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post #121 of 332
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Originally Posted by AlfaGT View Post

And please note (@all), to always shut off your player when changed the digits and switch on/reboot before testing.

Weird, others have said you don't need to reboot for it to change.

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I will pay more attention to not miss / overview the important informations

You can always subscribe to the thread, like me.
post #122 of 332
Talking about hacks, I wonder if we take a doner BH100 and could take the multi chanel analog out board out and put it in the BH200, we'd only need a way to activate it or some how put a switch to either use the digital out or maybe both will work together. I ahve both players and will look to se if they have seprate board for the audio outs or not. I have been doing modifications to my CRT projector so i feel comfortable pursuing this. And since i have seen broken BH100 going for a 100 bucks or so it wouldnt be that bad cost wise trying.

Athanasios
post #123 of 332
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Weird, others have said you don't need to reboot for it to change.

Weird, he once didn't change my blu-ray region before I made the "reboot"
I think to be 100% sure, I will always reboot in the future, if you guys want another 100 codes to be tested

Cheers
post #124 of 332
I found that the BD region change was immediately effective, but network update and PAL/NTSC needed a reboot to take effect.

I didn't find a code that allowed Region B+Network Update, but I can imagine that might change if there is new firmware for the European players.

I notice that the screen saver does come on after exactly 5 minutes of inactivity, so I think that's what the 05 is in Byte 6. The 40 in Byte 8 could then be 64 minutes ie roughly an hour for auto power-off, but I haven't tested that. Admin Mode is almost certainly one of the 00s!
post #125 of 332
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

I didn't find a code that allowed Region B+Network Update, but I can imagine that might change if there is new firmware for the European players.

It is weird there is still no Official April firmware, even though the USA/Canadian one works just fine.

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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

but I haven't tested that. Admin Mode is almost certainly one of the 00s!

But which one???

Thanks for the clarification on what you need to reboot for.
post #126 of 332
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Originally Posted by dring View Post

0D is not a supported country model number on the BH200, yet -- if you use it, the System Log reports "MODEL: Non name model" -- therefore I would mildly council against using 8D (which is just 0D with the PAL bit turned on), in case a later version of firmware assigns 0D to a country that might give you unexpected behaviour (like China or something).

Rather, I suggest that you pick a currently-supported country model number that gives you the behaviour you want, for example, 00 (USA model) or 01 (Canada model) if you want BD Region A and Network Update capability. Then turn on the high order bit (00-->80 or 01-->81) if you also want PAL support.

You raise an interesting and valid point there Dring. It sounds like 80 is a better replacement for 8D.

I see on your previous post 80 is:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
Country: CA
TVSystem: PAL

80 it is. 80 would seem as good as any of the other values and it has at least been tested.

So that would be:

If you want Region A: USA: 80 - PAL and Network Update / Canada: 81 - PAL and Network Update
If you want Region B: 92 (Belgium) or 96 (Switzerland) - PAL but no Network Update

I'll update the Mini-FAQ as far as PAL support goes. There is no point updating the Mini-FAQ about changing BD regions until we have something final.
post #127 of 332
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

on your previous post 80 is:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
Country: CA
TVSystem: PAL

A fourth byte value of 80 means SMB_PLAYER_USA + PAL.

The "Country: CA" part comes from the first and second bytes being set to 43 41, which is ASCII for "CA".

I suggest that, if you change your fourth byte to be 80, you either leave your first two bytes alone, or change them to be 55 53 (ASCII for "US"), to match the country encoded in the fourth byte.
post #128 of 332
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I don't think it matters if you have contradictory values in "Model:" and "Country:" does it?

Thanks again.
post #129 of 332
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I don't think it matters if you have contradictory values in "Model:" and "Country:" does it?

Not that we know of, so far. In fact, robertpierre's BH200 arrived brand new with Model = USA and Country = CA. I was just trying to clear up a possible misconception where you implied that 80 means:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
Country: CA
TVSystem: PAL

In fact, 80 just means:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
TVSystem: PAL

Note that, if you do a Factory Reset from the System Information screen, if your fourth byte is 80, it will get automatically changed to 00 (disabling PAL) and the first two bytes will get changed to 55 53 ("US").
post #130 of 332
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Originally Posted by dring View Post

In fact, robertpierre's BH200 arrived brand new with Model = USA and County = CA.

That says it all then. I cannot see it mattering, if that was his default.

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Originally Posted by dring View Post

and the first two bytes will get changed to 55 53 ("US").

Even if 55 53 weren't your default values? Thanks.
post #131 of 332
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Even if 55 53 weren't your default values?

Yes. That's what happened on my machine, whose "default" values are 43 41.
post #132 of 332
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Even if 55 53 weren't your default values? Thanks.

Exactly. dring found out (previous page I think) that the country portion of the 4th byte is apparently used when doing a factory reset. Whatever country it indicates...that's what the first two bytes are set to upon performing the factory reset.

I suppose that's yet another reason to not use an 'unknown' 4th byte.

Found the post. Here's part of it:
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Originally Posted by dring View Post

If you perform a Factory Reset by hitting PAUSE while viewing the System Information screen, the first two bytes of the EEPROM (the country letters) and the high-order (PAL) bit of byte 4 get changed to the default values for the model identified in the low-order bits of byte 4.

In other words, it "corrected" the country letters to "US" and disabled PAL, based on the model encoded in byte 4.
post #133 of 332
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Thanks again. Where does Robert say his default values were? "Model = USA and County = CA."

I believe you but am just wondering.
post #134 of 332
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Where does Robert say his default values were? "Model = USA and County = CA."

Here. 43 41 means Country = CA. A fourth byte of 00 means Model = USA.
post #135 of 332
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

I notice that the screen saver does come on after exactly 5 minutes of inactivity, so I think that's what the 05 is in Byte 6. The 40 in Byte 8 could then be 64 minutes ie roughly an hour for auto power-off, but I haven't tested that. Admin Mode is almost certainly one of the 00s!

I bet you are right. I screwed up my courage and tried changing the third byte. As I hoped/expected, it controls the Initial Language, which effects the language used in the set-up menus, error messages (like "No Disc"), etc. I tested the following values:

00 = ENGLISH
01 = SPANISH
02 = FRENCH
10 = (null), defaulted to English

I will leave it to others to explore further values. Note that this means folks can change their BH200 to, say, play Region A BDs by changing the Model to USA or CANADA, but still keep their native language menus.

So I would now guess, based on the order of the Player Options listed in the System Log and building on your speculation, that:

bytes 1&2 = Country
byte 3 = Initial Language
byte 4 = Model + PAL bit
byte 5 = enable/disable status of BDRE/BD/BD9/HDDVD/3xDVD, probably one bit each
byte 6 = Screen Saver delay
byte 7 = Show Mode and Admin Mode
byte 8 = Auto Power Off delay (or maybe just enable/disable)

Who's brave enough to play with byte 7?

I also finally discovered that you can exit from the System Log screen by pressing the RETURN key on the remote. (Press once to get back to the choice among System, ATAPI, and EDID. Press again to get back to normal operation.) Up till now, I have just been power cyclng to exit the System Log. bradavon: you might want to add this tidbit to the first message in the mini-FAQ thread, where you discuss how to display the Log screens.
post #136 of 332
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Good work again Dring. Please don't brick your player though.

Thanks. I'll add that to the post.
post #137 of 332
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Originally Posted by nikonjava View Post

To change the values of these options hit the enter button and scroll with arrow keys until you get to the option you want to change. For the region code hack replace the value of option 5 with the value of: ff

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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

I presume you cannot do this on the BH200? In relation to the above hack.

No, that doesn't seem to work on the BH200's System Information screen.
post #138 of 332
Just Sucessfully set my player to Region A using the "80" code. Confirmed it would not play AVP Requiem before but after code change it played fine (Did not need to power cycle player).
post #139 of 332
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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

Just Sucessfully set my player to Region A using the "80" code. Confirmed it would not play AVP Requiem before but after code change it played fine (Did not need to power cycle player).

Great thanks Krobar.

I presume Master and Commander wouldn't play with it set to 80 and when set to 92 AVP didn't work?
post #140 of 332
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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

Just Sucessfully set my player to Region A using the "80" code. Confirmed it would not play AVP Requiem before but after code change it played fine (Did not need to power cycle player).

I think you're right, Region settings change immediately - but network-option needs a re-boot Sorry, my fault. I mixed it up. Shame on me!

By the way, anyone tried to corrupt the LG-guy to give out a code-list. I wold participate with an amount of cash for the backhander Would be the simplest way

Cheers
post #141 of 332
I'm awaiting an electronic delivery of something called LG Service Manual-SMB... it could be a dud (in which case I have wasted $17,50) or it can be our bible (SMB is the original name of the player, still present in the system info - Super Multi Blu)... I let you guys know as soon as i get my hands on it.
In the ideal world, this would be exactly what we are looking for and tomorrow I could have the full list of EEPROM codes
It can also be a pipe dream - keep your fingers crossed...
post #142 of 332
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Originally Posted by bradavon View Post

Further discussion with the LG employee:

Yes, the unit can be made region free by changing the values. Admin mode give you admin rights, like in windows XP when you log on as admin. The admin mode is for programmers nothing you guys can do with this.


Great thanks Krobar.

I presume Master and Commander wouldn't play with it set to 80 and when set to 92 AVP didn't work?

When set to 92 AVP would not play (It gave the Fox wrong zone page), this is how I also know you dont need to power cycle. Did not check Master And Commander since I want to sell this disc on as sealed.
post #143 of 332
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Originally Posted by robertpierre View Post

SMB is the original name of the player, still present in the system info - Super Multi Blu

Great idea We are hoping with you.

But (not to be a grinch) isn't it just called Super Blu Player - without Multi?
I have the "Super Blu Player Owner's Manual" in front of me. And my player is labelled the same. Is SMB something internal by LG?

Perhaps it's for a 20-year old VHS player (Super Movie Player)
post #144 of 332
Thread Starter 
Further discussion with the LG employee:

Yes, the unit can be made region free by changing the values. Admin mode give you admin rights, like in windows XP when you log on as admin. The admin mode is for programmers nothing you guys can do with this.
post #145 of 332
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Originally Posted by dring View Post

I was just trying to clear up a possible misconception where you implied that 80 means:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
Country: CA
TVSystem: PAL

In fact, 80 just means:

Model: SMB_PLAYER_USA
TVSystem: PAL


It's contained in the firmware, not the manual. Initially, the BH100 was called SMB-007
post #146 of 332
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Originally Posted by AlfaGT View Post

By the way, anyone tried to corrupt the LG-guy to give out a code-list.

I have tried but wasn't able to find any codes out. I don't think LG are going to tell us anything. I can appreciate that. They'd get in trouble for leaking it.

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Originally Posted by robertpierre View Post

I'm awaiting an electronic delivery of something called LG Service Manual-SMB

Great work there, thanks Robert.

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Originally Posted by robertpierre View Post

Initially, the BH100 was called SMB-007

It's still called that Officially in Canada:

http://ca.lge.com/en/products/model/...r_smb007.jhtml

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Originally Posted by AlfaGT View Post

But (not to be a grinch) isn't it just called Super Blu Player - without Multi?

The BH100's full name is the "BH1000 Super Multi Blu" this was shortened to "BH200 Super Blu" but I can well believe it's internal name is still SMB.

For example:

Windows XP - Original Codename: Whistler
Windows 95 - Original Codename: Chicago

In Microsoft's case most Windows OS's get a codename and it's their policy to name them after a City.
post #147 of 332
Thread Starter 
I've updated the first post, so at least has something relevant in it. I wasn't planning to update it further, unless there is something others want me to put in it?
post #148 of 332
So from what our LG guy says, there may after all be a value for Byte 4 that allows BD Region freedom. I thought that perhaps this value wouldn't show up as a named, official model in the System Log, so the best way to test it would be to go through all the possible values and try to play a Region B-locked disc, since the majority of the values would be meaningless and therefore default and therefore Region A.

I went through the first 32 values and found plenty that would play Region B but they were all official countries (07=Sweden, 08=Poland, 09=Hungary, 0A=Yugoslavia, 0B=Romania, 0C=Czech, 11=France, 12=Benelux, 13=Turkey, 14=Nth Africa, 15=Egypt, 1A=UK, 1B=Italy, 1C=Greece, 1D=Germany, 1E=Austria, 1F=Portugal, 20=Spain).

After that my BD started throwing out Disc Errors and refusing to read. I power cycled and the disc worked; I tried another couple of values and then got another Disc Error. Again, power-cycling fixed it but I got a bit freaked out and stopped testing. I'll play some more discs later and let you know if there are any problems. The LG guy did suggest that no permanent damage would result from tweaking the EEPROM values so maybe it just needs a complete power-down or a factory reset, or maybe it's fine and the disc just got smudged.

Anyway, I would counsel caution but also ask if anyone else with a Region B-locked BD handy might like to try another range of values outside what I've tried (ie 00-20). Just don't overdo it at this stage
post #149 of 332
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

So from what our LG guy says, there may after all be a value for Byte 4 that allows BD Region freedom.

It sounds that way.

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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

The LG guy did suggest that no permanent damage would result from tweaking the EEPROM values

That's not "exactly" what they said:

" No long term damage, this is how it is done in the factory.

I guess I should put a word of caution about changing the menu numbers. There is a chance of bricking a unit. I do not have a list of numbers that will do this so just a word of caution for everyone. For people who have the ability to return the unit to a store for exchange, no fears change the menu to whatever you like and see what happens."


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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

After that my BD started throwing out Disc Errors and refusing to read.

Crikey careful Peter. I'd hate for you to brick your player. I don't think it's worth it when we can switch between RA and RB and many titles are Region Free anyway. Great work otherwise though, thanks.

My hunch is we've come as far as we're likely to come.

I plan to leave mine on RA and switch it to RB for the odd title that is Exclusive to Europe or Australia but is also RB.

The only RB title that interested me was the German 12 Monkeys (which is RB) but that's out on Universal HD-DVD anyway. I only know of EIV in the UK and Concorde in Germany that release Region B across their range and all the Australian companies releasing on BD/HD-DVD are from International companies like Universal, none of the Aussie only labels have started releasing on BD yet.
post #150 of 332
Yeah, well I reckon I'll bow out for now. I've got a Region B PS3 as well, I don't strictly need to change the BH200's region. It's just the thrill of the chase!
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