The "Official" Canon Vixia HF10 / HF100 Owner's Thread - Page 54

This is from the notes under '12x Optical Zoom' in the HF10/100 manual (pg37):

• Keep at least 1 m (3.3 ft.) away from the
subject. At full wide angle, you can
focus on a subject as close as 1 cm
(0.39 in.).

Ok, So I was able to get this to work on my work PC as well as my personal Mac going through terminal with the info you provided above.

However when I tried to run the combined file through voltaicHD the file failed.

Here is what I'm doing. I have three files. 00010.MTS (1.9gb) 00011.MTS (1.9gb) 00012.MTS (623.2 mb)
I run the join using the command you suggested above and it seems to work fine. However when I run it in Voltaic HD it fails.

I might try and edit the video footage that I need on my work PC using the provided software that came with the camera... save it as some file type then burn it to a dvd so I can edit it here...

Has anyone used VirtualDub to edit m2ts files.. Does it require re-encoding like Vegas or Pinnacle? I'm thinking this may be a time saver if it doesn't.. here is a tutorial here.. not sure if its worth pursuing or not:

http://www.jakeludington.com/camcord...mcorders.html/

I gave this a try.. it was able to bring up the m2ts file.. but on playing it, it was interlaced and jerky.. i think i am missing a step, but if this works for simple editing (trimming).. then it would eliminate the need to re-encode, unless there were transitions and menu's in the project.. i thought i read somewhere, there may be a way to avoid re-encoding even with menu's, but i dont think i followed the steps too well...

1920 is there under MainConcept AVC/AAC (*mp4) but not under Sony AVC.

I've tried it out with Pal 25p m2ts files and could not get it to work.
It's a while ago and I can't remember exactly in which way it did not work but I spent quite some time trying without success.

Yeah, i remember seeing that, but i also tried MainConcept once before and found the quality was pretty bad, even at 15mbps..

Pixelated and all.. has anyone else tried mainconcept and found it inferior to avc?

Well i checked with media info and pinnacle 12's avc option is only doing 1440x1080, not the full 1920x1080 of my original m2ts file.. this sucks quite a bit.

**its interesting as when i view the media info on the original m2ts file.. it shows the "first video stream" at 15.1mbps.. 1920x1080 at 29.970 fps.. i guess the interesting part, or maybe not so much is the 15.1 (i was expecting 17, but i guess this is just a max for the camera); my 30p progressive still camera mov file shows 30fps.. i sortof was expecting it to say 60i for the canon.. but i guess the 29.970 x 2, would equate to the 60i recording mode i was using... what would this value have been if i had had it on 30p (the same im guessing? just not "interlaced")

Seems Vegas 8.0 and TmpgEnc 4.0 Xpress add null packets to 720p output which results in the file being bigger than it really should be. I had to use hdtvtompeg2 to remove it.

I should follow up with this:

If you have an mts file from the camera.. rename it to m2ts.. then plop that guy into DVD Architect 5.x.. it will say it needs to recompress as the audio format isnt compliant, but if you rename it back to mts, then it says "recompress=no"..

So if there is a way to edit the mts/m2ts files without recompressing then saving as mts again, it seems that DVD Architect will let you render the media with a menu at least, without recompression

Total time on quad core 2.4ghz to render the iso in architect (renders audio only) is 47 seconds for a 1 minute clip (vs about 8 minutes on a re-render)

Now if only there was a way to throw in transitions and effects without re-rendering.

UPDATE: I tried AVCHD with the image type of AVC instead of the usual image type of avchd with Pinnacle 12.. when you do this, the resulting image is 1920x1080, however, i was able to notice some pixelation in scenes, whereas before with purely the avc codec, though at 1440x1080, there was none (none in original).

I also tried that render as.. m2t mainconcept option in Vegas, but the resulting file had no video for some reason.. i'm not sure how to use renderas, mainconcept and get m2ts or mts as the resultant file?

I ran into a problem with this on a Windows XP machine. I copied off the mts files and joined them with the copy /b option.

The I opened my MF 6 +HD and pulled it in with a view to outputing a DVD9 (5). The problem was that the program didn't seem to recognise that the file was longer than the clip.

First clip was about 1 min, total file was about 20. MF6 just rendered the first part of the file and the rest didn't go.

On play back it gave about 10 secs of the 2nd clip's sound, no vision, and then went back to the menu.

Haven't tried importing via the Pixela as I have the codec it doesn't like, which I use for playback of other files.

Anyone else seen this behaviour?

Seggers

Here is a list of my equipment: Canon Vixia HF 10, Sony KDL-40V2500 1080 high-def LCD TV, Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi receiver and a HDMI 1.3 cable with one end being mini-HDMI, not the Canon brand cable.

I tried hooking up the HDMI from my camcorder to my TV and it does not work. I also tried hooking the HDMI to the HDMI-in on my receiver and still did not work. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a way I can get this to work?

I did get it to work using the supplied component cables.

I forgot to mention, I do have an HDMI cable from my Dish network DVR to my receiver and a HDMI to my TV.

My computer is a Dell Dimension 4600 with windows XP home edition Sp2, 2 GB of ram, a 2nd 320 GB hard drive and Pentium 4 with 2.40 GHz.

I'm Using Imagemixer 3 SE that came with the camcorder. When I try to transfer about 1.5 hours of 1080 video (all at once) I get a dialog box that says: "Insufficient destination capacity, Check the library destination capacity specified in the preference settings". How do I change the capacity settings?

I was able to transfer a couple of 2 minute scenes.

Can anyone comment on what the fps via media info, should be showing up as on the original mts/m2ts files off the Canon? Mine show 29.970fps.. i thought i had it on 60i mode.. what would they show up as if it were set to 30P? I'm guessing this is right though ? Not sure if in Pinnacle 12, if i should do the "use progressive encoding" option.. it says to only use this if the original was progressive ..

From what i'm reading on other sites, the camera is using 60i for all 3 modes? Is this true.. so the 30p and 24p aren't truly progressive?

Looks OK to me.

Did you use the render as option in sony vegas to generate the main concept file.. what type of extension was it?

As i mentioned, DVD Architect seems to want to recode the whole thing with the resultant file..

You don't change the capacity settings. How much free space do you have on the drive that is specified in the destination setting? 1.5 Hours needs about 12 GB.

Yes. Render as: MainConcept AVC/AAC, mp4, custom setting to 1920x1080 or 1280x720, 25.000 (Pal), Progressive.

I am still experimenting with Interlaced. Sometimes the players don't seem to see it as interlaced and show the tearing. Any idea on that?

I am not using DVD Architect so can't comment on that.

By the way Nero 8 smartrenders m2ts files beautifully.

Once you render this mp4 are you just exporting it to bluray image via Vegas's option? You mentioned 25 fps.. so the original was shot this way? PAL? I'm guessing that is an outside the US thing right?

I'm still not clear on what i should be setting things to if the cam is at 60i.. again it shows as 29 fps in the info though.

Are you saying that nero 8 can edit m2ts and then re-render, quicker than say pinnacle or vegas? Ill have to try this out as well.

No, I am just playing it on the PC using Media Player Classic or Nero. (By the way: ffdshow does not work well for me, but the Nero decoder is perfect.)

I have also converted the 25p low light shots to standard definition DV and mixed it with a friends 50i, shoulder mounted camera (with a big light). After editing we converted all to DVD and the two cameras blend well together.


Yes, Cape Town, South Africa.


Yes. You have to use: Make DVD, AVCHD, not: Export.

Just tried Nero Vision 8.0.. it took 3 minutes to do the original m2ts file (didnt try editing it in here yet) on the quad core..

I first tried AVCHD, but the bit rate only went to 14mbps.. i played the resultant file and noticed the same pixelation in the one scene..

Then i tried BDisc type, custom set it to 17mbps.. the resultant file was 192mb, vs 160 for avchd, but i thought it looked really close to the original in quality.

Just tested it again: 1:11 min clip, 140MB took 18 seconds, 100% smart render. It creates an mts file in the same folder structure as the camera.

Cool.. but at least in my tests, i think the BD image type at 17mbps looked closer to the original.. you should try that one and compare.. particularly if you have a scene with a little bit of panning and darker colors (shading).. i can pick out pixelation with nero (and pinnacle's) avchd options.

Btw.. using dvd architect, if i take that mp4.. it of course recodes it.. seems that it will take about 20 minutes for the 1m 22s clip.. which seems silly to export (render as) once in sony, then have to do it again in DVDarchitect (of course nero didnt need to do this and it looked decent using the Bluray type disc option)..

I'm leaning towards using Sony Vegas to edit, render as AVC mp4 when done, then use Nero8 to Bluray image type.. of course you did say that i should be able to trim clips in nero and not recode.. havent tried that yet.

I'm not sure if the "bluray" type is the most compatible though, compared to AVCHD..

The other option is to edit in Pinnacle and output to MPEG2 Bluray type there.. which is probably the same thing nero is doing.

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Originally Posted by gteague

yes! unfortunately i've been on an aggressive work cycle stuck on a windows machine here at the job so i've been unable to try any of these commands yet. but i have the 3-day weekend coming up and this will be my first priority.

i just can't believe that if its this easy, and there's obviously such a need for it, why neither toast 9 nor imovie nor quicktime pro has this seemingly simple and important feature built right in. i do have an app called 'visual hub' which will combine files, but not avchd files unfortunately.

/guy

i can confirm that this does *not*, repeat *not* work using the above-mentioned unix cat command and toast 9 avchd player. it crashed the standalone (external) video player and the toast internal player claimed the 15 minute footage was only 25 seconds and it didn't even play that 25 seconds smoothly.

/guy

I have 288 GB free space on my hard drive!

You don't change the capacity settings. How much free space do you have on the drive that is specified in the destination setting? 1.5 Hours needs about 12 GB.

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has the bp-819 in stock for $120

I am about to purchase an HF-100 and read somewhere that the camcorder may not recognize some class 6 cards (A-Data) as full class 6 and thus won't allow full resolution recording.
Can anyone confirm this and recommend a good card? - Transcend?, Patriot?
Thanks.

Happens with Transcend cards too. I heard PNY is a good brand, it's used by the National Geographic.

Which Transcend card are you talking about? I was planning to use the 8GB Class 6 Transcend SDHC (Blue). Even though it is rated at Class 6, its real speed is over 12MB/s sustained write speed - i.e. twice as fast as Class 6 specs. So it should be more than sufficient for HF100.