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post #1321 of 1568
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

For the tv, shouldn't that be a simple matter of dial the ch up button from channel 2 to reach the Line inputs? Or ch up or down from the current input. He's obviously seeing DirecTV, so the other input chs should be next to the one with Direct.

I don't know. On HDTV's the inputs aren't usually at the end of the channels. But your post did get me thinking. OP still has coax coming into his tv for apparently no reason. He probably expects the DVR to come in over that even though we haven't told him to connect it that way. As soon as he sorts out how to pick different inputs, he'll be in business.
post #1322 of 1568
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I don't know. On HDTV's the inputs aren't usually at the end of the channels since you've got so many plus cable, OTA and several other inputs. But your post did get me thinking. OP still has coax coming into his tv for apparently no reason. He probably expects the DVR to come in over that even though we haven't told him to connect it that way. As soon as he sorts out how to pick different inputs, he'll be in business.

I, too, overlooked the coax cable(s) connected to the TV and DMR-ES48 in catyoulater's photos. That should have been the tip-off that these connections are unnecessary complications. The need of the hour is basic functionality with DirectTV before integratration of antenna reception into this installation.

Catchyoulater,

Coax cable connections to/from the TV and EZ48 present unnecessary complications for your installation. To avoid this confusion you need to disconnect the coax cable(s) from your TV and EZ48.

(I could go on to describe operational circumstances related to the EZ48 model's initially unmodulated and then modulated RF output, but that would not appreciably advance the present discussion.)
post #1323 of 1568
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

I, too, overlooked the coax cable(s) connected to the TV and DMR-ES48 in catyoulater's photos. That should have been the tip-off that these connections are unnecessary complications. The need of the hour is basic functionality with DirectTV before integratration of antenna reception into this installation.

Catchyoulater,

Coax cable connections to/from the TV and EZ48 have no current purpose in your installation. To avoid this confusion you need to disconnect the coax cable(s) from your TV and EZ48.

Oh man..I hope we aren't overwhelming catyoulater...

...But I went back and looked at the photos he posted here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post18956526 and I noticed..
On the ez48, there are composite cables-yellow video, red/white audio, connected to the Input plugs-the bottom row, next to the s-video plug. But in the sat box photo, those cables aren't in the output plugs there. I'm guessing the installer used component cables-red/green/blue (those are for video), and used the sole audio outputs to run to the hdtv. So that explains the mystery of no sat box feed to the ez48.
And the 48 has a set of red/white audio cables in one of it's output plugs, which aren't shown going anywhere.
There are 2 sets of composite out to tv plugs in back of the ez48.
And only one set of inputs in back.

So, catyoulater,here are your photos, with notes on how (I hope) things should be connected to allow sat box feed to the tv, and the 48, and the 48 out to tv.
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post #1324 of 1568
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

Oh man..I hope we aren't overwhelming catyoulater...

...But I went back and looked at the photos he posted here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post18956526 and I noticed..
On the ez48, there are composite cables-yellow video, red/white audio, connected to the Input plugs-the bottom row, next to the s-video plug. But in the sat box photo, those cables aren't in the output plugs there. I'm guessing the installer used component cables-red/green/blue (those are for video), and used the sole audio outputs to run to the hdtv. So that explains the mystery of no sat box feed to the ez48.
And the 48 has a set of red/white audio cables in one of it's output plugs, which aren't shown going anywhere.
There are 2 sets of composite out to tv plugs in back of the ez48.
And only one set of inputs in back.

So, catyoulater,here are your photos, with notes on how (I hope) things should be connected to allow sat box feed to the tv, and the 48, and the 48 out to tv.

LOL, well I am overwhelmed by it all but have been trying to keep up! I'm a girl, btw, not a guy (I think someone above referred to a "he") anyway thank you SOOOO much for the diagrams!

A friend at work saw that antenna cable and told me to remove it too. I can't remember why it's there, but think it was connected to the Dish DVR in the RF in or out, whatever...

I did purchase another s-video cable just in case I need that.

After I follow your diagram I'll take photos and post and hopefully will have good news that it works! Thanks guys! Tech guys rule!
post #1325 of 1568
Am I hopeless or what????

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Originally Posted by Westly-C
Oh man..I hope we aren't overwhelming catyoulater...

...But I went back and looked at the photos he posted here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post18956526 and I noticed..
On the ez48, there are composite cables-yellow video, red/white audio, connected to the Input plugs-the bottom row, next to the s-video plug. But in the sat box photo, those cables aren't in the output plugs there. I'm guessing the installer used component cables-red/green/blue (those are for video), and used the sole audio outputs to run to the hdtv. So that explains the mystery of no sat box feed to the ez48.
And the 48 has a set of red/white audio cables in one of it's output plugs, which aren't shown going anywhere.
There are 2 sets of composite out to tv plugs in back of the ez48.
And only one set of inputs in back.

So, catchyoulater,here are your photos, with notes on how (I hope) things should be connected to allow sat box feed to the tv, and the 48, and the 48 out to tv.

Okay, so I hooked it up per Wes's diagrams, but I may have been a bit confused on the back of the EZ48 where he has the green rectangle and yellow rectangle. So here are pics of what I did, show me what I did wrong.
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post #1326 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Am I hopeless or what????

Okay, so I hooked it up per Wes's diagrams, but I may have been a bit confused on the back of the EZ48 where he has the green rectangle and yellow rectangle. So here are pics of what I did, show me what I did wrong.

No, you're not hopeless. With all the advice it's no wonder there has been some confusion.

Here are my initial observations concerning your latest photos:

1. The only RF coax cable that needs to be part of your present set-up is for inputting the raw DirectTV coax cable feed directly to the DirectTV tuner.

2. The RF coax cables connected to the EZ48 and TV should be removed as they are an unnecessary complication for this initial setup. Later, if you wish to have a separate feed for antenna reception/recording, the RF coax cable from an antenna may be connected to the EZ48 RF input followed by an antenna channel scan. With such a future setup you may or may not wish to use a RF connection from the EZ48 to the TV--or you may continue to use the connectivity method that will be implemented today. Leave those other matters for another day.

3. I see that the EZ48 has a S-Video cable occupying the output section. But the TV has S-Video and composite yellow cables occupying the same "composite" input section. There needs to be a single S-Video or composite yellow cable, not both, as well as the white/red audio cables, occupying the same "composite" input section. Since the EZ48 is using the S-Video output the composite yellow cable to the TV's input section should be disconnected. Additional clarification as to the S-Video connections are found on page 70 of the DMR-EZ48/485 Operating Instructions.

4. Am I correct in assuming the the two cables attached to the TV's Audio/Video output section are feeds to an extenal amplifier or receiver? If not, where do these cables go?

These observations are based upon my best attempt to follow the cables as they appear in your photos. As the cables go beyond the photo margins I am assuming that they are are correctly arranged and connected.

With more study of your photos I've revised this post several times due to my initial "geezer moment" errors.
post #1327 of 1568
I'm glad you're keeping a sense of humor with all this. When you're stuck alone with no one there to help figure it out, things can get a touch confusing.

Okay, for the ez48, take the red/white audio cable out of the top row output plugs (going to the hdtv), and move those over to the audio outputs next to where you have the s-video cable plugged in. When using s-video cable, I believe the audio cables must be plugged into the same set where the s-vid plug is.

And you've still seeing Directv on the hdtv with no problems aren't you? So far, it's just getting a Directv feed to your dvd recorder, and getting the ez48's feed to the tv?
post #1328 of 1568
Thanks, Digado.

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2. The RF coax cables connected to the EZ48 and TV should be removed as they are an unnecessary complication for this initial setup. Later, if you wish to have a separate feed for antenna reception/recording, the RF coax cable from an antenna may be connected to the EZ48 RF input followed by an antenna channel scan. With such a future setup you may or may not wish to use a RF connection from the EZ48 to the TV--or you may continue to use the connectivity method that will be implemented today. Leave those other matters for another day.

Okay, I tried to unscrew that rf coax but neither end would budge. They are overtightened so am going to have to get some pliars and do that. BTW, I think at one time that was connected to the large antenna on the roof BEFORE the digital conversion went into effect. So it's obsolete now.

Yes, I thought having both s-video and the yellow, white and red cables was overkill but I really got confused. So will try again tonight with your suggestion. So I can remove the yellow/red/white cables and only use the s-video? Do the s-video cables carry audio and video?

Is that rf cable interferring with the setup/transmission, in case I can't remove it? (am sure a good twist with the pliars will do it).

Thanks again guys! Saving a girl's sanity one day at a time!
post #1329 of 1568
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post

I'm glad you're keeping a sense of humor with all this. When you're stuck alone with no one there to help figure it out, things can get a touch confusing.

Okay, for the ez48, take the red/white audio cable out of the top row output plugs (going to the hdtv), and move those over to the audio outputs next to where you have the s-video cable plugged in. When using s-video cable, I believe the audio cables must be plugged into the same set where the s-vid plug is.

And you've still seeing Directv on the hdtv with no problems aren't you? So far, it's just getting a Directv feed to your dvd recorder, and getting the ez48's feed to the tv?

Can't wait to try all this when I get home. It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "no social life" lol.
post #1330 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Can't wait to try all this when I get home. It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "no social life" lol.


We will get this sorted out...even if it kills us.
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post #1331 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Can't wait to try all this when I get home. It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "no social life" lol.

I'm still following this discussion but stepped back, too many cooks spoil the pot and all. But I have to ask, how do you select the different inputs to watch on your TV? If you are watching the satellite box what channel does your TV have to be on? Do you have something like CMP1 or VID1, or is it like my old RCA set that has the inputs on channels 91 and 92?

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I think I found your TV owner's manual here.

If that's the right manual for your TV you might have to set up the autotuning feature as shown on page 25 in the manual (pdf pg 27) to make the inputs work properly.
post #1332 of 1568
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

I'm still following this discussion but stepped back, too many cooks spoil the pot and all. But I have to ask, how do you select the different inputs to watch on your TV? If you are watching the satellite box what channel does your TV have to be on? Do you have something like CMP1 or VID1, or is it like my old RCA set that has the inputs on channels 91 and 92?

Okay, this I believe I know the answer to. The installer set the DirecTV remote to CMP1 for tv viewing! Ta da!

I usually set my EZ48 to Ch 3 and don't use the tuner to tune to stations, obviously. All the channels came through from the Dish DVR.
post #1333 of 1568
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Originally Posted by Westly-C View Post


We will get this sorted out...even if it kills us.

To answer your questions on the first picture:
1. Are these cables coming from the Directv box. No. I am running those to the back of the TV set into the Composite Inputs you see in the center of the back of tv photo.

2. Second picture question: RGB component and audio cables yes they are running from the Directv box to the back of the tv in the first group of Component inputs.

3. Dare I ask where these are going to? Yes, you dare! lol. Those are audio going to the stereo speakers. Not involved with the directv box or ez48.

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post #1334 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Thanks, Digado.

Yes, I thought having both s-video and the yellow, white and red cables was overkill but I really got confused. So will try again tonight with your suggestion. So I can remove the yellow/red/white cables and only use the s-video? Do the s-video cables carry audio and video?

Is that rf cable interferring with the setup/transmission, in case I can't remove it? (am sure a good twist with the pliars will do it).

Thanks again guys! Saving a girl's sanity one day at a time!

Page 70 in the DMR-EZ48 Operating Instructions clarifies that the S-Video requires use with the white/red cables for audio.

In a way the unnecessary RF cable connections are complicating this setup--as I am assuming that you found that you may play videotapes and DVDs with the RF connection directly to the TV.

Your reliance upon the RF connection is preventing you from using the EZ48 INPUT SELECT to locate the more important connection that provides you with DirectTV programming and EZ48 generated content. You need to "find" that connection with the EZ48 INPUT SELECT as well as the correct input with the TV remote. When that happens you will have it all. Or rather, you will have almost all of it...

Dare I mention that when that happens you will no longer need to use the TV's RF input unless you want to watch a local broadcast station received through an antenna while you are recording from DirectTV. That's when we will need to discuss the operating characteristics of DVD recorders that have an RF output that may be switched from an unmodulated RF output to a modulated RF output and requires a powering off to return to the unmodulated status. Those are other complications coming with a entirely different project--where I've suggested that you "leave those other matters for another day."
post #1335 of 1568
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Page 70 in the DMR-EZ48 Operating Instructions clarifies that the S-Video requires use with the white/red cables for audio.

In a way the unnecessary RF cable connections are complicating this setup--as I am assuming that you found that you may play videotapes and DVDs with the RF connection directly to the TV.

Your reliance upon the RF connection is preventing you from using INPUT SELECT to locate the more important connection that provides you with DirectTV programming and EZ48 generated content. You need to "find" that connection. When that happens you will no longer need to use the TV's RF input unless you want to watch a local broadcast station received through an antenna while you are recording from DirectTV. That's when we will need to discuss the operating characteristics of DVD recorders that have an RF output that may be switched from an unmodulated RF output to a modulated RF output and requires a powering off to return to the unmodulated status. Those are other complications coming with a entirely different project--where I've suggested that you "leave those other matters for another day."

Okay, so remove that RV coax cable entirely and that might help the ez48 remote input select?
post #1336 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Okay, so remove that RV coax cable entirely and that might help the ez48 remote input select?

Yes, that should put a stop to the notion of reliance upon the TV's RF input.

Please notice that I've made some important clarifications to my post after you quoted it.

At one point I was going to ask if you are in the Portland Oregon area. In that case I would have offered to come by to help. But now that we find out that you are a "girl" my wife would have something to say about my helping out "a damsel in distress."
post #1337 of 1568
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

Yes, that should put a stop to the notion of reliance upon the TV's RF input.

Please notice that I've made some important clarifications to my post after you quoted it.

Do you mean this clarification?

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Dare I mention that when that happens you will no longer need to use the TV's RF input unless you want to watch a local broadcast station received through an antenna while you are recording from DirectTV. That's when we will need to discuss the operating characteristics of DVD recorders that have an RF output that may be switched from an unmodulated RF output to a modulated RF output and requires a powering off to return to the unmodulated status. Those are other complications coming with a entirely different project--where I've suggested that you "leave those other matters for another day."

I won't want to do that. Nothing over the air needs taping, or watching etc. All I want to do is use the ez48 with the satellite tuner the way I was using it before. Watching DVDs/VHS and taping various programs to have on DVD so I can play them whenever and not rely on the DVR. Also, am still transferring home video tapes to dvd! And now, am going out to lunch. It's been an exhausting morning! lol
post #1338 of 1568
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Originally Posted by catchyoulater View Post

Do you mean this clarification?



...All I want to do is use the ez48 with the satellite tuner the way I was using it before. Watching DVDs/VHS and taping various programs to have on DVD so I can play them whenever and not rely on the DVR. Also, am still transferring home video tapes to dvd! And now, am going out to lunch. It's been an exhausting morning! lol

Not really. The "important clarifications" I referred to are found in this text:

"Your reliance upon the RF connection is preventing you from using the EZ48 INPUT SELECT to locate the more important connection that provides you with DirectTV programming and EZ48 generated content. You need to "find" that connection with the EZ48 INPUT SELECT as well as the correct input with the TV remote. When that happens you will have it all. Or rather, you will have almost all of it..."

When it comes to copying videotapes to DVD, if you still have a VCR be sure not to throw it out just yet. That's another discussion for another day, whew!
post #1339 of 1568
Okay, I am going to apologize ahead of time for what I am about to say, but here goes. If this were MY setup, I would pull everything and start over.

Talk about too many opinions!

1) After looking at your pictures, I would get a HDMI / DVI cable * and connect the DirecTV box to your television using that cable. It is digital, and will give you the best possible picture. There are two audio connectors next to that connector on the back of your television, so you will need to include a L/R audio cable with the HDMI / DVI cable. (...later...)

2) I would take the component output of the DVD recorder and plug it into the component 1 input of your television (CMP1).

3) I would plug an S-Video cable between the DirecTV receiver OUT to the S-Video IN of the DVD recorder.

That's it for the video.

4) Split the audio (L/R) output of the DirecTV receiver. Send one L/R set to the DVI input of the television (see 1 above). Send the other L/R set to the audio input of the DVD recorder (see page 7 of the EZ48 manual (7) audio/video input terminals and (8) S-Video input terminal.)

5) lastly, (see 2 above) connect audio cable L/R from the DVD recorder output to the audio input of CMP1 on your television.

That's what *I* would do if I were you.

You will get high definition from the DirecTV box on the DVI/Digital input of your television.

You will be able to record from the DirecTV box to the EZ48 using the line inputs.

You will be able to watch/monitor the EZ48 output by turning the TV to CMP1 input.

THAT'S what I would do. (...he said redundantly)

I'm hope I have not confused you even more, but I think this is the SIMPLEST setup that will allow you the fullest functionality. Leave the rest of it out. It is non functional, or worse.

PS If you want to record two things at once, you will need a second "antenna in" to your DirecTV box.
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I was afraid of that!
post #1342 of 1568
I'd use the DVI too, but on the EZ48 instead to get 1080p upconversion. DirecTV is already HD over component. I've tried both HDMI and component from my box and can't tell any difference. This is all assuming the OP's TV is 1080p of course.
post #1343 of 1568
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I'd use the DVI too, but on the EZ48 instead to get 1080p upconversion. DirecTV is already HD over component. I've tried both HDMI and component from my box and can't tell any difference. This is all assuming the OP's TV is 1080p of course.



I'm afraid to ask, but how do I find out if my TV set is 1080p? Okay, when I get home let me try, um, the basic fix for the connections & with the cables I already have. Then we can talk about DVIs and HDMIs and 1080ps (gulp) my head is spinning.
post #1344 of 1568
It is extremely unlikely that the television is 1080p compliant. On page 14 of the users manual that Ken.F posted the URL for, which by the way looks right to me, it says:

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The DVI HDTV connection is designed to display either progressive scan (480p) or HDTV (1080i) signals at a bandwidth of up to 1.78 Gigabits per second.

This sounds exactly like my old Panasonic, which also wasn't able to do 720p.

"...my head is spinning." You need to take a deep breath and relax. IT'S ONLY TELEVISION!

A digital connection (should) in theory always be superior, but my experience (like that of mdavej) is that they LOOK almost the same. I always use the BEST connection possible, and the cable is much thinner so there's less of it.
post #1345 of 1568
Okay, I unplugged the rf coax thingy.

I am attaching updated photos of what the connections look like now. In order to view the vhs tape and a dvd I have to switch the input on the directv remote to VID1. I believe the remote on the ez48 goes to INI 1, as it won't toggle and stay on anything else. However, the input selector on the ez remote won't toggle. It is only by using channel up or down that I can get it to toggle at all! I can VIEW both vhs and dvd on that selection but I get no picture of what's on the satellite on the tv. I DO, however, hear the sound for the directv feed! Progress! I feel I'm soooo close!!!

Anyway, I would like to point out in the first photo, see those red and white cables just below the RBG cables on back of the directv box on the Y-spliiter where one set is from the TV to the directv? Well the other pair go to the red white on the ez48...that's why I put the four pins together like that.

So that leaves the red and white pins way over there on the right of the ez48 which are going to the back of the tv set, next to where the s-video is. It seems to me after what someone said about the cables having to be together that there's a video connection still missing somewhere.

I feel so bad about "hijacking" this thread!!! I can't believe what a process this has become.

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post #1346 of 1568
^ I think we're almost home. the second photo showing the back of the tv looks fine (red-green-blue video and red/white audio from sat box to tv, and s-video and red/white audio from the 48 to tv). The first photo, here's where I hope we can solve this...

You now need a yellow video cable plugged in the Directv box in that bottom row, going into the ez48's yellow video plug next to the red/white cables. That is the Line 1 input channel plug for the 48. With this, you should have video along with audio from the sat box on the 48's Line input channel 1-the only way you'll be able to view and record the feed from the box on the 48.

If using the Directv remote control is adding to your confusion, regarding switching to the tv's Line inputs to view Directv or the 48, can you use the tv's remote control instead? Just a thought...

Crosses fingers...Please, let there be video!
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post #1347 of 1568
Thank you ALL so very much! It was those last two yellow video plugs that Westly mentioned... also, in the meantime, I was playing around with the settings on the DirecTV remote and found that it could automatically program the DMR-EZ48V to the AV1 on the directv remote, it made a connection and voila, I was finally able to see the ez48's on-screen displays for settings! That's when I came here to tell you and found Westly's final suggestion. I went in and connected those two and HOORAY! Able to view the satellite feed on the Vid1 setting and tape it as well. Whew. It works! It's all set up!!! Hugs and kisses!!!! You guys are sooo cool. Thank you very much!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled forum threads....
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post #1348 of 1568
Nice to see that you got it all worked out

Well my machine gave up the ghost, it now makes the clunking sound even if there is no DVD in the machine. We cleaned up the machine and it was dirty, but upon putting it back together, it still will not recognize any DVD. So I guess it's off to the $130 prepaid shop for us. Does anyone know how long they warranty the work they do for you? If it's a short period of time, we will have to decide if we really want to go that way.

All of you guys in here have been so helpful, I wish I could give something back....
post #1349 of 1568
Now that it's working, document it all.

Congratulations--and enjoy.

Moral: We here all know so much about we are talking about, it's a wonder we can communicate anything to anybody!
post #1350 of 1568
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Well my machine gave up the ghost, it now makes the clunking sound even if there is no DVD in the machine. We cleaned up the machine and it was dirty, but upon putting it back together, it still will not recognize any DVD. So I guess it's off to the $130 prepaid shop for us. Does anyone know how long they warranty the work they do for you? If it's a short period of time, we will have to decide if we really want to go that way.

Spending $130 to fix an ez48? May I suggest that you consider getting the Magnavox 2160 refurb from J&R? While I really do like the picture quality of the Pannys, and RAM disc capabilities, I just don't think it's worth it to spend that amount fixing a 48. With the 2160, you'll gain a hdd with digital tuner for roughly the same price ($159).
Just something to consider, just thought I'd put that out there.
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