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post #121 of 5660
Yeah rommy, dead is a good way to describe it, the 720p, and even the LG looked way better than the a550.. I hope it was a settings thing because I have been kind of excited about this set and it's decent price point for it's size..
Could be the connection, but aren't they all connected the same way ? which would make all things even in that respect..
btw. I was at the clearwater store..
post #122 of 5660
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Originally Posted by keiperrc View Post

Yeah rommy, dead is a good way to describe it, the 720p, and even the LG looked way better than the a550.. I hope it was a settings thing because I have been kind of excited about this set and it's decent price point for it's size..
Could be the connection, but aren't they all connected the same way ? which would make all things even in that respect..
btw. I was at the clearwater store..

It definitely had to be the connection. This plasma has excellent picture quality.
post #123 of 5660
As of right now, I am not sure if it will be the 5084 or the 550 (leaning toward the 550) yet, but when I do I have one question...

Should I be concerned about these price shopping - "photo sites" that have the 550 and 5084 for $1700-1900 delivered?

The BB and CC around me don't have the 550's under $2200-2300 near me and I am way too frugal to ignore a $300-500 price difference.
Of course they would need to be an authorized dealer that backs the mfg 1yr warranty, but what else am I exposing myself to?


btw, brand new to the site but love the feedback.
post #124 of 5660
I to am in the market for a new tv, its going to be for gaming and movies.

like the above poster ive noticed both the 5058 and 550 models and they are the same price? which is better? i havn't seen either in person, will they both work awsome for gaming and movies? better than the new samy lcds?

i just want to make the right choice, i tend to overwork myself over these things
post #125 of 5660
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Originally Posted by TrueDis View Post

When exactly is AVSForum going to implement stupidfilter?

Maybe you should use it on yourself. The 3D demos at CEDIA and CES on Samsung DLPs were damn impressive... 3D from normal DVDs (no HD yet, but the SD demos made SD look much better than normal.

I thought the 3-D feature was an exclusive TI/DLP thing and not adaptable to other displays.

Unfortunately, the 3-D software for PCs was't very reliable last time I tried it outside of the show demos, but presumably an update or 2 would settle it down. At the show they showed clips from Star Wars 2 and 4 in 3-D from the SD DVDs - both were damn impressive. A NASCAR clip showed promise from some camera angles, but wasn't impressive from others.

3-D was also demoed on still photos taken with any normal digital camera and those were also very impressive.
post #126 of 5660
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Originally Posted by big papa View Post

As of right now, I am not sure if it will be the 5084 or the 550 (leaning toward the 550) yet, but when I do I have one question...

Should I be concerned about these price shopping - "photo sites" that have the 550 and 5084 for $1700-1900 delivered?

The BB and CC around me don't have the 550's under $2200-2300 near me and I am way too frugal to ignore a $300-500 price difference.
Of course they would need to be an authorized dealer that backs the mfg 1yr warranty, but what else am I exposing myself to?


btw, brand new to the site but love the feedback.

i always use price grabber or nextag. just be sure to read the reviews. you will find that the bg box stores have the worst ratings. i never had a problem with samsung honoring their warranty.
post #127 of 5660
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Originally Posted by keiperrc View Post

Yeah rommy, dead is a good way to describe it, the 720p, and even the LG looked way better than the a550.. I hope it was a settings thing because I have been kind of excited about this set and it's decent price point for it's size..
Could be the connection, but aren't they all connected the same way ? which would make all things even in that respect..
btw. I was at the clearwater store..

i think i'm going to wait for panasonic to come out with their new 58in. i already have a 50in. 720 panny which i love, and i have a sammy hls6187 dlp which breaks on a constant basis.
post #128 of 5660
I see here that you have had the opportunity to test and analyze both the 5084 and the 550 . now I had the 5084 and loved the picture Pc hooked up at 1920x1080 looked grate. Its just that did you know that the 5084 is Ultra Filter Bright - and the 550 . is Only Filter Bright. .. can you see any difference between the two with the blackness or darkness of the glass screen . I really think that the Ultra Filter Bright improves the quality of the picture, please tell me if you see a big difference thanks.
post #129 of 5660
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Originally Posted by jaymerkramer View Post

The 550 is like the 5084 in regards to this, is will accept a 1080p/24 signal but displays it at 60hz. I have my ps3 set at 24( I have the 5084 but have tested on the 550) and it seems to look better to me but when switching back and forth it is really hard to tell, it may be more of a placebo effect. In any case I just leave the ps3 set at 24.

I see here that you have had the opportunity to test and analyze both the 5084 and the 550 . now I had the 5084 and loved the picture Pc hooked up at 1920x1080 looked grate. Its just that did you know that the 5084 is Ultra Filter Bright - and the 550 . is Only Filter Bright. .. can you see any difference between the two with the blackness or darkness of the glass screen . I really think that the Ultra Filter Bright improves the quality of the picture, please tell me if you see a big difference thanks.
post #130 of 5660
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Originally Posted by big papa View Post

Should I be concerned about these price shopping - "photo sites" that have the 550 and 5084 for $1700-1900 delivered?

I usually consult resellerratings.com when I have a question about an online vendor -- you can learn a whole lot that way!

I have an order in for the pn58a550 via big river... wish me luck!

AVSF Newbie
post #131 of 5660
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Originally Posted by etw926 View Post

I have had the 50" A550 now for 13 days, and have nothing but good things to say about it. The picture quality is superb, and I have already logged in 156 hours on it without using any break-in settings. I have had no IR or burn-in issues.

Hi there, how do you compare the picture quality to last years model FPT5084, is it brighter ?
does it make crackling sounds ?
What does standard definition look like ?
what is the sound quality like ?
post #132 of 5660
hi, could you clear something up for me?

some here claim that the PN50A550 does NOT have the ULTRA FilterBright but just the normal filterbright.

But the Samsung US website clearly states that it has ULTRA FilterBright http://pages.samsung.com/us/hd/?cat=1&jn=true&inn=5
post #133 of 5660
Just got my 550 and the box it came in has FilterBright printed on the outside. The owners manual does not say anything about FilterBright at all.

You are correct, the website clearly states Ultra FilterBright....
post #134 of 5660
do you see a pinkish touch or maybe the waves:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv...7HDX/moire.jpg
post #135 of 5660
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Originally Posted by Con.B View Post

Hi there, how do you compare the picture quality to last years model FPT5084, is it brighter ?
does it make crackling sounds ?
What does standard definition look like ?
what is the sound quality like ?


Hi there, how do you compare the picture quality to last years model FPT5084, is it brighter ? I have never seen the FPT5084 so I can't compare.

does it make crackling sounds ? I haven't heard any crackling or buzzing.

What does standard definition look like ? SD looks good, but HD looks amazing.

what is the sound quality like ?[/quote] I have a surround sound system so I don't know what the tv speakers sound like.
post #136 of 5660
looks like i will wait for the 750.it has Ultra Filter Bright, to me is very important i had the 5084 that to had -u-f-b- and the colors looked way richer and the screen was darker then the 550 which only has Filter Bright.
Samsung need not get away with this crap . and we should all complain about the false information on there website stating that the 550 was Ultra Filter Bright and clearly now that is not the case and the consumer gets the end of the stick . we need to let them know . i have already sent a letter and spoke with a few people in the marketing department , and any one who purchased a 550 thinking it has Ultra Filter Bright should take it out with Samsung . good luck
post #137 of 5660
its actually the 650 now, everyone should start calling it that so we don't all get confused :P
post #138 of 5660
does the PN50A550 have a 20,000:1 ratio or 30k? I am getting conflicting info from different sites. Can anyone tell the difference b/n 20-30k vs. the 15k that the FPT5084 has?
post #139 of 5660
Howdy, I'm brand new to this site and to Plasma/HD/Blu-Ray etc. so I hope I don't sound completely foolish (I think I've done a "decent" amount of research).

I bought a nice shiny new 50" Samsung PN50A550 last week along with a PS3 for Blu-Ray.

Setup was easy and the picture quality is phenomenal! As I'm sure many people who just spent $2500 are (especially those like me who've never owned a plasma), I was pretty nervous about burn-in and image retention. Imagine my horror when after playing a little poker (about 20 minutes) on Xbox 360 I noticed very visible image retention on stationary parts of the screen! Since I'm well under the typically suggested 100 hour break-in period I've now toned down the contrast to 50, cell light to 0 and made some other black level adjustments.

What I'd like to know is:

1) Is this typical? Should I be worried? I know in general burn-in and image retention aren't a real issue anymore. But, should I be concerned that I may have a faulty TV since I'm experiencing this?

2) If this is normal does anyone have suggestion(s) on settings, usage, etc. that I should be using during the break-in period?

3) I bought my TV from Best Buy and did NOT get the 4 year warranty. I've got a few weeks to go back and add that should I feel the need. Should I? For some reason I always feel like those extended warranties are just an easy way for companies to make more cash. Maybe I'm wrong?

This site has been very informative so far, thanks for your responses!

-Pil
post #140 of 5660
There seems to be a ton of confusion out there (me included) about the 2008 Samsung plasma's. If I'm reading all the replies in this thread correctly, what was going to be the 7 series (PN58A750) is now going to be the 6 series (PN58A650)? The 5 series apparently hasn't changed since it was originally announced (PN58A550)? I called a local electronics retailer in Michigan and he had the 650 in his system due to arrive at the end of May at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $4199. They weren't carrying the 550 at all.

I did a little more research and whoever said the 3D technology is not in the 5 series seems to be correct. Two different sources pointed towards it not being there and Samsung has nothing on their site about it. This isn't a big concern for me though 3D XBox and PS3 games could be fun.

Also, for those interested in the PN58A550, I found it on Amazon.com for a pretty good price. That said, their page is filled with misinformation about the set as well.
  • They list the model as PN58A550S which I would guess is a typo since I've never seen that S on the end anywhere else.
  • They only list that bogus 100,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. Other sites seem to show an actual contrast ratio of either 20,000:1 or 30,000:1. Who know's what's correct at this point but since this is such a subjective measurement I'm not sure it really matters.
  • They do show "3D Ready for 3D gaming" as a feature.
  • Their technical details shows the model as PN42A450P1DXZA.

I'd like to assume this is the correct TV but who knows what I'll get. No one in the area has these in stock or seems to know when they will be available.
post #141 of 5660
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Originally Posted by dtodd6262 View Post

There seems to be a ton of confusion out there (me included) about the 2008 Samsung plasma's. If I'm reading all the replies in this thread correctly, what was going to be the 7 series (PN58A750) is now going to be the 6 series (PN58A650)? The 5 series apparently hasn't changed since it was originally announced (PN58A550)? I called a local electronics retailer in Michigan and he had the 650 in his system due to arrive at the end of May at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $4199. They weren't carrying the 550 at all.

I did a little more research and whoever said the 3D technology is not in the 5 series seems to be correct. Two different sources pointed towards it not being there and Samsung has nothing on their site about it. This isn't a big concern for me though 3D XBox and PS3 games could be fun.

Also, for those interested in the PN58A550, I found it on Amazon.com for $2,829.46 with free shipping. If you use an Amazon.com credit card you can also get it for 12 months without interest or payments. That seems to be the cheapest price I can find.

That said, their page is filled with misinformation about the set as well.
  • They list the model as PN58A550S which I would guess is a typo since I've never seen that S on the end anywhere else.
  • They only list that bogus 100,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. Other sites seem to show an actual contrast ratio of either 20,000:1 or 30,000:1. Who know's what's correct at this point but since this is such a subjective measurement I'm not sure it really matters.
  • They do show "3D Ready for 3D gaming" as a feature.
  • Their technical details shows the model as PN42A450P1DXZA.

I'd like to assume this is the correct TV but who knows what I'll get. No one in the area has these in stock or seems to know when they will be available.

Samsung lists their Dynamic contrast ratio as 1,000,000:1 and the Contrast
ratios as 30,000:1 for the 550 and 20,000:1 for the 42A450.I have no idea
what the difference is between Dynamic Contrast and "regular" contrast
Quick start guide identifies the 550 as PN58A550S1F
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...00Eng_0212.pdf
post #142 of 5660
PLEASE NO PRICE TALKS!! That big river price is not the lowest anyway.


I have a question for the owneres of PN58A550. I hope someone can help.

What is the measurement of the base of this TV?
How far does it extend forward from the front of the tv bezel?

If any good soul can measure this for me, I would greatly appreciate your help.
post #143 of 5660
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Originally Posted by Pil View Post

Imagine my horror when after playing a little poker (about 20 minutes) on Xbox 360 I noticed very visible image retention on stationary parts of the screen! Since I'm well under the typically suggested 100 hour break-in period I've now toned down the contrast to 50, cell light to 0 and made some other black level adjustments.
...

-Pil

First, I think proper break-in is very important for plasmas.
Second, about burn-in. I believe modern plasmas have "artificial" burn in implemented on purpose. It retains the static pic for a while, artificially. It does not cause real burn-in, and actually helps avoid it. It also helps with plasma response time.
Read the manual about burn-in handling and prevention.
I would not suggest using a plasma as a pc monitor (or for a game that is static 90% of the time, like cards).
post #144 of 5660
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Originally Posted by big papa View Post

does the PN50A550 have a 20,000:1 ratio or 30k? I am getting conflicting info from different sites. Can anyone tell the difference b/n 20-30k vs. the 15k that the FPT5084 has?

Frankly, contrast ratio claims are complete bullcrap. Here's why:

Let's say you have a display with "perfect black" - that means it is REALLY black when it is supposed to be black. It has a contrast ratio of infinity. Doesn't matter how bright the picture is or how dim, the contrast ratio will be infinity.

OK. Let's say the set will output 80 fL for 100% white and .01 fL for black. The contrast ratio is 8000:1 but the blacks aren't very black. If the set outputs 80 fL but blacks measure .001 fL, the contrast ratio is 80,000:1 but it's no brighter than before. But the blacks are much better.

Your eye can deal with contrast ratios of about 800:1 (some say it's closer to 600:1).

So you don't need high contrast ratios. What you need are black blacks to make images look good. But contrast ratio will not tell you how black the blacks are nor how white the whites are.

And another thing. White levels for plasmas change DRASTICALLY depending on how much of the screen is illuminated - fill the screen with white and you may not get more than 18 fL for 100% white. Put a "window" up that fills only 10% of the screen and you might measure 45 fL. The dirty secret of plasma manufacturers is that they use TINY white squares when they measure contrast ratio so they get the brightest possible white spot on the screen... many use a 4% window... meaning it covers just 4% of the screen, though some are trying to use a 1% window when they have meters that will measure that small of a physical spot on the screen. So contrast measurements are a boondoggle.

If you set the display to a REASONABLE luminance level, like 25 fL for a 10% sized window, you are limiting the peak light levels considerably... perhaps to 50% of what the panel is capable of for a 10% sized window. But if the blacks are really black, you'll still have an infinity contrast ratio. If the blacks aren't real black, you'll have something less than infinity and raising the luminance beyond 25 fL will make the contrast ratio larger, but you really don't want the picture any brighter than 25 fL anyway or you'll get a headache in a dark room after an hour or so.
post #145 of 5660
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Originally Posted by Pil View Post

Howdy, I'm brand new to this site and to Plasma/HD/Blu-Ray etc. so I hope I don't sound completely foolish (I think I've done a "decent" amount of research).

I bought a nice shiny new 50" Samsung PN50A550 last week along with a PS3 for Blu-Ray.

Setup was easy and the picture quality is phenomenal! As I'm sure many people who just spent $2500 are (especially those like me who've never owned a plasma), I was pretty nervous about burn-in and image retention. Imagine my horror when after playing a little poker (about 20 minutes) on Xbox 360 I noticed very visible image retention on stationary parts of the screen! Since I'm well under the typically suggested 100 hour break-in period I've now toned down the contrast to 50, cell light to 0 and made some other black level adjustments.

What I'd like to know is:

1) Is this typical? Should I be worried? I know in general burn-in and image retention aren't a real issue anymore. But, should I be concerned that I may have a faulty TV since I'm experiencing this?

2) If this is normal does anyone have suggestion(s) on settings, usage, etc. that I should be using during the break-in period?

3) I bought my TV from Best Buy and did NOT get the 4 year warranty. I've got a few weeks to go back and add that should I feel the need. Should I? For some reason I always feel like those extended warranties are just an easy way for companies to make more cash. Maybe I'm wrong?

This site has been very informative so far, thanks for your responses!

-Pil

Image retention is extremely variable from manufacturer to manufacturer... well, plasma panels are mostly pretty susceptible to image retention... except the new Pioneer Kuros which are less susceptible than any plasma I've experienced so far. A lower cost Panasonic plasma, about 1 year old would retain images in 15 seconds!!!! And that panel had well over 1000 hours on it.

The Samsung 550 will retain images like the adjustment menu pretty easily on a new panel - after a minute or less, if you put up a black screen, you can see retained image. But there's not a lot of hours on the one I have yet. The Pioneer Kuro was very sensitive for the first 50 hours, then it tapered off noticeably until at 300 hours+ I never saw it unless I did something inappropriate like leave TV on a 4:3 channel with black sidebars for several hours.

I would say this Samsung is not nearly as bad re. image retention as that year old Panasonic, but the Samsung is not great re. image retention... not close to the Pioneer Kuros. I wouldn't recommend using one of these panels for gaming (at least not if image retention doesn't improve (lessen) with 100-200 hours on the panel). LCDs are your best bet by far for gaming. Try the Scroll feature in the Detailed adjust menu to remove the image retention. It removed 4:3 image retention lines on this 550 after running for a little over an hour. In fact, that Scroll feature is probably the best way to age the screen for 100-200 hours to see if image retention becomes less sensitive with some accumulated hours. I'd left the TV on HBO HD overnight to age the screen since they always show 16:9 images and rarely have a logo on the screen - but when I got up, the box had changed to Speed Channel (standard def) to record a program (it's an HD DVR box) so when I went downstairs this morning , it was on a 4:3 channel with black side bars (because the DVR box converts everything to 1080i... the TV sees the 1080i signal and doesn't know it needs gray sidebars. If the DVR had a setting that wouldn't convert the video, I'd use that, but I don't have that option on this box. So I'll just let the Scroll pattern run when I'm not watching the TV. In 8 days, it will have 200+ hours on it then I'll see if image retention has lessened at all.
post #146 of 5660
Sorry I edited the original post and removed the $$$. I visited the local CC this morning and they had many PN58A550 units in stock but none on display. Within about 5 minutes one was out of the box and on the wall. It was next to a Samsung FP-T5884 which itself was next to a Panasonic TH-58PZ700U. I fiddled with the display on all 3 units for about 15 minutes and then stood back and watched them for a while. The 550 had noticeably better whites and blacks than either of the other two. My wife who was more than likely annoyed and bored came over and told me that without any prompting and I'm sure she had no clue what to look for.

Obviously this was in a big box store with terrible light and I'm definitely a neophyte at this so take the review with a grain of salt. I was very impressed by the quality and really the only other screen that came close or surpassed it in brightness or clarity was actually a 52" Samsung LCD (no clue what model). The two images were very close in brightness but I thought the LCD won by a hair. The one thing I didn't like was the price but a salesperson offered to match online pricing. I ended up with a great deal and they are actually delivering it in the next hour or so.

I will post the base dimensions once it gets here.
post #147 of 5660
PN58A550 Base dimensions:

Approx. 29" x 14". The base sticks out about 5.75" from the front and about 4.5" from the back. The TV is about 3.5" thick.

The base is not perfectly rectangular. It is slightly wider in the middle, slightly convex on top, and the corners are rounded.

The base joint allows for the TV to be swiveled from side to side.
post #148 of 5660
Thanks, FasterTiVoPlease, just what i needed!
Your help has been priceless.
Thanks dtodd6262!

One more thing regarding image retention.
I have 2 very old plasmas, both Panny, one 8 years old, one 5 years old. They are both used for TV exclusively, mostly 4x3. There is NO image retained up to this moment. No tv station logo, no black bars, nothing. The colors got slightly pale comparing to modern plasmas, but that could be solely because modern plasmas are more colorful.
I also have a year old Panny, and on that one i notice clearly that a static image displayed for 20+ seconds get "burnt in" - I call this "artificial" burn in, as the retained image disappears after a few seconds of changing the picture content. I believe this is a feature in the modern plasmas that helps eliminate real burn in and helps power management. If I turn this TV on now and display a plain screen, there is NO image retained whatsoever.
post #149 of 5660
Just did my first pass at the 550 with a couple movies... Unbelievable picture quality.... Running with PS3 HMDI connections... the picture is excellent. I am comparing it to a 4 year old Pioneer Elite rear projection....

I'll fill in more details soon...

Very happy with the 550 picture quality.
post #150 of 5660
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Originally Posted by the_fram View Post

Just did my first pass at the 550 with a couple movies... Unbelievable picture quality.... Running with PS3 HMDI connections... the picture is excellent. I am comparing it to a 4 year old Pioneer Elite rear projection....

I'll fill in more details soon...

Very happy with the 550 picture quality.

The other day i was at a PC Richard trying to find this series in stock and on display. None were avail. However there was a 58 of the prev generation, right next to a 57 LCD (do not recall the brand). Both TVs were showing ESPN, and at the moment, there was two commentators talkiing about something, with a gray panel wth logos behind them, in shadow. Ths LCD showed the panel much better - more gray gradations, I could actually see the panel and all the imperfections on it. The plasma was just showing complete darkness instead of the panel, it was even difficult to see the panel, if not for that LCD, i would have never guessed it was there.
I believe that plasma was just calibrated too dark.

People how does a550 handle black level detail?

Thanks
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