first two years and immediately all their attention shifted back to their handhelds.

Let me put it this way: I *OWN* a Wii. Why? I have no frickin clue. Next week I'm selling it to a coworker with a 5 year old grandson, and he'll freakin love it. Me? Its a doorstop. The Wii to me is the modern day Pet Rock.

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course they are now this gen when they are ahead of one console due to their consle rushing out of the gate first.

It was more than that, the system had a strong launch lineup and Live was a significant upgrade over its original Xbox iteration. But yes, being first does have its advantages. First with the HD graphics and HDR and next gen visuals.

C'mon, you mean to tell me the first time you saw in-cockpit footage of PGR3 being played your jaw didn't drop open? I saw the shaky-cam footage they took with the shadows and the sun glare and HDR lighting and I thought I was watching a race replay...alot of people saw that and went "damn...Damn that is a serious step up".

But Sony's loyal legions didn't all rush to M$....they stood by waiting for PS3.
And alot of them feel burned. I figured PS3 would be much further along than it is right now......

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I'm sure it does in Japan (thought the 360 was doing much worse than the PS3 in Japan )

I'm not surprised that ANY home console does poorly in Japan......the Japanese as a people aren't nearly the homebodies that we in the States are.

The 360 in Japan is a fools errand if you ask me.....mostly because the Japanese have a penchant for a certain type of game (I'm speaking in generalities here), they don't go for Shooters like we do here....they aren't as about the hyper-violent 3RD or 1st person games, and so forth. Microsoft doesn't really seem all that committed to producing Japan-centric software, which is understandable...its not really their home nation.

PS to the other poster: Replacing S with $ to represent M$ (Microsoft) is shorthand, not a slam on Microsoft, to most readers.

I'm sure eventually it will even own between 360 and PS3, and perhaps the PS3 will have longer legs as it is also a BD player....but eventually we'll see the new Xbox come out, and that will probably do 1080p/60 since they know people wont accept anything less at this point.....and then we'll be back into the leapfrogging of releases.....

Oh well, in the end the continuing saga of the systems means two things:

Lots of games to play
Lots of arguements to be settled (or not settled) on internet forums


PS: To the other poster, M$ is shorthand for Microsoft, not a slam on them...most folks (like me) just use it so everyone knows who they are talking about. And....I thought it was pretty clever, actually
post #46 of 129
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Originally Posted by gameboy View Post

So, let's do that!

I am willing to setup, as soon as you agree, an escrow account where both us can deposit $100,000. If Xbox360 beats PS3 in sales any month this year, I win, if they don't, you win.

Care to put your money where your fanboy devotion lies?

Sounds good. Set up the account and post the details here so it's public.
post #47 of 129
If the PS3 didn't play Blu Ray I wouldn't even have it. If the XBox 360 had Blu Ray I would probably sell my PS3 to get a Blu Ray drive for the XBox.

No one uses the PS3 in my house except for watching Blu Ray. When ever I get pissed at my kid I tell him that I am not going to let him play XBox and make him play PS3 instead, he then gets pissed at me and goes and plays with his action figures. Point being the PS3 may have more features than the XBox but I only got it for Blu Ray, if the XBox had an add on I would buy that!
post #48 of 129
Don't you guys remember when MS said there were no plans for an HDMI version of the Xbox360?

How did that work out?
post #49 of 129
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Originally Posted by vertigo235 View Post

Don't you guys remember when MS said there were no plans for an HDMI version of the Xbox360?

How did that work out?

Ooo... you beat me to it.

The way I read the article was they weren't planning on integrating it into the 360. Meaning there won't be a Blu-ray drive inside the Xbox.

I still believe there will be a Blu-ray add-on.

In any case, nothing exists until the minute Microsoft makes an official press release that it does.
post #50 of 129
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Originally Posted by Nox View Post

Ooo... you beat me to it.

The way I read the article was they weren't planning on integrating it into the 360. Meaning there won't be a Blu-ray drive inside the Xbox.

I still believe there will be a Blu-ray add-on.

In any case, nothing exists until the minute Microsoft makes an official press release that it does.

If that happens I take back my prediction that PS3 out sells Xbox360 every month this year. Also, If Sony tries to make the PS3 a ten year system and Microsoft makes a new one in five, the PS3 will be trash. 4-5 years from now the technology will be there to make an infinitely better system. 8-12x blu-ray drive, better graphics card, processor, more and faster memory, wireless.n, and possibly a flash hard drive. There's no such thing as a 10 year system...it's foolish for Sony to imply it.
post #51 of 129
Maybe the PS3 will make an Xbox add on....
post #52 of 129
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Originally Posted by HDTV-NUT View Post

Doesn't bother me much. I am just waiting for the PS3 MGS4 bundle with Dual Shock 3 to come out in a few months. Then I will be handing out ownings on both the 360 and PS3.

Yeah, this might be the time to buy one. MGS4 might be....good. It could help Sony in sales.....unless it releases anywhere close to GOW 2.
Can't wait!!!

[back to playing GOW]
post #53 of 129
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Originally Posted by SSJVejita1 View Post

This makes no sense. Netflix already rents Blu-ray, which gives a boost to PS3 sales. 6 month headstart on movie downloads is garbage...they'll never allow unlimited downloads of HD content for a set price, at least not for another few years. Plus people who are open to movie downloads already realize there's no reason to pay for it. You can do it for free on your own.

They don't have to do it for all of the movies they can allow unlimited downloads for say the hottest movies for the past month. Trust me if it is a way MS can get ahead of the game it will happen. Don't forget my friend

Money Talks BS runs a marathon and Gates has deep pockests.
post #54 of 129
We have already established that the 360 is not an engineering marvel and will eventually fail, so obviously it doesn't make sense to have another device that has it's functionality dependent on the Xbox. So if you want a BR player buy a standalone or a PS3 for a few extra bucks and stop yammering on and on about if, how, why, and blah blah blah Xbox 360 blue ray ad on.

just my 2 cents
post #55 of 129
Isnt the real winner, the system that sells the most software. I'm pretty sure that the xbox is crushing the competition in software sales.
post #56 of 129
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Originally Posted by SSJVejita1 View Post

Once .mkv support is out there will be no reason to do any file conversions. If you think M$ can offer unlimited HD movie downloads for $10 a month I have some beachfront property in Alabama you might be interested in...

Eitherway, a reasonable flat rate would do it.
post #57 of 129
Great news. I already have a PS3 and would enjoy more downloadables from the Marketplace.
post #58 of 129
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Originally Posted by SSJVejita1 View Post

Sounds good. Set up the account and post the details here so it's public.

Sweet. This will be like taking candy froma baby.

If you don't mind I want to make sure that you have enough funds to cover it before I spend the fees to setup an escrow account.

I am PM'ing you the funds I have available in Money Market that shows that I can cover my side of wager right now. Please reciprocate and send me your info as well. If you do not belive my email, I will arrange a letter from my brokerage firm to send you a formal letter.

Please send me your email at your earliest convenience.

Please no 401k or mortgage account, as they are not liquid and you are just wasting my time. I will accept funds in money market, or invested in liquid securities. Once I have verifed that you have the funds I will proceed to the next step.
post #59 of 129
I need to get in on this action. I'm positive this is a sucker bet. The PS3 outselling the 360 EVERY month. Be real.
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PS: To the other poster, M$ is shorthand for Microsoft, not a slam on them...most folks (like me) just use it so everyone knows who they are talking about.

Somewhat dubious, since the use of "MS" as shorthand for Microsoft has been around longer than Windows, and far longer than the common usage of the snarkier "M$".

Contextually, everyone understands what is being referred to when one uses "MS".
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