Firmware/Update Requests For Onkyo/Integra-Please Read - Page 85

Joe, this is one of those times (of course easier said than done) where the phrase "just let it roll off your back" comes to mind. "Ya can't plaese all of the people, all of the time." <-there's another one . Oh, and then there's "take this job and shove it."<-one of my favs

This question is for Joerod and Gurkey or others who might have an inside read on future Onkyo/Integra firmware update plans. I have an Integra 8.8 which thanks to these threads has the 1.09 firmware which is the latest firmware for the Integra 8.8 Audyseey Pro recall settings. I was wondering if Onkyo/Integra has plans to release additional firmware releases with new Audyssey features and a correction to some of the Reon Chip problems (altered green problem). Thought I would through out a feeler and see if there are plans in the works. It sounds like the new Onkyo 906 and similar Integra model will include THX Ultra 2 plus and some additional features. Any read? Otherwise my Integra 8.8 is " cooking with gas!". Thanks!

So...is there or will there be a 1.10 firmware update. Sorry if this is a repeated question. I have been on the run and not checking in much. This is an outstanding forum with some of the best folks around!

The word is that one has been developed and in testing, but no official word if or when it will be released. I think it will come eventually, but who knows when or how.

Unfortunately there is conflicting information from different sources.

Whilst joerod stated that he was testing a major update 1.10 (for the 905 ?) other sources form Europe (and Japan, indirectly) gave a different outlook. They stated that there is no new firmware visible (yet ?) on the horizon, because all development efforts are been concentrated currently on the new product line.

So it's still a wait and see situation after all.
Hopefully joerod has finished his tests by now and the firmware tested will show up shortly.
May be the smoke will clear after all new units incl. 906 / 876 have been released officially to the market.

Boils my blood that Onkyo has the nerve to release the 906 which mainly appears to be a firmware update that should be given to the 905 (or offer some of the features for a small cost, like Denon, but certainly offer the fixes free).

Not even 6 HDMI inputs.... no way.

And the prices that 905's are being blown out at now. Good for new buyers, but it's really diluting the re-sale value of my 905 (if there was any).

I wouldn't expect much from Onkyo on the x05 series now, you might get bug fixes if you're lucky. Myself and Joe have seen this before (TX-NR1000/RDC-7.1 owners).

It is too bad since the 885 still has the colorspace issue and the DD lock on issue that I have reported. Namely, DD sometimes mutes the center channel after FF/RW on my TiVo HD.

Still, I would consider and 886 if they would add more HDMI ports.

- Rich

I don't see any choices left because the new models probably moved from the drawing board to the manufacturing process already ...

Yeah but this is a bit of a different situation. The new 906 is virtually identical in hardware to the 905. They might even be compatible in firmware - I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be able to update 905 with hacked 906 firmware. We are talking software development here for virtually the same hardware, not a hardware mod.

That being said since they are so close, I don't see why Onkyo would not continue to try and build customer relations on the high end. No one is going to run out and dump their $1500 unit for a simple firmware revision that gives a few new features, so they are not going to make any significant amount of cash on current high end customers.

I think Joe is just expressing that Onkyo has burned customers in the past, and even if 1.10 is under development & being tested there is no guarantee it will be officially released or finished.

Personally, I still think it will come out, though.

I'm hopeful as well. There was a similar concern among owners of the extremely buggy Samsung UP5000 (like me) when Samsung's next generation Blu-ray player (the BD1500) was being rolled out. Samsung still ended up releasing a major firmware update for the 5000, even after the 1500 hit the market. Even more interesting, the new firmware for the 5000 was a hack from the firmware for the 1500 because Samsung displays that are capable of showing the model number of connected devices were reporting older 5000s with updated firmware as being 1500s.

So, we might still get lucky with the 905s, if the firmware for the 906 is similar. I, and a lot of other people, had written Samsung off and it eventually came through. But the scene was just as ugly last spring with Samsung as it is here with Onkyo before the Company stepped up.

If we see no updates at all after the 906 hits the market, then we know for sure we have a problem.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going

Just like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. . . .

I checked Abt Electronics and B&H Photo, both taking preorders on the 906 for the "bargain" price of $2199. I wonder if it will have all the bugs worked out of it before it is released. I wouldn't pay the extra $ for it even with Audyssey Pro. Amazon has it for $1999.

I have been reading these threads for a long time. I just became a member in case I had a reason to give my two cents.

It seems most technology companies are putting their products on the market unfinished. We have seen this with the BD-UP5000, the Onkyo x05 series and even the iphone, etc. These companies need to satisfy the shareholders in order to continue business. If the new products are not being rolled out on a consistent basis, the market will loose interest in them, so the products come to the market half finished. Which is where we all pay the price. We all want a great product, and these companies know this. They know if they put the specs and the logos on the front that are the newest thing, we will buy them. But the issue is, we get the product home, hook it up, and find out that we cannot use the advanced audio because the firmware has not been developed. I want a product that is going to give me what it's supposed to give me, not a year later and after numerous firmware updates. If you went to the grocery store for eggs and they sold you a chicken stating in the future it will produce eggs, would you buy it, no. In fact they would probably sell you a rooster instead, just to make the sale.

Enough of the soapbox......

I bought the 905 because of what the specs said it would do. I am still waiting for the firmware update that will make good on that promise. I think the video "reon" quality could be much better, and for that I think the audio could use some tweaking. But to make a newer product "906" and forget those of us who invested in something good is shameful. If you think about it, how many devices on the market are giving you their full potential? And why are those of us who want the best paying the price?

After reading these posts I feel as most of you do, mislead. shame on the companies for not creating a product we know will work from the first day.

The Germans ? Really ...
You think those man in Japanese uniforms of Asian origin speaking Japanse where actually "Germans" under cover ...
... and they had some surgery done to look Japanese
... and they all learned Japanese to perfection to make this a complete illusion ?

Quite a show for those "Germans" then, because they convinced everybody that they were Japanese

gurkey,

I'm pretty sure him saying, "Just like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. . . ." Is a reference to a line that was said by Bluto (John Belushi) in the movie Animal House.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes

"D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]"

Never mind...

Although Joe hasn't actually said so, but I think he was probably given a beta version of 1.10, and was trying to find out if it was useable or was too buggy.

Your right though, the only *05 firmware that Onkyo has released to the public was for the 605, and that was ages ago. Even the fix for the DTS bomb has never been officially released to the public by Onkyo.

Actually, some firmware has been available from Onkyo support, after you sign a waiver. And the DTS MA fix was officially released (DSP update), when you contact support, they will send you this link:

http://63.148.251.142/download/firmw...re_replace.cfm

Well after saying I wouldn't finish it. I finished the jig for the 805. I successfully updated my 805 from 1.04 (with updater 1.00) to 1.08 with updater 1.01 now. I will post all the details within a couple days, including PCB layout, for those few who would want to try this. Performing the update seems very doable for the novice, if a jig is available, but making a jig should only be attempted with experience

And yes a jig is required to update, as my prior thought (posting) about not needing it was wishful thinking.

Now my question is how does one update the HDMI firmware? Yes, there is another jack there, but seems like the marking on the board are different, which would indicate a different jig. But it might be the case that the main chip has an embedded Renesas MCU???? The available 1.08 firmware archive contains the code for both the DSP and HDMI updates in the .mot format. The configuration file lists the files that would seem to indicate that somehow the updater can update this firmware over the serial port. A user posted a while back that the HDMI code was the ONE firmware that could be updated with updater 1.00. So does anyone know how to do this?

Second, if firmware 1.10 is still "delayed", how about giving us the 1.09 firmware as this might be the last?

Main 1.10 is supposed to be for 905 / 8.8.
Equivalent Main 1.09 is for 875 / 9.8 / 885 etc.
Main 1.09 for 905 / 8.8 is here already...

Let's keep it real man. You basically have to threaten them or beg for the fw for them to even offer or awknowledge they even have it. THAT is NOT "readily available to the public".

Congratulations, that covers the 805 SOL club members .. I'm STILL in the hopeful club that 705s can be updated using it's firmware, flasta.exe and RS232 cable (until someone actually bricks their unit during this upgrade which still hasn't happened - note: someone did when they modified the actual firmware files and used the previous 'update' upgrade method).


I don't know what the latest HDMI version is, but this can be updated using RS232. Everything else seems to require a jig.

Officially it seems to be HDMI 1.01 but I remember someone stating, that he got his unit back from a service point firmware update with HDMI 1.02 installed already ...

If you wait a year, you'll be able to get it for $1300

we should hire Ben Affleck and send him down to onkyo to sort out these firmwares out . i mean he did defeat the whole jap army on his own

All you'd have to do is "get him in a *expletive* plane" and I'm sure he'd be good to go. He must have said that line 15 times in 10 minutes.

We still need HDMI 1.02 in addition to main 1.09/1.10...