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post #31 of 102
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Originally Posted by PAD View Post

This unit is more than what is stated here. It is phenomenal. 3 dimensional. Details. Music versus sound.

I am thrilled you are happy! I know my recommendation had a little to do with it
post #32 of 102
a great read rydefan, and excellent to see your really your enjoying it all so much. I've never come across the modright, not a brand that I know is available in my country but looks like fabulously well made and well put together stuff.

have always loved a touch of the tubes myself. and great to see you getting benefits from both the 2ch pre and pwr upgrades.

can only hope your review here only encourages more people to check out what seems to be such fabulous stuff !
post #33 of 102
Excellent review. I admit to being squeamish about tube gear - I remember spending way too much time and money replacing tubes in those old tube based TVs. But after sampling a lot of SS preamps in recent months, including some I liked in some ways but not all, I keep coming back to my Citation 7.0 as a favorite. The 7.0 does not use tubes, but its principal architect was Jim Fosgate, who is a tube lover, and he seemed to have captured a lot of the tube sound in the 7.0's analog bypass. For whatever reason, the 7.0 gives the closest thing to a "live" performance of any SS preamp I have tried so far, including the Innersound line stage (Coda); Plinius M-8; and the Bel Canto Pre6. The 7.0 is not quite perfect, but neither is anything else out there. In the bass it is deep but not quite as firm and dynamic as some (the Pre6 was better) and maybe not as sweet in the upper highs as some, but in the all-important mid-range it is just incredible. It is very easy to listen with eyes closed and believe the performer is right there in the room a few feet in front of you. The 7.0 is the only preamp I have heard that produces a fully 3 dimensional quality to performers, and a soundstage that is wider than the speakers. And considering how cheaply it goes at Audiogon it is a veritable steal.
post #34 of 102
Did anyone catch the review of the ModWright SWL 9.0SE Special Edition and 9.0SE Signature Edition in the April issue of TAS? How close are these to the LS 36.5?
post #35 of 102
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Did anyone catch the review of the ModWright SWL 9.0SE Special Edition and 9.0SE Signature Edition in the April issue of TAS? How close are these to the LS 36.5?

I would say the 9.0SE is probably 85% of the 36.5. However, Srajan of 6moons find it to be a wider margin than that.
post #36 of 102
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

a great read rydefan, and excellent to see your really your enjoying it all so much. I've never come across the modright, not a brand that I know is available in my country but looks like fabulously well made and well put together stuff.

have always loved a touch of the tubes myself. and great to see you getting benefits from both the 2ch pre and pwr upgrades.

can only hope your review here only encourages more people to check out what seems to be such fabulous stuff !

Thanks so much for the nice words. I have not updated this thread in a little bit as I have been busy listening to music and also exploring some very interesting tube rolling combinations. I will update soon with some of my findings.
post #37 of 102
I think someone commented earlier about our pre occupation with the format war and its possible impact on our attention to audio. I'm sure there were those of us tuned into audio but it still stands true that video and all things HD have been the dominant force for awhile now. Now that we have a clear winner in HD, perhaps we can spend some more time discussing SQ. Threads like this one are a good start.
post #38 of 102
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I think someone commented earlier about our pre occupation with the format war and its possible impact on our attention to audio. I'm sure there were those of us tuned into audio but it still stands true that video and all things HD have been the dominant force for awhile now. Now that we have a clear winner in HD, perhaps we can spend some more time discussing SQ. Threads like this one are a good start.

Great point. For me, it wasn't the format war as much, but just everything that goes along with the ever changing technology in HT. So much attention to what version of HDMI, new digital formats, 5.1 to 7.1, and on and on.

I finally got sick of it, especially as someone that doesn't even what that much TV or movies! I felt like too much attention was going to technology and I was forgetting what got me into it in the first place, the MUSIC!

I am moving soon and will finally have a dedicated room for my 2 channel rig, which I CANNOT WAIT FOR!

Once that is all complete (if there is ever such a thing) I am sure I will put together another HT setup for the TV room, but no rush, as I find there is a lot more good music out there than good movies or TV shows.
post #39 of 102
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

I would say the 9.0SE is probably 85% of the 36.5. However, Srajan of 6moons find it to be a wider margin than that.

I've owned both. The 9.0 SWL SE is about 80% of the LS 36.5 but then again the 36.5 can go balanced, which ups it another 5-10%. Also, I own the dual mono two box solution (separate dual mono, dual rectified power supply) of the LS/PS 36.5 and it ups the ante again..too (Dan say as much as the 9.0 to 36.5 jump; can't wait for Srajan's review of the dual mono version).

(Note: Now that Mick is shutting down his wonderful Aussie-built Supratek production Srajan will need to say the 36.5 is the hi-end preamp to own, under $15k. Jeff Dorgay of Tone Audio says it beats the $20k+ MacIntosh flagship pre. )

However...all that being said, the 9.0 is a very very good tube preamp, with HT bypass, that you can get "preowned" and broken-in on Audiogon for like $1200. A steal if there ever was one.
post #40 of 102
I just found out about the transporter in another thread and also saw the website with the modwright mods to it. Doesn't the modright mod to the transporter add a modwright preamp to the insides? If so would a plain unmodded transporter with the modright LS 36.5 be just as good, or at least 99.9% as good?

jcg

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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

You bet!

My system is:

Dali Helicon 5 channel system (400 for Fronts, C200 Center, Helicon In-Walls for Rears)
Modwright modified Transporter (Source)
Modwright LS 36.5 (2 channel pre)
Integra 9.8 (Home Theater SSP)
Cary Cinema 5 (Amp)
SVS PB-13 Ultra (Sub)
Velodyne SMS-1 (Sub-EQ)
Oppo 980 (SACD & DVD-Audio)
Pioneer 95 Elite (Blu-Ray)
Toshiba HD-A35 (HD DVD)
Balanced Power Technology (Power Conditioner)
Synergistic Research Telsa Accelerator (Speaker Cable)
Soundstring Technology (interconnects for source and pre)
Blue Jeans 1800F (interconnects for 9.8)
Nordost Silver Screen (HDMI and Component Cables)
post #41 of 102
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Originally Posted by jcg View Post

Doesn't the modright mod to the transporter and a modwright preamp to the insides?
jcg

Not sure what this means. ? But if you are asking if a plain stock TP to the LS 36.5 sounds as good as a Modwright TP to the 36.5, then no, it doesn't. Otherwise why spend big bucks on having the TP modded? The Modwright TP was voiced with the 36.5 in mind, but it sounds great with any preamp (or some drive it straight to amp). The incredible tubed analog stage of the Modwright TP enhances the system; it is not redundant to the great analog stage of the 36.5 (or other great tubed preamps like BAT, ARC, Supratek, VTL).

My comments about the Modwright TP (I was Dan's first consumer TP customer) are in the 6Moons review.
post #42 of 102
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

You bet!

My system is:

Dali Helicon 5 channel system (400 for Fronts, C200 Center, Helicon In-Walls for Rears)
Modwright modified Transporter (Source)
Modwright LS 36.5 (2 channel pre)
Integra 9.8 (Home Theater SSP)
Cary Cinema 5 (Amp)
SVS PB-13 Ultra (Sub)
Velodyne SMS-1 (Sub-EQ)
Oppo 980 (SACD & DVD-Audio)
Pioneer 95 Elite (Blu-Ray)
Toshiba HD-A35 (HD DVD)
Balanced Power Technology (Power Conditioner)
Synergistic Research Telsa Accelerator (Speaker Cable)
Soundstring Technology (interconnects for source and pre)
Blue Jeans 1800F (interconnects for 9.8)
Nordost Silver Screen (HDMI and Component Cables)

rydenfan,

Incredible system! Some day when I have the room and money (always seems to be a shortage of) I would like a system like this. Something to look forward to, although I am quite happy with my system as it is. Especially since adding the Perseus pre-amp. One of the best upgrades I have done so far. I listened to music for most of yesterday and today. Two factors in my favor were lousy weather and I had the house all to myself.

Bill
post #43 of 102
I fixed my post it was supposed to say add not and. I guess I was asking since the modded TP can drive an amp directly, it seemed that much of the mod was adding a preamp to the TP. Or can a stock TP also drive an amp directly? If the modded TP has a preamp why send it through a second pre amp? So that's why I was wondering if a stock TP with a LS 36.5 would be as good since this is a much more flexible configuration.

jcg

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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post

Not sure what this means. ? But if you are asking if a plain stock TP to the LS 36.5 sounds as good as a Modwright TP to the 36.5, then no, it doesn't. Otherwise why spend big bucks on having the TP modded? The Modwright TP was voiced with the 36.5 in mind, but it sounds great with any preamp (or some drive it straight to amp). The incredible tubed analog stage of the Modwright TP enhances the system; it is not redundant to the great analog stage of the 36.5 (or other great tubed preamps like BAT, ARC, Supratek, VTL).

My comments about the Modwright TP (I was Dan's first consumer TP customer) are in the 6Moons review.
post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by jcg View Post

I fixed my post it was supposed to say add not and. I guess I was asking since the modded TP can drive an amp directly, it seemed that much of the mod was adding a preamp to the TP. Or can a stock TP also drive an amp directly? If the modded TP has a preamp why send it through a second pre amp? So that's why I was wondering if a stock TP with a LS 36.5 would be as good since this is a much more flexible configuration.

jcg

The modded TP is not a preamp. Not sure where you got that idea; it's still a source and a DAC, but instead of cheap opamps at the outputs, and an inexpensive power supply it has a completely new tubed analog stage after the DAC (instead of a cheaper soild state opamp-base done), and a massive internal power supply for much better sonics, less noise, and I feel even more detail, if that's possible. Modded or not, the Transporter, like any other digital source device that has a variable volume control, can be sent straight to an amp (using the digital volume control) or in fixed volume mode (like most sources) and sent to a preamp. In the case of Modwright, the Modwright Transporter's analog output was voiced so it would sound the best through the Modwright LS 36.5 preamp. No added functionality, just better parts. The stock TP was built within a certain price point; the Modwright version just takes it to a different (an in many opinions, better) level.
post #45 of 102
OK, I hadn't read much but what I saw in a few posts and when I saw it could be sent to an amp I assumed that meant it had a preamp. I thought the way it worked was a source put out a certain voltage range A, then that went to a preamp that expected it's inputs in that voltage A, then it amplified that to voltage range B which is what the power amp expected on it's inputs. So what you are saying is even an unmodded TP could directly drive a power amp? If so I didn't realize that's how it worked.

jcg

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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post

The modded TP is not a preamp. Not sure where you got that idea; it's still a source and a DAC, but instead of cheap opamps at the outputs, and an inexpensive power supply it has a completely new tubed analog stage after the DAC (instead of a cheaper soild state opamp-base done), and a massive internal power supply for much better sonics, less noise, and I feel even more detail, if that's possible. Modded or not, the Transporter, like any other digital source device that has a variable volume control, can be sent straight to an amp (using the digital volume control) or in fixed volume mode (like most sources) and sent to a preamp. In the case of Modwright, the Modwright Transporter's analog output was voiced so it would sound the best through the Modwright LS 36.5 preamp. No added functionality, just better parts. The stock TP was built within a certain price point; the Modwright version just takes it to a different (an in many opinions, better) level.
post #46 of 102
Alright rydenfan, I'm now making arrangements to obtain an LS 36.5 for audition. My budget's out the window and I blame you, and this thread.

The local dealer likes the Modwright very much, but also believes I should audition the VAC Sigma. Have you any experience in comparing these pre's? Yes, I know my opinion in my setup is the one that counts, but I thought I'd seek your expertise, as well.
post #47 of 102
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Alright rydenfan, I'm now making arrangements to obtain an LS 36.5 for audition. My budget's out the window and I blame you, and this thread.

Sorry about that If it makes you feel any better it happens to me all the time...
BTW, if you have not seen the 36.5 in person yet you are really in trouble, it is beautiful.

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The local dealer likes the Modwright very much, but also believes I should audition the VAC Sigma. Have you any experience in comparing these pre's? Yes, I know my opinion in my setup is the one that counts, but I thought I'd seek your expertise, as well.

VAC, is actually located in the same town as me and Kevin is a very nice guy. I was interested in the Renaissance Preamplifier Mk II because it is being discountinued and thus you can get a pretty good deal on them. I thought for sure I could organize an in-home audition seeing that my office is about 5 minutes from theirs, but they were not interested. Being that I already had the Modwright Transporter, I was more comfortable going with Dan. The only thing I can really say is that VAC is better known for their amps than their pre-amps. But please let me know how the audition goes for you.
post #48 of 102
Will do. May take some time as the dealer has none in stock and must first get the 36.5 from Dan. Same same for the VAC. Meanwhile, I'm absorbing the new sounds from the Rogues and Vantages. Gonna roll some tubes this week.
post #49 of 102
This is all great information and I hope that I am not about to derail the thread. Thanks for the review. I actually ran across the Transporter and the Modwright version elsewhere, but I have an account here so this is where I will start my posting about it. Here is my present system:

PS3 (Blu-ray & CD Transport)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD
Onkyo Pro 885SC (Same as Integra 9.8)
Monster Power Center HTS5000 mkII
Sunfire Cinema Grand 200/400 into 8/4
Full Monitor Audio GS HT (GS60 front, GS20 rear, GSLCR)
Pioneer PDP-5070 720p Plasma

I just got the speakers and the Onkyo within the last week, so they are both breaking in. I am thinking my next immediate purchase will be an Oppo 980 or 970 as a universal transport to the Onkyo since it can accept DSD along with everything else. I was pretty sold on the idea of a dedicated Redbook player or stereo SACD with great analog outs, but then I started doing research tonight for a music server/streaming player and immediately found the Transporter and Modwright version of it. I think I have decided I'd rather spend a little more money to get the Transporter than get a good Redbook or stereo SACD player.

Here is my curiosity... have any of you gotten the Transporter and then upgraded it a few months (6 or more) down the line? I have spent a pretty considerable amount of money lately and I haven't upgraded any ICs or Speaker Cables *yet* which I would also like to do. I am thinking getting the Transporter now would give me the freedom to digitize all my files Losslessly (through either FLAC or Apple's LL codec) and enjoy the Xporter for the next five to seven months before I drop another 2K on the Modwright tube rectifier & analog outputs. I realize it would be a net savings to just get the Modwright straight away, but I *may* find I like the Xporter perfectly well without the mod. I know the sq will be a big jump from what I am presently used to. I have also started looking at a good pre with HT bypass for after I get the Xporter. I am thinking the Modwright 9SE would probably work best for me, or possibly an Audio Horizons 2.1 TP is an option. I will go ahead and admit I am a huge sucker for the look of McIntosh C220 and C2200/2300. I love the look of the 36.5 but I am not certain I can justify the additional cost anytime soon. Would it be worth waiting another 6 months, using the Xporter direct to my Sunfire? Any advice or opinions would be appreciated.
post #50 of 102
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I just wanted to post a quick update:

I just found a very rare Phillips metal base 1950's GZ34 Rectifier Tube. As soon as I receive it I will post some impressions. I have been told it is a very special tube
post #51 of 102
Congrats !!! the whole tube mystique has always been gnawing away at the back of my mind for decades... ever since I heard the difference between solid state and vintage tube guitar amps! Makes sense that they effect a pre-amp in a similar fashion. I'm curious what equipment the vintage tubes were originally made for...
post #52 of 102
rydenfan and ted_b,

Have either of you thought about adding the new Modwright PS 36.5 Power Supply to your systems?
post #53 of 102
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Originally Posted by bostonbean View Post

rydenfan and ted_b,

Have either of you thought about adding the new Modwright PS 36.5 Power Supply to your systems?

I already have the dual mono LS 36.5 (mentioned in post 39 above); I upgraded several months ago. It is a 2 box preamp with an external power supply. In fact, Dan (Wright) and I just went through some newer tweaks on it and it sounds glorious. I use a pair of Tung Sol 5U4GB's in the PS, and of course, the great 6H30 DR's in the front-end. The upgrade from the single box to the dual mono is almost as significant as from the 9.0 to the 36.5.
post #54 of 102
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Originally Posted by ted_b View Post

I already have the dual mono LS 36.5 (mentioned in post 39 above); I upgraded several months ago. It is a 2 box preamp with an external power supply. In fact, Dan (Wright) and I just went through some newer tweaks on it and it sounds glorious. I use a pair of Tung Sol 5U4GB's in the PS, and of course, the great 6H30 DR's in the front-end. The upgrade from the single box to the dual mono is almost as significant as from the 9.0 to the 36.5.

Thanks for the reply. Missed post 39.

The Modwright 36.5 is sounding better and better.
post #55 of 102
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I would love to add the DM; however, my problem right now is that I dont know where I could fit it. It is roughly the same size as the 36.5
post #56 of 102
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

I just wanted to post a quick update:

I just found a very rare Phillips metal base 1950's GZ34 Rectifier Tube. As soon as I receive it I will post some impressions. I have been told it is a very special tube

Ahhh, but do you have any Mullard GZ34
post #57 of 102
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The Phillips metal base GZ34 is regarded as the best GZ34 on the planet. I also have a Mullard fat black base that I was previously using. The metal base Phillips is a significant step up. The fat base Mullard is now in my Modwright Transporter
post #58 of 102
Hmm
I had mullard gz34 as the rectifiers in my modded MKIII,s also tried some jan 5U4, I did not think it made a difference between the two and the mullards were far more $$
post #59 of 102
Like rydenfan, I ran a Mullard in my LS36.5 and then purchased a NOS Philips metal base. The Philips is much superior.
post #60 of 102
I've got an SWL 9.0se with tube rectified power supply on the way so I started looking for Mullards and the Phillips Metal Base GZ34. I found a place selling the Mullards for around $150 and the Phillips I found for around $650. Is that right?
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