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post #241 of 3905
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Originally Posted by znutz View Post

Update: Adjusted Settings for Firmware 1003.M

I've tweaked the settings over the weekend to what I feel are the best for all around viewing. They are absolutely gorgeous on PS3 and Blu-Ray as well as watching over-the-air HDTV.

Most notable changes from my last settings are those to colors. I felt Evil's were "correct" but they seemed washed out and didn't let the beast breathe. I increased "color" on each input and accounted for "native" color space on TV. Also, tint was adjusted accordingly.

You'll see I changed PC settings to "Dynamic." The outcome was stunning! I'm still trying to circumvent the red "bleeding" that occurs when using the A650 as a PC Monitor. When HDMI/DVI input 2 is in PC mode, the TV greys out most features which creates spectacular contrast and color but it does take on a sort of "bleeding" on the color red. If anyone can help (I'm thinking a video card adjustment) it would be appreciated.

Sumary The adjusted settings have convinced me that this is indeed the perfect TV.

Enjoy!

Samsung LNxxA650 Calibration Settings

Hi, and thanks for the settings! I have a 46a650 with 1003.M firmware and am running a Scientific Atlanta STB on HDMI1 for HDTV, and an upconverting DVD-V player set to 1080p over HDMI (no Blu-Ray yet) on HDMI/DVI2.

My questions are:

Should I use the settings for "TV/Antenna In" OR "Playstation3/Blu-Ray" for my sources?

Also, I cannot seem to set the Digital NR independently for HDMI1 and HDMI/DVI2. Is there any way to do so? Thanks again.
post #242 of 3905
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Originally Posted by sd13 View Post

i got my 46a650 delivered today from big river. The white glove service was great and the tv is flawless so far! AMP works great and it really pops and there is no stutter or artifacts! PQ is amazing after a few touch ups. This tv is everything the 71f should have been. I havent noticed any lag on ps3 games either. And finally, no flashlights, mura, clouding etc. And last but not least, NO PURPLE HAZE. All those reports of purplish blacks are totally false. They were probably from bad camera angle still pictures that were taken, because there isnt even a faint trace of purple on my set. So far i couldnt be any happier. I think i have finally found a keeper!

I'm glad that your set doesn't have the puplish haze but, it's not false. There is pictures of it in the owner's thread and mines has it as well. Doesn't bother me so much since I usually set directly in front of the screen.
post #243 of 3905
I could use a suggestion or two connecting a PS3(1 day old) to 52ln650(1 week
old). Watching satellite content has been stellar so far, HDMI, as two viewers
tweak our viewing/preferences/ settings. I brought home the PS3 hoping to get as big a kick out of my first blu-ray, I am Legend, but haven't succeeded at "getting it right" to display full screen no matter which device, the sammy
or the PS3, i move the recommended settings to, nothing but what looks like
letterbox on that big beautiful screen. Is it the tv or ps3? I've done the updates to both machines, and am worn out just short or re-packaging to take
the ps3 back, the tv stays. thx in advance.
post #244 of 3905
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Originally Posted by fl_voomer View Post

I could use a suggestion or two connecting a PS3(1 day old) to 52ln650(1 week
old). Watching satellite content has been stellar so far, HDMI, as two viewers
tweak our viewing/preferences/ settings. I brought home the PS3 hoping to get as big a kick out of my first blu-ray, I am Legend, but haven't succeeded at "getting it right" to display full screen no matter which device, the sammy
or the PS3, i move the recommended settings to, nothing but what looks like
letterbox on that big beautiful screen. Is it the tv or ps3? I've done the updates to both machines, and am worn out just short or re-packaging to take
the ps3 back, the tv stays. thx in advance.

Most current films are 2.35:1, HDTV's are 1.78:1 so I would say learn to adapt.
post #245 of 3905
I got my Blu Ray version of Digital Video Essentials in the mail and ran through the test patterns. Based on what I saw, my calibration settings are pretty much dead on. I did make a couple small adjustments with the basic settings. I'll attach my updated spreadsheet.

There 2 tabs, DVE is the new one. i1DL2 is the original.

 

40A650_Calibration_04282008.zip 4.9619140625k . file
post #246 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Evil4blue View Post

I got my Blu Ray version of Digital Video Essentials in the mail and ran through the test patterns. Based on what I saw, my calibration settings are pretty much dead on. I did make a couple small adjustments with the basic settings. I'll attach my updated spreadsheet.

There 2 tabs, DVE is the new one. i1DL2 is the original.

EXCELLENT!!! I've been waiting for these buddy! And what great timing!! I am posting right now as I wait outside of my local Gamestop for some good ol' GTAIV.

I'll toss on the new DVE settings and see how they look.

Thanks again
post #247 of 3905
I don't get it... most of you that post the settings put it on Movie and backlight on 5, it looks so dark to me. Why is it like that? I know I can set it to whatever settings I like and that you use the calibration but just seems so dark. Is it just me that thinks this?
post #248 of 3905
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Originally Posted by urmystlkal View Post

I don't get it... most of you that post the settings put it on Movie and backlight on 5, it looks so dark to me. Why is it like that? I know I can set it to whatever settings I like and that you use the calibration but just seems so dark. Is it just me that thinks this?

Well, that's funny, because with backlight 5 I think it's too LIGHT, and after some tweaking, I lowered it to 4 or 3 and tried to compensate with more brightness. Hey, ya know it's in the eye of the beholder like they say. Some like Jenna Jamison and Giselle Bundchen; I prefer Charlize Theron, Scarlett Johansson, you know.
post #249 of 3905
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Originally Posted by scivian View Post

HDMI makes a huge difference. When I first received my TV, I put in my Planet Earth Blu-ray disc and switched back and forth between my good quality component and HDMI cables...I will never use component again.

OK thanx for the opinion. Off to Blue Jean for an HDMI cable for me. Now I have to figure out how I'm gonna do this--I have a really expensive and nice SD DVD/CD combo player, and that has VGA out. But I should also get a blu-ray player--do they generally support CD and SD DVD formats so that I can use 1 player for everything (and sell the expensivo SD player), or will I need to keep 2 boxes, and therefore two cables (VGA-HDMI and HDMI-HDMI)?
post #250 of 3905
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Originally Posted by urmystlkal View Post

I don't get it... most of you that post the settings put it on Movie and backlight on 5, it looks so dark to me. Why is it like that? I know I can set it to whatever settings I like and that you use the calibration but just seems so dark. Is it just me that thinks this?

I said this earlier in the thread. My TV is in a dark room and my settings are perfect for that environment. If the settings seem to dark, then definitely raise your backlight settings. You may have to readjust your brightness and contrast controls to compensate for the increased backlight since you might start losing black details.
post #251 of 3905
That is so weird. I have my 52" in my bedroom. I am currently watching OZ on DVD. It is filmed in 4:3 so I have the black bars on the left and right. It drives me nuts they are not totally black and I have my BL on 3. My girlfriend says it is fine, but I think it is too bright.
post #252 of 3905
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Originally Posted by gilesmcgrath View Post

That is so weird. I have my 52" in my bedroom. I am currently watching OZ on DVD. It is filmed in 4:3 so I have the black bars on the left and right. It drives me nuts they are not totally black and I have my BL on 3. My girlfriend says it is fine, but I think it is too bright.

Try turning you're brightness down a little, see if that helps.
post #253 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Evil4blue View Post

Try turning you're brightness down a little, see if that helps.

I will give it a shot. I have currently have my brightness at 44. I will see what happens when I get home tonight.

Thanks,
G.
post #254 of 3905
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Originally Posted by gilesmcgrath View Post

I will give it a shot. I have currently have my brightness at 44. I will see what happens when I get home tonight.

Thanks,
G.

Hey Giles, I'm having the same experience as you, and have been fiddling with backlight 3 and 4 (turning brightness to about 47-48), but I think I'm crushing a bit. My experience is that the backlight has much more of an effect on the background black than brightness does at settings below brightness about 48. Mind you, I am not using HDMI, so I wonder if that changes the playing field--I can't use HDMI black level, which many like on "LOW".

I wonder if it's the infamous "purple haze". Boy Hendrix lives eh? I think I'm gonna post pics of my perceived blue/purple haze in the owners' forum in a day or 2.
post #255 of 3905
I'm using Evil4blue's settings and it looks real good, but my hdmi black level is greyed out as normal, can someone tell me what I need to do to be able to adjust it?

Thanks
post #256 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Kineahora View Post

I am not using HDMI, so I wonder if that changes the playing field--I can't use HDMI black level, which many like on "LOW".

For OTA TV, I use backlight level 4; for my AV (HDMI) Receiver, to which everything else is connected, I use backlight level 5. I need the extra level over HDMI because I use HDMI black level Low; that Low setting (vs. Normal) requires a little backlight boost, IMO.

One thing I really wish I could get confirmation (reply from someone here) on is digital noise reduction (DNR); it seems everyone else can save separate settings per source, however when I change DNR for TV, it changes automatically to the same setting for HDMI, and vice versa. I cannot save distinct DNR settings per source.

I can't imagine how this could possibly be an isolated phenomena; it's not the same as screen variations or bad input sockets, which could have isolated cases. I have the 1003M firmware.
post #257 of 3905
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Originally Posted by gpa07 View Post

I'm using Evil4blue's settings and it looks real good, but my hdmi black level is greyed out as normal, can someone tell me what I need to do to be able to adjust it?

Thanks

The HDMI Black Level setting is only available to source connections outputting RGB over HDMI. If the source is set to ouput YCbCr over HDMI, the setting will be grayed out.
post #258 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Transcend View Post

One thing I really wish I could get confirmation (reply from someone here) on is digital noise reduction (DNR); it seems everyone else can save separate settings per source, however when I change DNR for TV, it changes automatically to the same setting for HDMI, and vice versa. I cannot save distinct DNR settings per source.

I can't imagine how this could possibly be an isolated phenomena; it's not the same as screen variations or bad input sockets, which could have isolated cases. I have the 1003.M firmware.

Hi, I have the same problem, which I raised above in Post #241. I am running 1003.M firmware, as well.
post #259 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Dayton View Post

The HDMI Black Level setting is only available to source connections outputting RGB over HDMI. If the source is set to ouput YCbCr over HDMI, the setting will be grayed out.

So I take it, my directv h21 receiver does not output rgb? If it does, would you happen to know how I change it?
post #260 of 3905
I was wondering the exact same thing. I have my HR20 hooked up via HDMI and it's greyed out at normal.

Also, what TV Resolutions should I select for my Directv box? 1080i only?
post #261 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Rugged1 View Post

I was wondering the exact same thing. I have my HR20 hooked up via HDMI and it's greyed out at normal.

Also, what TV Resolutions should I select for my Directv box? 1080i only?

If you select 1080i only, then the HR20 will do the scaling. If you check all the boxes, then the tv will do the scaling. With my 71, I found checking all the boxes and setting it to NATIVE was the best (I have an HR20) but your set may differ. Try it both ways and see how your HD (both 720p and 1080i) look, as well as your SD channels.
post #262 of 3905
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Originally Posted by gpa07 View Post

So I take it, my directv h21 receiver does not output rgb? If it does, would you happen to know how I change it?

Correct.
post #263 of 3905
If you don't have a Color Space setting that allows you to select between RGB and YCbCr, then there is no option. You have to go with whatever the default is and whether or not the HDMI Black Level setting is grayed out or not will tell you if HDMI outputs at a default RGB or YCbCr. One way around this issue is to hook up your STB via component to a HDMI switching amplifier with the RGB or YCbCr HDMI Color Space option.

As far as setting the STB to output 1080i only you should definitely try it and see if you experience any lag, if not keep it at that setting. If you find that some channels lag then set the STB to output 720p or Native if you have that option.
post #264 of 3905
I am surprised no one has talked about the CNET settings yet. I am at work, so will have to wait till tonight to try them out. Here they are.

http://help.cnet.com/9602-12576_39-0...sageID=2510694

-Picture menu

Mode: Movie

Backlight: 3

Contrast: 93

Brightness: 44

Sharpness: 0

Color: 52

Tint: G50/R50



Detailed settings submenu

Black adjust: Off

Dynamic contrast: Off

Gamma: +3

Color space: Auto

Flesh tone: 0

Edge enhancement: Off

xvYCC: Off



White balance submenu

R-Offset: 25

G-Offset: 26

B-Offset: 25

R-Gain: 24

G-Gain: 23

B-Gain: 14



Picture options submenu

Color tone: Warm2

Size: Just Scan

Digital NR: Off

DNIe: [grayed out]

HDMI black level: [grayed out]

Film mode: [grayed out]

Blue only mode: Off

Auto motion plus 120Hz: Off



--Setup menu

Entertainment: Off

Energy saving: Off
post #265 of 3905
Hey Guys, I was just on CNET - and Here are their calibrations for the 650 I am going to try them out tonight I have Evil4Blue's settings and I like them a lot. I will try these settings and see if they match up or not.

Apparently on their review of this tv you should have the AMP off it causes no motion blur (TPE)

I thought having it on high was suppose to help with all that?! Am I mistaken?

Bare in mind these settings are for dark room settings:

http://help.cnet.com/Samsung_LN52A65...50&nodeId=6482
post #266 of 3905
I have a Toshiba XA2, a Panny bd30, and a DishHD box that I'm trying to use on one HDMI input (HDMI1 via a 2 port switch and an Onkyo 605). The XA2 and the bd30 both default to Normal for HDMI Black Level, and the setting is grayed out. Changing between Standard and Enhanced for the RGB setting on both players does not change the default HDMI Black Level setting on the 650 (and neither make any difference in the picture).

With my DishHD box, HDMI Black Level is defaulted to Low, but is not grayed out, so I can change it to Normal. There is no RGB/YCbCr setting in the setup menus of the DishHD box.

I'm calibrating the 650 using HD DVE from my XA2. When using my DishHD box, should HDMI Black Level be set to Low or Normal?
post #267 of 3905
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

I have a Toshiba XA2, a Panny bd30, and a DishHD box that I'm trying to use on one HDMI input (HDMI1 via a 2 port switch and an Onkyo 605). The XA2 and the bd30 both default to Normal for HDMI Black Level, and the setting is grayed out. Changing between Standard and Enhanced for the RGB setting on both players does not change the default HDMI Black Level setting on the 650 (and neither make any difference in the picture).

With my DishHD box, HDMI Black Level is defaulted to Low, but is not grayed out, so I can change it to Normal. There is no RGB/YCbCr setting in the setup menus of the DishHD box.

I'm calibrating the 650 using HD DVE from my XA2. When using my DishHD box, should HDMI Black Level be set to Low or Normal?

Since two of your three sources ouput YCbCr over HDMI and you use one input for the 650, I would suggest calibrating your 650 with HDMI Black Level set to Normal. If you calibrate with HDMI Black Level set to Low your two YCbCr HDMI devices will look washed out and too bright. Calibrating with HDMI Black Level on Normal will give you a common setting where all your sources will look the same.
post #268 of 3905
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Originally Posted by Dayton View Post

Since two of your three sources ouput YCbCr over HDMI and you use one input for the 650, I would suggest calibrating your 650 with HDMI Black Level set to Normal. If you calibrate with HDMI Black Level set to Low your two YCbCr HDMI devices will look washed out and too bright. Calibrating with HDMI Black Level on Normal will give you a common setting where all your sources will look the same.

Thanks Dayton. Sometimes this stuff gets so confusing.
post #269 of 3905
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Originally Posted by GreenMtnGringo View Post

Hi, I have the same problem, which I raised above in Post #241. I am running 1003.M firmware, as well.

I just got off the phone with Samsung support (level 2). I was told it is not possible to save distinct DNR settings per source. Whatever changes to DNR are made on one source WILL change the setting on all sources.

I've had three of these (the third time being the charm), and on all three, I could not save different DNR per source.

The only explanation I can provide for some people appearing to be able to accomplish this is perhaps by some setting in the Service Menu. I have never ventured into the Service Menu.
post #270 of 3905
I'm struggling to understand exactly what the calibration service that Best Buy offers is really about. I understand their techs are (purportedly) ISF-trained and that it includes 2 HDMI inputs.

Well, what are they doing, exactly? Are they changing settings I can't? And are they saving them somewhere I can't?

My set is in a living room, where the light levels change all the time. If they calibrate my set for a dark room, what happens if I want to adjust the display for the times when the room is lighter? Do I have to blow away the settings they've used? I'm just adjusting the settings listed in this thread. Are there others I need to connect a computer to my TV to adjust?

I love my set and I want to get the most out of it, but I'm not sure how much trouble, and money, this is worth.
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