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post #31 of 229
4/7/08 at 9:57pm
citrus,

I looked thru the manual, and I didn't see any mention of recording DVD-RAM. I don't even know what that is, but I could not find any mention of it, under the recording section...sorry.

I know what you mean about the manuals, it nice to review one prior to making a purchase - and easy to do searches in .pdf formst. I'm surprised Toshiba doesn't have that doc up yet. I too tried to get it prior to the purchase also, but couldn't.
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post #32 of 229
4/8/08 at 4:19am
I'll have to try again tonight but it looks like my first try at recording did not work.

I'm using DVD+R discs. I put in a blank disc, received a loading prompt for a few seconds, selected the 2 hr setting for the record mode and then hit record which was identified by the red light on the player display.

After the game was over, I hit stop on the remote and received a progress bar while it said it was writing to disc. After this was done I removed the disc and took it upstairs, I put it in my PC drive which then showed the disc as being blank.

Can someone tell me if I am doing this wrong?

It was too late to re-play the 2 hr game last night to try it again. Let me ask is there a faster way to record the DVR content then playing it at regular speed?
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post #33 of 229
4/8/08 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by TomsHT View Post

I'll have to try again tonight but it looks like my first try at recording did not work.

After this was done I removed the disc and took it upstairs, I put it in my PC drive which then showed the disc as being blank.

Can someone tell me if I am doing this wrong?

You need to finalize your disc before it will be usable on your PC or a DVD player. Check your manual for finalizing instructions.
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post #34 of 229
4/8/08 at 10:44am
There is no mention of DVD-RAM disks, yes or no, in the R410 manual.
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post #35 of 229
4/8/08 at 11:20am
Correction. My Tosh model is KR10, not 410. Sorry for the confusion. R.
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post #36 of 229
4/8/08 at 2:07pm
KR10 and 410 are very similar. So if one won't do it, the other probably won't either. Check out the Panasonics.
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post #37 of 229
4/8/08 at 4:01pm
nope no ability to record on DVD-RAM (with the 400 so I imagine it's true with the 410 as well)...that's probably the only regret I've got about my 400.

DGK
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post #38 of 229
4/8/08 at 4:53pm
Play, I believe, but no record.
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post #39 of 229
4/8/08 at 6:34pm
Thanks everyone.

I guess that I will have to stay with higher priced Panasonic or possibly check into the Samsung. When I get my "stimulus", I could do my bit.
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post #40 of 229
4/9/08 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by citrus View Post

Thanks everyone.

I guess that I will have to stay with higher priced Panasonic or possibly check into the Samsung. When I get my "stimulus", I could do my bit.

The LG DR787-T also records on RAM...it's on sale at the moment at BBuy but you can probably get it at a decent price later on as well. Buyer beware though...I've had trouble with my LG 787 (which I got in 2007), BUT others here who have bought theirs since then say they've not had trouble, so...

Unfortunate that there are so few recorders that record to RAM.

DGK
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post #41 of 229
4/9/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by TomsHT View Post

I'll have to try again tonight but it looks like my first try at recording did not work.

I'm using DVD+R discs. I put in a blank disc, received a loading prompt for a few seconds, selected the 2 hr setting for the record mode and then hit record which was identified by the red light on the player display.

After the game was over, I hit stop on the remote and received a progress bar while it said it was writing to disc. After this was done I removed the disc and took it upstairs, I put it in my PC drive which then showed the disc as being blank.

Can someone tell me if I am doing this wrong?

It was too late to re-play the 2 hr game last night to try it again. Let me ask is there a faster way to record the DVR content then playing it at regular speed?

You did everything right, all you need to do is finalize it. Go to the setup(I think you hit the setup button on the remote), then go to disc-finalize or something. Then the disc will be readable on almost any DVD player. However once you finalize you cannot write to the disc anymore.

As for your other question, no there is not a faster way to record it. This device doesn't have a hard drive, so you can't just transfer files to it like you do with video files on a computer. You have to capture it in real time. It's just like a VCR, only recording to a digital medium, a DVD instead of an analog VHS tape.
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post #42 of 229
4/9/08 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by ak3883 View Post

You did everything right, all you need to do is finalize it. Go to the setup(I think you hit the setup button on the remote), then go to disc-finalize or something. Then the disc will be readable on almost any DVD player. However once you finalize you cannot write to the disc anymore.

As for your other question, no there is not a faster way to record it. This device doesn't have a hard drive, so you can't just transfer files to it like you do with video files on a computer. You have to capture it in real time. It's just like a VCR, only recording to a digital medium, a DVD instead of an analog VHS tape.

Thank Neighbor... Finalizing it worked.

Another question, when playing the finished disc on the 410, it filled the screen. When I moved the disc to the HD player, it was then cropped on the sides. Is this just an aspect display ration setting that is wrong in one of the players or did I actually record it at the wrong aspect ratio?
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post #43 of 229
4/10/08 at 11:58am
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Thank Neighbor... Finalizing it worked.

Another question, when playing the finished disc on the 410, it filled the screen. When I moved the disc to the HD player, it was then cropped on the sides. Is this just an aspect display ration setting that is wrong in one of the players or did I actually record it at the wrong aspect ratio?

Hmmm, if it's cropped on the sides, sounds like your HD player's setting might be set to 4:3? Go into the settings and make sure the TV type is set to 16:9.

I think the best thing to do would be to leave the aspect ratio setting on the 410 to "AUTO" That way it sets the right AR depending on the signal coming in. But since you said you were using DVD+R's, I KNOW that 16:9 is NOT supported with DVD+R. For this reason I've recorded sports events that are in HD/16:9 using -R's, so I can record in widescreen. However using +R's you gain the ability to make chapter marks wherever you want. With -R's you cannot make custom chapter marks, only set them to automatically be created every 5,10,15, etc minutes(or not at all).
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post #44 of 229
4/10/08 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by ak3883 View Post

Hmmm, if it's cropped on the sides, sounds like your HD player's setting might be set to 4:3? Go into the settings and make sure the TV type is set to 16:9.

I think the best thing to do would be to leave the aspect ratio setting on the 410 to "AUTO" That way it sets the right AR depending on the signal coming in. But since you said you were using DVD+R's, I KNOW that 16:9 is NOT supported with DVD+R. For this reason I've recorded sports events that are in HD/16:9 using -R's, so I can record in widescreen. However using +R's you gain the ability to make chapter marks wherever you want. With -R's you cannot make custom chapter marks, only set them to automatically be created every 5,10,15, etc minutes(or not at all).

I'll have to double check the settings in the HD DVD players but this is something I've always set to 16:9.

Thanks again for the info but I may have the wife return the player tomorrow. I purchased it for the single purpose of recording some indoor lacrosse games to disc and of course last weekend they broadcast the game for the first time in HD!

So i'm in search of a solution to save the full hd content now. Of course the ironic part is that I do have a blu-ray burner drive on my pc...
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post #45 of 229
4/10/08 at 9:48pm
Ok, I have a newbie question.

We just got the D-R410 and I was reading in the instructions that it would record 16:9 on the -R or -RW discs. So we tried recording with +RW and -RW (in VR mode or Video Mode), but everything recorded is in 4:3.

The cable box is Scientific Atlantic 8300HD and the output is set to 16:9. The monitor is a Pioneer 5004 plasma. The R410 is set to 16:9. But everything we record is 4:3. And the output from the DVR gets bars on the sides and top/bottom to fit the 4:3. The image inside is still 16:9, but I was assuming that the recording would be 16:9 and not a resized 4:3.

We can get the image to fill the screen if we set it to Zoom mode, but that loses a little bit of the image top and bottom. I was hoping that we could set the monitor to Full or Wide.

Am I missing something, or is the R410 recording correctly taking the 16:9 input and fixing it to a 4:3 boxed image?

Here's the setup. DVR to R410 using S-Video and L/R audio. R410 to AV Receiver using coax audio and R410 to monitor using HDMI cable.

Thanks for any clarification,
Robert
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post #46 of 229
4/10/08 at 9:55pm
See THIS thread.
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post #47 of 229
4/14/08 at 9:18am
Does the D-R410 play DIVX Files?..BestBuy Website says it does but I cannot find any other sites that says it does also..

Thanks guys
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post #48 of 229
4/14/08 at 9:40am
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Ok, I have a newbie question.

We just got the D-R410 and I was reading in the instructions that it would record 16:9 on the -R or -RW discs. So we tried recording with +RW and -RW (in VR mode or Video Mode), but everything recorded is in 4:3.

The cable box is Scientific Atlantic 8300HD and the output is set to 16:9. The monitor is a Pioneer 5004 plasma. The R410 is set to 16:9. But everything we record is 4:3. And the output from the DVR gets bars on the sides and top/bottom to fit the 4:3. The image inside is still 16:9, but I was assuming that the recording would be 16:9 and not a resized 4:3.

We can get the image to fill the screen if we set it to Zoom mode, but that loses a little bit of the image top and bottom. I was hoping that we could set the monitor to Full or Wide.

Am I missing something, or is the R410 recording correctly taking the 16:9 input and fixing it to a 4:3 boxed image?

Here's the setup. DVR to R410 using S-Video and L/R audio. R410 to AV Receiver using coax audio and R410 to monitor using HDMI cable.

Thanks for any clarification,
Robert

set your plasma for 4x3 when recording off the sa8300 to see if you're getting the REQUIRED 'squished' 16x9 image going into 410.
if your not getting the 'squish', per the link above to my post on 410, check bottom right of 8300 remote for aspect button. if button is there (and sa8300 has the REQUIRED 'sara' software), choose 'stretch'. this should give u the 'squish'.

if all else fails call cableco and ask what software ('sara' software is necessary for this to work) is on sa8300. (they may not even know). if not 'sara' and they wont/cant get u one with 'sara', then ?? dont know what to tell you.
good luck!

dont feel bad if it seems confusing; my tosh dr2 dvdr and sa8000hd had everything necessary to do all this. it took me 6 months (3.5 yrs ago) before i figured out how to use it all. and some of it was partly by accident.
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post #49 of 229
4/14/08 at 10:08am
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Does the D-R410 play DIVX Files?..BestBuy Website says it does but I cannot find any other sites that says it does also..

Thanks guys

The 400 does, so I don't see why the 410 wouldn't.
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post #50 of 229
4/15/08 at 5:21pm
Now I have a question:

I burned a +R disc, made chapter marks, but when I finalize it, the chapter marks aren't seen in any other DVD player, and every time the player seems to tack on an "EMPTY TITLE" at the end, even though there is only 1 recording. It's annoying that it shows up as a 2nd option when you insert the DVD into any player.

But the chapter marks not showing up, that is not good at all. Of course they show up on the D-R410, but that's not very helpful if they only show up on that player.

Could it be the media? I'm using Memorex +R's, I've never had a problem with them before, copying DVDS, etc.
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post #51 of 229
4/16/08 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by ak3883 View Post

Now I have a question:

I burned a +R disc, made chapter marks, but when I finalize it, the chapter marks aren't seen in any other DVD player, and every time the player seems to tack on an "EMPTY TITLE" at the end, even though there is only 1 recording. It's annoying that it shows up as a 2nd option when you insert the DVD into any player.

But the chapter marks not showing up, that is not good at all.

The "Empty Title" entry is part of the software design, so although it's annoying it's the way it is.

As for the chapter marks, they are inserted automatically when you finalize a disc in intervals that are determined by what you have selected in the setup menu (no chapter marks, 5 minute, 10 minute intervals etc.) Check to see what your current setting is. Although you have indicated that you "made chapter marks", they will not be retained at the point of finalization. Auto chapter marks take over based on your settings.
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post #52 of 229
4/16/08 at 9:25am
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The "Empty Title" entry is part of the software design, so although it's annoying it's the way it is.

As for the chapter marks, they are inserted automatically when you finalize a disc in intervals that are determined by what you have selected in the setup menu (no chapter marks, 5 minute, 10 minute intervals etc.) Check to see what your current setting is. Although you have indicated that you "made chapter marks", they will not be retained at the point of finalization. Auto chapter marks take over based on your settings.

I turned off the setting that automatically inserts chapter marks. The manual clearly states that you can manually insert chapter marks in +R discs, and details how you do it in the title edit menu. I guess it's a ruse, that the chapter marks created are only readable by this/Toshiba players.

That just might be a show stopper, that's not exactly an advanced feature I would think, to be able to manually insert chapter marks and retain them on a finalized disc. I think I still have a week to return this thing, I just might, if I cannot insert chapters on my own.

The more I think about it, and the fact I might get a PS3 this summer, might just go find a model that can do just that, and not worry about the upconverting PQ as much, since the PS3 will do a great job.
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post #53 of 229
4/16/08 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by ak3883 View Post

I turned off the setting that automatically inserts chapter marks. The manual clearly states that you can manually insert chapter marks in +R discs, and details how you do it in the title edit menu. I guess it's a ruse, that the chapter marks created are only readable by this/Toshiba players.

That's a load of crap! I think I still have a week to return this thing, I just might, if I cannot insert chapters on my own.

If chapter marking and retention is important to you, the Philips DVDR3575H/37 retains all chapter marks, auto-set and custom-created, even with a high-speed dub to DVD.

The 3575 allows auto-chapter marking on the HDD and on DVDs. Deleting scenes, like commercials, also sets chapter marks.
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post #54 of 229
4/16/08 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by ak3883 View Post

The manual clearly states that you can manually insert chapter marks in +R discs, and details how you do it in the title edit menu. I guess it's a ruse, that the chapter marks created are only readable by this/Toshiba players.

You are correct that the manual does state it's possible on +R, but it's another example of misinformation that seems to have plagued this series of models (they swore up and down in their original brochures that the 400 series could both read and record to DVD-RAM). I've found that manual chapter marks are only available on DVD-RW (VR mode) and DVD+RW.
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post #55 of 229
4/19/08 at 5:10pm
I just bought the Toshiba D-R410 and have got it set up. I know this is a stupid question, but how do you program what channel you want to record?
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post #56 of 229
4/19/08 at 6:30pm
You don't. This model has no channels because it has no tuner. You have to plug in a cable/satellite box or some other source. Furthermore, there is no IR blaster to control those external sources. If that doesn't work for you, better to return it and get something with a tuner.
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post #57 of 229
4/20/08 at 6:58am
Thanks so much, that is what I needed to know.
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post #58 of 229
4/20/08 at 7:28am
Hi guys i'm looking at this model now(maybe buying it today) to record my son's cartoons and a few of our shows.

A few questions for you:

1) From all the reading here, it seems that all DVD recorders can only record a max 480i signal, is this indeed correct?

But what about 480p?(via component?). I thought at least that was possible on some DVD recorders, especially the one's with build in tuners.

2) This unit uses s-video inputs, so i'm guessing it's 480i, is this correct?

3) This unit has no optical digital output, but it has HDMI. I guess i don't need optical out if i eventually send all my HDMI outputs(eventually) to a reciever and then to my HDTV and 5.1 sound. Is this correct?

I'll be using with a Sony XBR960 34" HDTV(crt), and a Scientific Atlantic 8300 HD, and eventually some sort of 5.1 surround sound.

This unit is just for now(a couple yrs max), because i'm waiting on the HD recorders to finally arrive, and then i can put alot more money into one of those.

Thanks so much for any info.

Phil
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post #59 of 229
4/20/08 at 8:42am
1) Correct
2) I don't know of any with component inputs, at least one's that aren't outrageously expensive. But 480i over s-video actually looks very good, especially from an HD source.
3) Right, no optical, but it DOES have coax digitial out for DTS/DD 5.1. Many Panasonics have optical digital out. And you're correct that you need neither with an HDMI switching receiver.

IMHO, I would skip this model if I were you and get one with a tuner so you don't have to watch what you're recording. Also, I'd get one that uses DVD-RAM, so you can reliably record over and over on one the same disk. So a Panasonic, like an EZ27 or 28 would be a better fit. The toshiba is fine for me because I have different requirements. I only use it to archive stuff I've already recorded on another DVR or camcorder. If I wanted to use it like a VCR, I'd have gotten something like the Panasonic. They are more expensive than the Toshiba, but if you want to save some money, you can pick up a used EZ27 on ebay for under $100. And if you want to do any editing, go for a model with a hard disk.
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post #60 of 229
4/20/08 at 9:20am
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1) Correct
2) I don't know of any with component inputs, at least one's that aren't outrageously expensive. But 480i over s-video actually looks very good, especially from an HD source.
3) Right, no optical, but it DOES have coax digitial out for DTS/DD 5.1. Many Panasonics have optical digital out. And you're correct that you need neither with an HDMI switching receiver.

IMHO, I would skip this model if I were you and get one with a tuner so you don't have to watch what you're recording. Also, I'd get one that uses DVD-RAM, so you can reliably record over and over on one the same disk. So a Panasonic, like an EZ27 or 28 would be a better fit. The toshiba is fine for me because I have different requirements. I only use it to archive stuff I've already recorded on another DVR or camcorder. If I wanted to use it like a VCR, I'd have gotten something like the Panasonic. They are more expensive than the Toshiba, but if you want to save some money, you can pick up a used EZ27 on ebay for under $100. And if you want to do any editing, go for a model with a hard disk.

Thank You for the great advise.

Besides the DVD-RAM option, which is nice, but to be honest we don't really need to have it(at least now), and it's built in tuner is great..but i don't watch alot of tv actually(i'm a beta tester and a avid console and pc gamer), so i plan on recording when my son is in school.

Besides those two, and those are nice for the extra $100 or so, would there be any difference in picture quality over the Toshiba-410?

TIA

btw: I really like it's optical digital output, as well.


Thanks so much, because both are good deals and now are my two choices
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