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post #151 of 406
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Originally Posted by ron350 View Post

Just ordered one so I will see what they send hope it is another LL model.

Nope - just got my order - got the LS model (from freetvsignal).
post #152 of 406
Yep Freetvsignal sent a T3AP-LS with a Sanyo tuner as advertised.
Sanyo tuner #
UBD00AL
LOT FVIP

The Sanyo tuner in the T3AP-LS does not compare with the LG tuner in the T3AP-LL.
The LG tuner is more sensitive and has a cleaner crisper picture than the Sanyo tuner.

Hopefully some more free T3AP-LL boxes with the LG tuner will show up somewhere in the future.

Edit:
I am still looking for a T3AP-LL or another Artec that uses the same LG tuner.

Any one know what tuner is used in the T3AP Pro box?
post #153 of 406
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Originally Posted by ron350 View Post


The Sanyo tuner in the T3AP-LS does not compare with the LG tuner in the T3AP-LL.
The LG tuner is more sensitive and has a cleaner crisper picture than the Sanyo tuner.


I am still looking for a T3AP-LL or another Artec that uses the same LG tuner.

Any one know what tuner is used in the T3AP Pro box?


Researching this issue today and found one site stating the Pro uses the Sanyo tuner. Only place I found that has LLs for govt coupons is: http://www.dtvboxanswers.com/artect3apro.html . They're in stock at $2.99 plus approx $7.50 for shipping. (Check out their restrictive return policy prior to ordering.) Amazon has some merchants selling them for $20 or less w/o coupon. LS are still totally free and available at several sellers online.
post #154 of 406
Sundazing thanks for the information that means I am only looking for a free LL model.
If I have to pay $10 I will just go to K-Mart and buy another Zenith DTT901.
post #155 of 406
Saw an Artec converter box advertisement while looking at the TVGOS-based TV Guide listings:


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Artec logo

Digital Converter Box
Supports


"TV Guide logo" and "Guide Plus logo"





www.artecdtv.com
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Pressing left arrow to select the ad on the left changed the right panel to show:


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Artec Digital Converter Box Supports
TV Guide On Screen & Guide Plus Products


Purchase an Artec digital-to-analog converter box
that plugs into your existing television or VCR with
TV Guide On Screen or Guide Plus+ built in.

Now available for purchase at
www.artecdtv.com


Press right cursor > to return to Guide
---------------------------------------------------------

I've never seen something like this for the DTVPal.
So I thought it was interesting to see one for the Artec.

The DTVPal and the Artec T3APR-T are the only converter boxes with support for analog TVGOS devices, so far.

I've not heard anyone report on getting TVGOS listings from the Artec T3APR-T yet.

I imagine it works. But it would be nice to hear someone's experience with it.

for anyone curious:
TVGOS = TV Guide On Screen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVGOS

I used "DTVPal" as a catchall term for "Echostar TR-40", "DISH Network DTVPal", and "DISH Network DTVPal Plus", of course.
post #156 of 406
Even more interesting: if you go to the "Meritline" site, they also have a more expensive model listed (underneath the regular TVGOS converting one) that supposedly has TVGOS built into it.

That's the way it appears to be worded, anyway - but it has to be some kind of mistake, as it seems highly unlikely such a thing really exists, because it's not even listed on the Artec site itself.
post #157 of 406
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Originally Posted by kev4321 View Post

I've not heard anyone report on getting TVGOS listings from the Artec T3APR-T yet.

I imagine it works. But it would be nice to hear someone's experience with it.

There is somebody currently posting in the LG 3410a thread in the HDTV Recorders forum here that's trying to get one to work with his 3410a - but doesn't seem to be having any luck so far.
post #158 of 406
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

There is somebody currently posting in the LG 3410a thread in the HDTV Recorders forum here that's trying to get one to work with his 3410a - but doesn't seem to be having any luck so far.

Thanks. I found that a little while after I posted my message.

I googled site:avsforum.com tvgos t3apr-t

But to find their first message I looked at the previous pages in the thread looking for their name.

rljohnsen from 6/22/09 looks to be the first.

I guess the reason google didn't find it was because it was spelled "T3ARP-T" instead of "T3APR-T".

Unfortunately since the LG 3410A has TVGOS 7 this person's success may not be that great.

For anyone that has a TVGOS device but is unsure which version it is:
This mentions how to enter TVGOS's diagnostic mode so that you can see what version of TVGOS you have.
post #159 of 406
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Originally Posted by sundazing View Post

They're in stock at $2.99 plus approx $7.50 for shipping.

They want $10.74 to my door for S&H.
post #160 of 406
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Even more interesting: if you go to the "Meritline" site, they also have a more expensive model listed (underneath the regular TVGOS converting one) that supposedly has TVGOS built into it.

That's the way it appears to be worded, anyway - but it has to be some kind of mistake, as it seems highly unlikely such a thing really exists, because it's not even listed on the Artec site itself.

I just now finally got around to looking into this thing.

I googled meritline artec t3apr-t

"Artec Digital-to-Analog Converter Box, Model T3APR-T(TVG), Analog Pass-Through, TV Guide Subscription required for TV Guide Program"
Artec Model T3APR-T(TVG)
Item Number: 201-128-001
Sale: $59.99 ($59.99 Ea)

2 PCS Artec T3APR with TV GUIDE
Item Number: 201-128-002
Sale: $119.99 ($60.00 Ea)


Despite what their partially useless words say:
Code:
the 1st for $ 60 includes one T3APR-T.
the 2nd for $120 includes two T3APR-T.
The 2nd costs twice as much because it includes two converter boxes.

Lets break down the description of the 1st by removing words that don't carry much weight (because they are common for many converter boxes). Here's what's left:

"Artec T3APR-T(TVG), TV Guide Subscription required for TV Guide Program"

What? There is no subscription required for TVGOS (TV Guide On Screen) reception. They don't know what they are talking about. So their words are of questionable value.

Next lets look at the description of the 2nd item they are selling:
"2 PCS Artec T3APR with TV GUIDE"

2 PCS is short for 2 pieces, I imagine. Meaning you will get 2 converter boxes.


Anyway, I don't think there is anything out of the ordinary about what they are selling. They just have some misleading ("subscription required") and unclear words ("2 PCS").

update1(
http://onelook.com/?w=PCS

finds:

Stammtisch Beau Fleuve Acronyms for PCS

http://www.plexoft.com/SBF/P01.html#PCServ

PieCeS. Plurals of pc. and pc, resp. which links to:

pc., pc
PieCe. Traditional abbreviation uses period.

Often used without period by packagers and shippers. Plural pcs.
I'm thinking people just weren't paying close enough attention to catch on to this. At least I'm not seeing the pieces (PCS ) I put together as being that significant.
)
post #161 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by ron350 View Post

Yep Freetvsignal sent a T3AP-LS with a Sanyo tuner as advertised.
Sanyo tuner #
UBD00AL
LOT FVIP

The Sanyo tuner in the T3AP-LS does not compare with the LG tuner in the T3AP-LL.
The LG tuner is more sensitive and has a cleaner crisper picture than the Sanyo tuner.

Hopefully some more free T3AP-LL boxes with the LG tuner will show up somewhere in the future.

Edit:
I am still looking for a T3AP-LL or another Artec that uses the same LG tuner.

Any one know what tuner is used in the T3AP Pro box?

I just ordered two ARTEC T3AP-LL versions from meritline. Ok, so which is it...is the LS or LL the best tuner...

I hope I got the right ones. I've seen it both ways but more say the LL is better. By the way, the LS ones are like $2 higher. Did I screw up?
post #162 of 406
Yankee495 thanks for the post.

Please let us know if Meritline sends you the LL or the LS box.

Here is the link to their add.
http://www.meritline.com/searchnew.a...erm=artec+t3ap

Ron350
post #163 of 406
You bet I will. One is on its way already. I ordered a Sunkey and had them change it to an Artec also, so it will be a day later maybe.

But as you can see, they list them as LL & LS and the LS is $2.99 more!

Maybe they have it backwards like the pics that list the model as "TA3P" instead of the correct "T3AP"!

By backwards I mean, maybe they think the LS is the one people want!

I hope it's not me that screwed up.

So it is the LL everyone wants isn't it?
post #164 of 406
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Originally Posted by Yankee495 View Post

.......So it is the LL everyone wants isn't it?

i dont know.....but i have the older/earlier version b4 i think any other was available and they work just fine....tuner sensitivity and picture quality are both excellent...as good as my DN TR40 anyways....so whichever one u get it should be fine....

i just looked at my Artec T3AP product box and the converter itself and it doesnt say LL or LS ....just Artec T3AP or Artec T3AP Pro....i thought it did somewhere but i couldnt find it...mine were bought 11/08 and 12/08....
post #165 of 406
Yes, I seen that they used to be just plain "T3AP". And then meritline has them labeled in the graphic as TA3P and I was confused real good for a minute. Then I was on the hunt for the difference between LS & LL.

I mean, the LS must be better for some reason, it cost $2.99 more, right?

Well from what I read you want the LL with the LG tuner. The LS is a Sanyo tuner. We really need to get this straight from someone with both as I am only going to have two LL's.

I have a Zinwell 970A without the hidden guide (0920) and it is a pretty fair box. It picks up good and good picture and sound.

I don't like the guide, now/next and no description.

I just noticed meritline has a Artec LL and a Tivax T8 for $85.99 and you can use two coupons...free shipping....meaning a Tivax and Artec for $5.99!

I missed the good EPG in the Zinwell and now this!

I have one more coupon for a Tivax but it's gonna cost me $9.99.
post #166 of 406
Yankee495 save your last coupon for now and see how you like the Artec box.

I have an iNet SSR1921 (same as Tivex) and I do not like it.
post #167 of 406
Just got my first T3AP-LL. The box is labeled (not a sticker) T3AP-LL.
It has System Version # 2.1.1B.


The picture of the guide on the back (and in the pdf manuals online and the manual that comes with it) is nothing like the guide in the STB!

The guide in the STB is as follows:

Hitting EPG brings up a channel list on the left with date and time above it.

On the right I have 1/13 at the top with a list of shows (13 on this channel)

Left and right arrows moves you from channel list to show list.

Up and down scrolls channels/shows depending if you are on the channel or show list.

Scrolling on the channel list changes the shows listed on the right.

Hitting info on either side takes you to the main screen with a banner at the top that list show title, time, date ,length, DTV channel (12.2), Call letters KNSF-DT, and icons for CC etc.

On the banner hitting down arrow drops a box with show description. Hitting right arrow moves you to the next show with description.

You cannot scroll down the list in EPG screen, where mine list 1/13 and select say #10 and hit info and get info on that show. It exits that to the banner with info on now and next show.

My point about the model number being printed on the box and not being a sticker is that they reprinted the whole box, but left the pics of the old guide on the box and in the manual. This is the first Artec I have ever seen, but the guide in the STB does not match any I have seen. It's better.

OK, a guide ain't worth nothng without a picture, right.

I have a Zinwell 970A and it has a now/next EPG. It has a really good sharp picture and picks up really well.

The T3AP picks up all the channels that the Zinwell does so far. It is day time and some go out in the daytime because of all the noise etc. I'm talking about channels 80 miles away.

Today, the Zinwell was getting channel 10 at 51% strength and 3% quality. It was cutting in and out a bit...short breakups 3 or 4 times a minute.

The Artec has not lost this signal in 1 and 1/2 hours. Neither box is getting channel 3,27 or 33 which I only get after dark or so, but real good then (day time noise you know...cell phones, computers, cars and the sun its self makes noise).


The Zinwell is a great box, except for EPG but I can live with it.

The Artec has a more sensitive tuner (not a lot, but it counts, I can tell), better picture, and a way better EPG.

Both have nice menus etc. Both have good scanning and editing features like scan, manual scan, add, edit and delete etc.

The Artec does not have favorites like the Zinwell. It also does not have numbers on the signal meter which I really like about the Zinwell. It just has Bad__________Good and your signal is between there somewhere (hopefully)!

The Artec also beeps while the signal is being displayed and there is a button on the remote for that. I might get used to the beeps! They should be able to be turned off but so far as I can tell you can't.

Now for the remotes. Both are laid out pretty well, though different, whatever you're used to you know.

The Zinwell can be pointed at the wall, ceiling, yourself, anywhere, it just bounces all over the room and works. No so with the Artec. It has to be not directly, but more directly pointed at the box to work.

This is in the bed room where the lights are off and you just wanna point it any old where and have it work.

All in all either box is a really good solid box. It depends what you want.

I want a good EPG and the best reception I can get so it looks like the Artec wins. The picture qualiy of either will do, but the Artec is better.

A few minor things. The Artec is slower at channel changing. The Zinwell, when you hit ok, brought up a channel list on the right with a PIP of the channel currently selected. You could scroll down the list and view the whole picture and channel surf fairly quick. Can't do that with the Artec, but then again you may not have to with that nice EPG!

The Artec also has excellent cropping (Aspect ratio). Very good. Put it in a smaller format then swith to cropped and there is very little picture lost...if you can even tell.

I didn't aim to make this a comparison of the Zinwell and the Artec but I have read so many people saying "the best I'v seen" etc...and I'm thinking compared to what? 1950 B&W?

I'll try and get a pic of the EPG up.

I'm very happy with it and glad I have another one coming tomorrow!

But I ain't gonna trash the Zinwell either....good box.

The Zinwell is a really good box for an older person that just wants to watch TV and see what is on next. You know, channel up/down, volume up/down, and that is the only thing they want to know...and power off.....It pops up now/next just by changing channels...No need to hit EPG, info, nothing.

Ok, so you all don't run out and buy one expecting to get channels from 80 miles away on rabbit ears...

I'm using a VU-190XR at about 25 feet to get these channels. It had some ice storm damage but I repaired it and one element is missing...no clue where it went....kids playing swords maybe!

I'll try and get some pics up tonight.
post #168 of 406
Nice description!
I think the Zinwell has event timers and the ARTEC may not?
post #169 of 406
Does the Artec run hot? It seems to me that in many ways the Artec is a poor man's Zenith DTT901. Clearly much of its user interface is shared with the Zenith. I own a Zenith, and its great, but I have never used an Artec. However I did see one at a store and dismissed it because the box itself seemed incredibly dinky; I feared it would suffer a meltdown before long. The Zenith runs only *slightly* warm.

Thanks.


_Lazza
post #170 of 406
Hey Yankee, is your Artec supposed to be the "Pro?" I don't even know what the difference is supposed to be as Wiki doesn't show any obvious differences other than Energy Star compliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units).

The Zinwell is one of the few boxes with a program timer; combining that unique feature with a decent overall box is probably why so many brag about it.

Thanks for the review!
post #171 of 406
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Originally Posted by Floydage View Post

Hey Yankee, is your Artec supposed to be the "Pro?" I don't even know what the difference is supposed to be as Wiki doesn't show any obvious differences other than Energy Star compliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units).

The Zinwell is one of the few boxes with a program timer; combining that unique feature with a decent overall box is probably why so many brag about it.

Thanks for the review!

The Pro has channel up/down and volume up/down on a little ring around the power button. These just have a round power button.

Also my remote is all black, not like the one in the pic.

Below are pics of the EPG, info, and the signal meter (don't like it, might get used to it). Sorry about the pics, from my phone...good camera dead and wanted to get these up for you guys.

Comment of the EPG please? Is it different then the ones you guys have seen? I mean actually in a STB, not a manual etc.


LL
LL
LL
post #172 of 406
No, I wouldn't say hot....slightly warm after several hours...

No these are not Pros, just plain T3AP's (LL version, there is a LS version too). The say LL is an LG tuner and LS is a Sanyo tuner. The LL with LG tuner is said to be better. Can someone verify this?

No, there are no event timers like the Zinwell has.
post #173 of 406
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Originally Posted by Lazza View Post

Does the Artec run hot? It seems to me that in many ways the Artec is a poor man's Zenith DTT901. Clearly much of its user interface is shared with the Zenith.

I might even say the Zenith is a poor man's Artec since the Artec has a longer EPG. I've had two Artec non-pros for, I don't know, 10 months or whatever. No problem. Pic is much sharper than DTVPal, and the price was certainly right even back then. I don't know if the Zinwell is better since I don't have one.
post #174 of 406
Just got my second T3AP-LL and it seems to be as good as the first one.

I just seen a Sunkey 801. I ordered one and changed it to an Artec. Boy am I glad I did...

How about hearing from some of you LS guys?
post #175 of 406
System Version of your Artec?

I have 3 Artec boxes but I broke the first LL box.

#1 T3AP-LL received April 09
Serial # V1201W08480004##
073-0000-V12G02
System Version= ?
Did not have extended program guide.
LG tuner #TDVG-H152F .808A07111
Processor = LGDT1111T
0822
PA7967.00D


#2 T3AP-LS received May 09
Serial # V1202W08410006##
073-0000-V12G04
System Version = 2.0.1B
Has extended program guide.
Sanyo tuner # UBDOOAL LOT FVIP
Processor = LGDT1111T
0835
PB5193.00B


#3 T3AP-LL received August 09
Serial # V1201W09250012##
073-0000-V12G02
System Version = 2.1.1B
Has extended program guide just like above LS model.
LG tuner # TDVG-H152F .808A27110
Processor = LGDT1111T
0907
PB5201.00B
post #176 of 406
Both of my ArtecT3AP-LL's are:
T3AP-LL received August 09
Serial ##############
073-0000-V12G02
System Version = 2.1.1B
Has extended program guide.

I have not taken it apart but I assume it is like ron350's Aug 09 LL.
post #177 of 406
Look at the manual for this box. Looks like an Artec to me, LG tuner and all.
It does not have the extended EGP but it does have the show info and universal remote.
It also lists a table of the codes used to control the box. They are NEC.
If that remote ran an Artec....well...cool.
I can't find the box anywhere.

NEC Format (Carrier frequency=38KHz)
Custom Code: 01FE
FUNCTION KEY DATA FUNCTION KEY DATA FUNCTION KEY DATA
BOX POWER 00H - 19H DOWN 16H
MUTE 03H 0 0EH LEFT 14H
1 01H GUIDE 1AH RIGHT 17H
2 02H VOL + 18H MENU 0CH
3 06H VOL - 10H EXIT 0FH
4 04H CAPTION 1EH INFO 47H
5 05H FLASHBK 0DH AUDIO 41H
6 07H CH UP 13H RATIO 42H
7 08H CH DOWN 11H SIGNAL 1DH
8 0AH UP 15H
9 0BH ENTER 12H

Take a look. It may help us find a U-remote for the Artec.

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/DAYTEK_CAX-03.html

Code table (for the box) is on page 20:
Codes for other devices are on page 21...etc.

http://www.ezdigitaltv.com/support-f...ser_manual.pdf
post #178 of 406
The tuner issue sounds similar to the Zinwells; 950As have a MicroTune silicon chip (i.e. LG) and 970As have that Samsung aluminum can tuner. The chip is 'theoretically' better but I think the can has 1 dB better (lower) noise figure. I have both Zinwells and couldn't tell much difference, seemd like one was better at UHF while the other was better at VHF, but overall both good.

The can tuners will be more susceptible to mfg process variation (one day built good, the next day not as good - luck of the draw!). One of my can Zinwells loses synthesizer lock, I've determined it to be sensitive to antenna input impedance (loosen antenna connector and jiggle it); it won't snap out of it unless the channel is reset (none of my other boxes have this problem). Anyone think I have any hope of warranty support on an obscure problem like this?

Hey, how many days is the EPG on that T3AP?
post #179 of 406
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Originally Posted by Floydage View Post

Hey, how many days is the EPG on that T3AP?

I have not seen days. It depends what the station sends. Some channels are 6 hours and others more.

The pic I posted of it shows 16 programs, I didn't count the hours.

Here is the pic:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...6&d=1250207509
post #180 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee495 View Post

I have not seen days. It depends what the station sends. Some channels are 6 hours and others more.

The pic I posted of it shows 16 programs, I didn't count the hours.

Here is the pic:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...6&d=1250207509

Thanks, Yankee. I thought the "1/16" in the upper right corner might have been a page ref for multiple days. I like the outline format coupled with the ability to get individual show details.
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