Originally Posted by prometheis_78063
No, I couldn't tell 10w/ch diff. Again the upscaling and phono connections are key. Why do u think HD radio will go away when the trend in the A/V world IS HD? If you can tell me how to connect my (amplified) turntable to the the 663 I will more than consider it! I figure video switching/upscaling can be done on the video side anyway. So..... thoughts/suggestions/inputs?
Hi prometheis... Hopefully this will help you with your decision...On Upscaling
First, this is only relevant if you are unhappy with the quality of the current upscaling by your television for analog/non-HD sources... For me, I have 2 SD TiVos, an Oppo DVD player and a Wii (and my Oppo already has the same Faroudja video processing that the 863 has, so I should probably take this one out of the mix)... You may have more (VCR, etc...). I will likely retire my two SD TiVos in the next year or so, and that will leave the Wii... So my list of relevant sources that need this upscaling is diminishing... Again, your mileage may vary...
Second, this is only worth it if you believe the arguably slight improvement in clarity is worth the price difference. Upscalers are not miracle workers. It will "take the edge" off of the fuzzy pictures, but it can't add significant clarity where clarity does not exist.
I am not going to argue the upscaling decision. This is completely a subjective personal taste issue... For the few analog sources I have left (and diminishing all the time) I feel that my TV and DVD upscalers are working fine for me.On Phono Input
A phonograph/turntable can be added to any receiver that has an open RCA input. The only thing you need to add is a phono preamp which can be purchased on Amazon or Radio Shack. There are various levels of "quality", and you can decide for yourself how much you want to invest in to add your phonograph/turntable. Go do a search on Amazon for "Phono Preamp" and you will find products from $20 to $250...the sweet spot seems to be about $50.On "Trend in AV World is HD"
The trend in video is high definition. As stated earlier, HD Radio is not high definition radio... It is "Hybrid Digital" radio... This may get wildly successful...it may be a dismal failure (think about what happened to AM Stereo...). I don't even listen to regular radio...all of my content is from my library... I'll listen to the radio in the car... A lot of people are predicting that HD radio needs a lot more support and a lower price point to be successful... I personally think it is deceptive of them to market this as "HD" to ride the High Definition video bandwagon...but that's just me... On this one, you need to decide if you want to roll the dice...Last Comments
I was in the same shoes that you were in a few weeks/months ago... I was thinking about the 863... I wanted upscaling. I have a turntable that I want to hook up. But after drawing the conclusions above, I made the personal decision to go with the 663... With the J&R discount, this was a no brainer to me... Previous to this new purchase, I spent $1,000 on the Yamaha RX-V1050 (15 years ago). I started my shopping experience thinking that I would seek out another ~$1K receiver... But what I found was that receiver value/pricing has changed in the last 15 years... For me to seek out another ~$1K receiver is like looking for a $500 CD or DVD player today... You can get a lot more for your money now... And no...I am not fooling myself into believing that I just bought the most state of the art AVR at a value price... I got a value receiver...and a pretty darn good one at that...
Anyway, I hope that helps you in your own personal decision making process...