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post #181 of 406
I have 2 new T3AP-LL's. Both are not getting 12-2. Both were.
I also have a Zinwell which does get it so it is broadcasting.

The LL's are showing no signal and it does not beep yet the meter is showing a very strong signal.

It does ID the channel and it does show the guide, with good signal but says no signal.

They have no picture.

I tried factory default. I scanned with no antenna and again with antenna.

It picks up the channel and adds it to the list but no picture.

I can't believe both boxes are broken unless it is a defect.

As I said, they are both new. One used for about a week and the other for 30 mins to test and make sure it worked ok.

I sure could use some help on this one!
post #182 of 406
OK, I'm in. Just ordered one of the 'Pro-less' LLs for absolutely free from www.freetvsignal.com . The extra 10 bucks for the Pro was tempting since it has CH/VOL buttons and a set of A/V cables (how cheap Q though?) but not knowing the tuner type swayed my choice.

I jumped on it after I discovered it ran off 12V DC. My neighbor just gave me a portable 5" analog LCD that comes with a cig lighter adapter so I was trying to piece together a camping setup for my van (stationary). I did a little research based on the mfger's website http://www.artectv.com/ehtm/products/t3ap.htm :

1) Both the regular and Pro use only 4.5W max, excellent for portable apps.
2) The TVGOS version (T3APR-T) uses 7W max; must be an added chip for that function.
3) They DON"T specify them for automotive use so I would suggest NOT leaving it plugged in while the engine is running (13.6V+tolerance &noise with alternator spinning unless your car has a fancy 12V auxilliary device regulator).

Thanks to everyone, esp Yankee for the review and Ron for the vendor link.
post #183 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee495 View Post

I have 2 new T3AP-LL's. Both are not getting 12-2. Both were.
I also have a Zinwell which does get it so it is broadcasting.

The LL's are showing no signal and it does not beep yet the meter is showing a very strong signal.

It does ID the channel and it does show the guide, with good signal but says no signal.

They have no picture.

I tried factory default. I scanned with no antenna and again with antenna.

It picks up the channel and adds it to the list but no picture.

I can't believe both boxes are broken unless it is a defect.

As I said, they are both new. One used for about a week and the other for 30 mins to test and make sure it worked ok.

I sure could use some help on this one!

It almost sounds like it's keeping old info in memory even though the signal may be too weak for it to properly pick up. You might try deleting whatever you can find about that channel (main and subs) and starting over. Wish I could help more but I don't have an Artec yet.

Those Zinwells are sneaky if a station changed something on you. I had a station change but my Zinwell still displayed the new station on the old virtual channel.
post #184 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee495 View Post

Both of my ArtecT3AP-LL's are:
T3AP-LL received August 09
Serial ##############
073-0000-V12G02
System Version = 2.1.1B
Has extended program guide.

I have not taken it apart but I assume it is like ron350's Aug 09 LL.

I bought a Artec T3AP-LL from Meritline last week, and have taken it apart (you just have to take off the two footpads at the front of the box to get to 2 screws, and pop the top off. It has an LG-Tuner inside.

Here's a photo of the circuit board if anyone is interested.
post #185 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floydage View Post

Thanks to everyone, esp Yankee for the review and Ron for the vendor link.

Thank you!

I believe my problem may be the station. We had a severe storm a couple of months ago that took down this stations tower and destroyed the building(tower fell into the studio and a house! Not a pretty site)! They were off air for over a month!

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/wif...r_Collapse.jpg

They are using a sub channel of KODE 12 (12.1). It is KSNF 16 (12.2). They are getting their own channel going...I am getting it...16.1

I just can't figure out why the Zinwell gets 12.2 and both Artecs do not...they did get it just fine. I'm thinki9ng about calling the station and ask them if they are doing something. I just need to know if it is the Box (The zinwell working worries me).

Any help would be appreciated!

And Floydage, you're gonna love the LL's! (if this is not a defect!)
post #186 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floydage View Post

Those Zinwells are sneaky if a station changed something on you. I had a station change but my Zinwell still displayed the new station on the old virtual channel.

The LL has 3/4 signal but says no signal. You know....I didn't delete it from the Zinwell and try to get it back! Bingo, maybe?

Also see above about tower going down....I bet they are doing something and the Zinwell is still showing it....will report back...

It can't be my beloved Artecs!
post #187 of 406
Great Pic Bluesloth! All we need now is someone to wire up that 3 pin data port so we can screw'em all up!!!

Hahaha...
post #188 of 406
Floydage,

I was leaning toward some genius at the station. Now Zinwell has no sound. A rescan brought it back the same way, no sound.

Whew! I was worried for a minute!

And, I almost plugged the Artec power supply into the Zinwell! I don't think that would be a go! 12v into a 5v box...you guys watch out for that!
post #189 of 406
OK, the station has a picture on the Zinwell and no sound. It had color bars for about 10 secs and then no pic and then pic and no sound!

You can all relax now....it is not the LL's
post #190 of 406
I just check out freetvsignal and they list the LL as having an LG tuner. Meritline doesn't.

Also they list the specs as "3-4 channel switch x1", which it doesn't have a switch, it is in the menu which I like!
post #191 of 406
I cant seem to find a code on my ReplayTv 5040 that will change the T3A Pro channels.
Does anyone here have a ReplayTv working with the Pro box?
Thanks
post #192 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by juddev View Post

I cant seem to find a code on my ReplayTv 5040 that will change the T3A Pro channels.
Does anyone here have a ReplayTv working with the Pro box?
Thanks

I tried a universal remote...it was a no go all the way.

The remote will power off a zinwell, but that is it.
post #193 of 406
I am sure the answer is the same for both, but I mean so the replaytv can tune in a channel for automatic recording.

What brand box works best with replayTv?

Thanks, I really miss automatic recording...
post #194 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesloth View Post

I bought a Artec T3AP-LL from Meritline last week, and have taken it apart (you just have to take off the two footpads at the front of the box to get to 2 screws, and pop the top off. It has an LG-Tuner inside.

Here's a photo of the circuit board if anyone is interested.

Thanks and nice pic! You just voided your warranty but I won't tell. LOL

That's the same tuner listed for the Zenith/Insignia boxes, supposed to receive pretty good from what I've read. LG Decoder IC the same too (med pic Q per Consumer Reports).
post #195 of 406
[quote=Yankee495;17020907]http://www.wirelessestimator.com/wif...r_Collapse.jpgQUOTE]

Ouch! Those things are horrendous when they come down, good thing most are out in the sticks. Guy wires are real killers when they snap too.

Good point on the DC connectors as I suspect it's a pretty common component. Ironically I was just looking at those for my 'RV' setup. I wish I knew what type it's called, was trying to explain to a friend over the phone (works for an auto electronics dist.).
post #196 of 406
DC cable:

If you have a thrift store around go there! They have all kinds of power supplies (wall warts) and you can just find a plug that fits and cut the cord off!

I get them all the time for 50 cents!

We have a salvation army thrift store...they have a couple of boxes full...

WATCH THE POLARITY!
post #197 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee495 View Post

DC cable:

If you have a thrift store around go there! They have all kinds of power supplies (wall warts) and you can just find a plug that fits and cut the cord off!

I get them all the time for 50 cents!

We have a salvation army thrift store...they have a couple of boxes full...

WATCH THE POLARITY!

Good idea - thanks! Come to think of it I probably have a thrift store of this kind of stuff in my spare bed (storage) rooms; but hard to get myself to cut one up, never know if it belongs to something I'll need someday. 50c sounds better. Can also get a variety of voltage sizes to complete sort of a makeshift variable power supply set.
post #198 of 406
I chose to get a couple of free boxes (with free S&H).
These are the folks that topped Google, so I tried them.
I ordered these two, and they arrived just fine, and free!

*** See model-specific AVSForum threads for info ***

Craig - CVD-508

Artec (Ultima, Jiangsu) - T3AP-LL (LG Tuner)

Note:

They put the two display boxes in a FedEx envelope bare,
they DID NOT provide the display boxes external boxing !
It wasn't even a "Bubble-Wrap" style envelope !

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Artec (Ultima, Jiangsu) - T3AP-LL (LL = LG Tuner)

External Product Information:

Model Sticker:
Ultima Electronics Corp.
Digital-to-Analog
Converter Box
Model No.: T3AP-LL
Input: 12V 0.5A
Made In China 18E-0012-V52G01



UPC Bargraph Sticker:
Serial: V1201W092500**** (Last four omitted for privacy)
Other: 073-0000-V12G02



Wall-Wart Sticker:
(Transformerless Switching-Mode Type)
DVE Switching Adapter
Model: DSA-9W-15 FUS 120050
Input: 100-240V ~ 50/60Hz 0.3A
Output: +12V = 0.5A
Level 3
I.T.E L.P.S
81GJ
E135856
Made In China

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Notes:

Mobile-Friendly:
This unit is negative ground
(Some China TV's are POSITIVE ground, ALWAYS measure !!!)
16.31-Milliamp @ 11.98-VDC (0.19-W) - Standby (Wall-Wart)
223.8-Milliamp @ 11.93-VDC (2.66-W) - Running (Wall-Wart)
(231.6-Milliamp max while booting from flash boot sector)

The collor is negative,
and chassis ground.

The pin (Or center) is Positive 12-VDC.



Disassembly:
The bottom has four self-adhesive feet.
Remove just the FRONT TWO to reveal screws.
These two screws also pass through the PCB.
They chose to not use the rear tuner screw.



Tuner:
This LG design uses standard .010" spaced pins to connect.
Two shield mounts AND 16 (5+11) PINS MUST BE unsoldered...
If you do not own/use professional desoldering equipment,
DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS !!! (See pictures for fragile nature)



Worst Switch EVER (WSE):
Just look at the "Switch" pic, you won't belive it...



Back Panel Data Jack:
Three pins, #1 is farthest from tuner (Square solder pad)

#1 = TBA
#2 = TBA
#3 = Chassis Ground (Also 12-VDC supply Ground)

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PCB Solder Side Numbers:

RU HT-D
94V-OE318580

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PCB Component Side Numbers:

Note:
Sticker on Flash-RAM (Front edge) is the "System Version".
V2.11B (White Paper Sticker) = "System Version 2.1.1B"
Menu >>> Option >>> Accessory >>> Listed in right pane ...



SOC (System-On-a-Chip):
LG Electronics
LGDT1111T
0907
PB5201.00B

Info:
Sixth generation IC
ARM926EJ-STM host controller Processor core clocked at 200-Mhz
Built-in video scaling
Onboard Java bytecode accelerator
Integrated VSB and QAM demodulator
MPEG-2 MP@HL Video decoder
Dolby AC-3 audio decoder
Video format converter
NTSC video encoder
2D graphic processor
Two onboard UART's
system decoder
Include the uCOS-II RTOS
outputs for digital & Analog RGB, and CVBS with Stereo Audio
Memory interface = DDR : 256Mbit, 16bit I/F@175/200MHz
Memory interface = Flash 8bit only NOR for ARM Program
I2C (Master/Slave)x2
I2C (Master)x1 for Tuner
GPIOx8 for IR or Keypad
Power Consumption = 1.6-A @ 5-V

Reference Links:
http://www.fortetw.com/en/Product_d2a.htm

http://mvptek.koreasme.com/en/product/product_03.html

http://www.smi888.com/English/DZGXe-2.html

Used In:
Artec - T3AP = LGDT1111D
Artec - T3AP-LL = LGDT1111T
Artec - T3AP-LS = LGDT1111?
Artec - T3AP Pro = LGDT1111D
Casti - CAX-02 = LGDT1111D
Coship - N9900T = LGDT1111?
Daewoo - DAC-100 = LGDT1111C
Daewoo - DAC-200 = LGDT1111?
Daewoo - DAC-300 = LGDT1111?
Daytek - CAX-01 = LGDT1111D
Digital Stream - DSP-7500T = LGDT1111D
Digital Stream - DTX-9900 = LGDT1111D
Digital Stream - DTX-9950 = LGDT1111T
Insignia - LSX300-4DM = LGDT1111?
Insignia - NS-DXA1 = LGDT1111D
Insignia - NS-DXA1-APT = LGDT1111T
Jiuzhou - DTT6000 = LGDT1111?
Jiuzhou - DTT9001 = LGDT1111?
Microprose - MPI-500 = LGDT1111D
Microprose - MPI-500 = LGDT1111D
RCA - STB7766G1 = LGDT1111D
TRT - TACB-1009 = LGDT1111D
Venturer - STB7766G = LGDT1111D
Zenith - DTT-900 = LGDT1111D
Zenith - DTT-901 = LGDT1111T
(PM me with any corrections/updates please, WeThePeople)



RAM Memory:
Nanya 0913
NT5DS16M16CS-5T
84909600AP 3 TW

Info:
256-MB DDR RAM



Flash Memory:
EON
EN29LV160AT-70TCP
(IC has "Red" dot on it)

Info:
EON Silicon Solution, Inc.
16-Megabit Flash Memory
(2048K x 8-bit / 1024K x 16-bit)
With Boot Sector, CMOS 3.0-Volt

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LG Innotek Tuner Housing Sticker (Green):
TDVG-H152F
.808A27110

Info:
?
(I have several E-Mail's out to LG developers requesting a PDF Datasheet)

Reference Links:
http://www.lginnotek.com/bin/product...odel_list.html



Tuner Numbers - Component Side:
5-Pin Inline Part (Plastic Package - Inside Tuner):
X6764X
EPCOS 6321 JZW7

Info:
The Epcos X6764N is a SAW (Surface Acoustic Wave) type of
bandpass IF filter for ATSC use dated 06-14-06.
Stands to reason the X6764X is just a newer version.
Here is the PDF specification sheet for the older X6764N

Reference Links:
http://www.epcos.com/inf/40/ds/mm/X6764N.pdf



2-Pin Inline Part - Crystal (Metal Can):
JY4M0827

Info:
Crystal for TI SN761668 tuner IC below



Component Numbers - Solder Side:
44-Pin DIP Surface Mount IC:

Texas Instrument Logo
87D4HETG4 (G4 Is underlined)
SN761668

Info:
The SN761668 is a low-phase-noise synthesized tuner IC.

Reference Links:
http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folder.../sn761668.html

http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit...8&fileType=pdf



16-Pin DIP Surface Mount IC:
1372G
831
AH

Info:
Toshiba TSSOP16-Package
Most likely an RF-Modulator / APT-Switch...

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Google Info:

Google Search - Ultima.Electronics.Corp
(The "Periods" force terms to be adjacent to each other)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...su&btnG=Search

Google Search - +Artec +Jiangsu
(The "Plus" symbols force each term into the results)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...su&btnG=Search

Google Search - +Ultima +Artec +Jiangsu
(The "Plus" symbols force each term into the results)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...su&btnG=Search

Alternate Found:
Ultima Electronics Corporation
6F, NO.100, LI-DE ST.
CHUNG-HO CITY
TAIPEI HSIEN
TAIWAN, R.O.C. 235
KC Wang - Owner
886-(0)2-2225-6300 - Tel
886-(0)2-2225-2674 - Fax

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Artec - T3AP Pro 5-Button Wiring Info:

For T3AP-LS (Sanyo tuner) ans T3AP-LL (LG tuner) the following is correct
Pin #1 is FARTHEST from the tuner / closest to LEFT side of equipment

For the T3AP Pro modelthe following is correct
Pin #1 is NEAREST to the tuner / FARTHEST from LEFT side of equipment

Determine which last pin/pad is chassis ground and Pin-7 as confirmation

1 - +3.28-VDC (Measured) for four function buttons (Vol Up/Dn, Ch Up/Dn)
2 - Power on - Switch goes from Pin-2 to Pin-7 chassis ground (Tuner casing...)
3 - Channel Up - Pin-3 To Pin-1
4 - Channel Down - Pin-4 To Pin-1
5 - Volume Down - Pin-5 To Pin-1
6 - Volume Up - Pin-5 To Pin-1
7 - Chassis ground, and ground for two jack support solder pads also

See NTSC's Post #236 for additional details & pics
This is what the T3AP-LL looks like without the surface mount style 7-Pin connector:
Ron350 confirms earlier LS/LL units were populated with the surface mount 7-Pin male jack.
14 Artec - T3AP-LL - Button Pinout Info 1





Additional T3AP-LL info for my unit for additional reference.
Ron350 confirms his T3AP-LS (Sanyo tuner) unit is wired the same.
15 Artec - T3AP-LL - Button Pinout Info 2





Here is the result combining NTSC's and Ron350's data with mine.
Credit goes to NTSC for the schematic drawing, I just annotated it...
16 Artec - T3AP-xxx - 5-Button Schematic





The Pro is different than the LS/LL models,
note the oval metal can (Quartz Crystal for SoC) as reference
17 Artec - T3AP-Pro To T3AP-LL Comparison




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Artec.com.tw Contact Info:

Artec Headquarters:
Ultima Electronics Corporation
7F, No.100, Li De Street
Chung Ho City
Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C 235
886-(0)2-2225-8998 - Tel
886-(0)2-2225-2674 - Fax
info@ultima.com.tw - Sales & Marketing
service@ultima.com.tw - Customer Service
http://www.artectv.com

USA:
Artec Digital
39901 Eureka Dr.
Newark, CA 94560
510-897-8900 - Sales
510-897-8901 - Customer Service
510-897-8902 - Customer Service + Sales
info@ultima.com.tw - Sales
service@ultima.com.tw - Customer Service

Europe:
Ultima Electronic B.V.
Antennestraat 76
1322AS Almere, NL
31-653-179-698 - Tel
31-363-632-023 - Fax
sales@artec-europe.com - Sales
http://www.artec.com.tw - Web

Factory:
Artec Electronics (Jiangsu) Co., Ltd.
No.1057, Yun Li Road
Songling Town
Wujiang City 215200
Jiangsu, P.R.C.
86-512-6340-1988 - Tel
86-512-6340-2991 - Fax

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Links:

"Ultima Electronic Corp. was founded in 1983 in Tu-cheng"
http://www.artectv.com/
http://www.artec.com.tw/

T3AP-LS (Sanyo Tuner), T3AP-LL (LG Tuner)
http://www.artec.com.tw/ehtm/products/t3ap.htm

T3APR-T (TVGOS-Able)
http://www.artec.com.tw/ehtm/products/t3aprt.htm

T3AP Pro
http://www.artec.com.tw/ehtm/products/t3appro.htm

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AVS attachments:

Attachment 150559
Attachment 150560
Attachment 150561
Attachment 150562
Attachment 150563
06 Attachment 150565 Artec - T3AP-LL - Connection Options
07 Attachment 150566 Artec - T3AP-LL - Transformerless Wall-Wart
08 Attachment 150567 Artec - T3AP-LL - PCB Component Side
09 Attachment 150568 Artec - T3AP-LL - PCB Solder Side
10 Attachment 150569 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner Component Side
11 Attachment 150576 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner Solder Side
12 Attachment 150577 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner ID Sticker
13 Attachment 150578 Artec - T3AP-LL - WORST SWITCH EVER !!!

06-13 work properly, but AVS didn't parse attachment names correctly..

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TinyPic.com posted pics:

http://TinyPic.com/WeThePeople



01 Artec - T3AP-LL - Display Box Front




02 Artec - T3AP-LL - Display Box Back




03 Artec - T3AP-LL - Display Box Features




04 Artec - T3AP-LL - Flimsy Packaging




05 Artec - T3AP-LL - Flimsy Remote




06 Artec - T3AP-LL - Connection Options




07 Artec - T3AP-LL - Transformerless Wall-Wart




08 Artec - T3AP-LL - PCB Component Side




09 Artec - T3AP-LL - PCB Solder Side

Notice the really bad flux wash ???


10 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner Component Side




11 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner Solder Side




12 Artec - T3AP-LL - LG-Tuner ID Sticker




13 Artec - T3AP-LL - WORST SWITCH EVER !!!

Later, acronym'd WSE by a AVR poster.
After seeing the "Pro" PCB buttons insert,
I now see why this hack became a reality...
LL
LL
LL
LL
LL
post #199 of 406
You can post unlimited pics at http://www.tinypic.com
They even provide the code for your forum posts.
No registration needed.
post #200 of 406
Do you think vent holes voids the warranty? LOL




LL
LL
post #201 of 406
Quote:

You're hired - nice! Reminds me of when we dissected competitor products at my last job. We had the first product out so I didn't feel too bad about it.

Based on that switch design, maybe it's a good thing I didn't spend the extra money for the Pro (CH/VOL buttons); but then again I have to rely on that flimsy remote. LOL

I see the SOC power consumption equates to 8W. They must be running it at a lower consumption mode (lower supply voltage, duty cycle, etc.) and/or not using all of the functions. I take it the D and T suffixes describe different IC package types.

Thumbs up or thumbs down on the Craig? I can't find a thread on it performing a "Google Search AVS." The brand gives me visions of drug store cheap stuff (but hey, I read here that Zinwells were once sold in Albertsons!).
post #202 of 406
Quote:
Originally Posted by ron350 View Post

Do you think vent holes voids the warranty? LOL

Should extend the warranty IMO.
Holes on top look OEM - nice drill press work!

I wonder if a small heatsink can be thermal-glued to the top of the SOCs of these boxes? Might get in the way of the WSE (Worst Switch Ever) on these Artecs though.

Despite the distaste for wall-warts, they do remote power supply heat from the box.
post #203 of 406
It looks like it has a place to mount another switch...to the right of the firmware sticker...

But not enough to be the same board as a pro...

It also looks like straight back from the data port there is possibly a ribbon cable that could be added..maybe these are for the channel/volume switches...
post #204 of 406
Found a firmware bug.

Hit freeze. Leave it there for one minute. It will start motion video again but leave the "freeze" info up. Hit freeze again and it will freeze but the "freeze" will go away.

Hitting EPG blackes out all channels...with "no signal"....even if you exit.

It comes back in about 1 minute and is ok...
post #205 of 406
Hey Floydage,

Ole ron350 can put a switch anywhere he wants! Gotta enough holes!

Use the big hole for a fan, and put a small switch somewhere else!

Hahaha

No, really...looks nice...factory should've done that or something like that.

Mines runs pretty cool...Sunkeys run hot!

But you guys are right....heat is the enemy.
post #206 of 406
Floydage the plastic box and the switch arm just snap together so you can take the switch arm out and have extra room and an extra cooling hole.

Yankee495

See post number 145 for a picture of the older LL board and you can see what they left off.
post #207 of 406
It is a switch & connector...what for? Anyone push that button?
post #208 of 406
That missing switch acted like a reset button when pushed?
The box would blip off the back on just like you had pushed the power button twice. As far as I can tell no settings change when that button is pushed.
The Freeze feature only lasts for 1 minute even on the LS box.
post #209 of 406
Indeed, #145 shows a cable connector and switch in the aforementioned optional spots. Might be a tiny LED in the 3rd open spot just NE of the RCA connector (bluesloth's LL pic). Maybe #145 is a Pro or older version with CH/VOL buttons?

Cool, has a Freeze function.

I doubt the code is thoroughly tested on CECBs. Can be pretty extensive, think of all the permutations.
post #210 of 406
Darn, you just missed the free fancy $9.99 antenna with every Craig 508 purchase (today).
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