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post #31 of 2309
4/4/08 at 2:16am
what version number is the retail release?
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post #32 of 2309
4/4/08 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by tsb View Post

what version number is the retail release?

My PowerDVD8.0.exe says 1531.
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post #33 of 2309
4/4/08 at 4:17am
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PowerDVD 8 can playback any type of disk. Namely CD, DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray disks.

So, has anyone successfully played back an HD DVD disc? Or is Cyberlinks tech support smoking something here?

Vern
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post #34 of 2309
4/4/08 at 4:35am
I don't know where your quote comes from. The FAQ on Cyberlink's site is very clear - no HD-DVD support in V8, but you can keep your V7 Ultra installation to playback HD-DVD.
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post #35 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:05am
Look a little further back in this thread and you will see where it came from....

Vern
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post #36 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by KeithHurst View Post

As I still want to play my back catalogue HD-DVDs I contacted Cyberlink's support regarding this issue. Here is there reply...


Hope this helps.
Keith

They are nuts. No HD-DVD support in PDVD8. That's what you get for outsourcing your support.
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post #37 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Favelle View Post

So no hard-drice playback I presume???

Other than mounting ISO's using DT, not that I've tested. I gave up HDD directory trees when 3730 stopped supporting it, as it doesn't really buy me anything, and Sony made it clear they don't want that supported.

If someone can test this, it would be nice to know for sure.
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post #38 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by gtg465x View Post

I wonder if having version 7 and 8 installed simultaneously causes any codec conflicts.

I have both installed for HD-DVD support (3319a). No conflicts that I see, and PDVD7 still looks worse for SD DVD, so it seems the codecs are isolated, either by version or name or something else.
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post #39 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:26am
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When you said plays blu-ray iso's does this mean you can play off the hard drive via mounting an iso to a virtual drive?

Yes. I use DaemonTools Lite.
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post #40 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by w1seman View Post

But it still downconverts the audio via analog out to 16/48, thats a shame!
The annoying aliasing effect with 8600 GTS is still there too.

CL is one of the worst software companies I have ever seen, shame on these morons.

Are you sure? This might be your analog card/MB sound card configuration/problem.

I've always gotten whatever I configured Vista to put out (currently at 24/96). Make sure in Windows/Sound you have the default (on the last tab) as high as your sound card supports.

My Onkyo 905 reports 96 (over HDMI PCM, but it did the same when I was using analog), although not sure I can see the bit rate.
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post #41 of 2309
4/4/08 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

Are you sure? This might be your analog card/MB sound card configuration/problem.

I've always gotten whatever I configured Vista to put out (currently at 24/96). Make sure in Windows/Sound you have the default (on the last tab) as high as your sound card supports.

My Onkyo 905 reports 96 (over HDMI PCM, but it did the same when I was using analog), although not sure I can see the bit rate.

I'm working on XP.
My soundcard automatically sets the correct kHz when getting data from applications. Even when i manually set it to 96 kHz it will get set back to 48 kHz when PDVD starts.

I don't really think that your PowerDVD does give out true 24/96. U have just forced your soundcard to resample everything which is played back to 24/96, no matter what the applications really send. But that is no real 24/96 support of PowerDVD.

When playing back the 24/96 DTS-HD Track of the Queen Bluray it also only says 48 kHz in the own information window of PowerDVD.

So i guess they are even downmixing it on a very early level, in the PowerDVD codec.

Which titles do u use for DTS-HD MA 96 kHz check?

PS No reciever on earth can ever check which rate a analog signal has.
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post #42 of 2309
4/4/08 at 7:05am
Can we use the H264 codec in MPC? I cannot locate the codec>>>
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post #43 of 2309
4/4/08 at 7:41am
I tested once more if PDVD8 does really give out 24/96 via analog out in XP and it doesn't.

I simply took a real 24/96 LPCM track from iTrax and authered a small Blu-Ray with tsmuxer to see what PDVD says.

When playing the BD back with PDVD8 and PDVD7 it says 96kHz in the Information window, so far so good. But my soundcard clearly only shows 48kHz. When playing the file back with iTunes my soundcard says 96kHz!

This happens no matter what i set the soundcard, its getting reseted to 48 kHz.


When plaing back the small BD with TMT my soundcard is nicely set to 96 kHz!

So its a fact, that PDVD8 under XP and over analog out still downconverts the signal to 16/48 !!!
What a bunch of morons at CL!
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post #44 of 2309
4/4/08 at 8:15am
Wow, no HDDVD support? That makes it utterly useless.
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post #45 of 2309
4/4/08 at 8:16am
maybe it's the "CL".... just like Creative Labs....
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post #46 of 2309
4/4/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

They are nuts. No HD-DVD support in PDVD8. That's what you get for outsourcing your support.

From Bit-tech.net on PowerDVD8;
The latest iteration set to be launched next month is PowerDVD 8, which comes in three flavours - the Deluxe version that retails for $99 and includes Blu-ray and DVD support or the standard version that retails for $50-60 but omits the Blu-ray option. There's also an Ultra version available at a later date with full bitrate HD audio support, DTS 5.1 (why is this Ultra only?) and it's also the only version with HD DVD support.

These will replace the current DVD 7(.3) Ultra which retails for the same price as the Dexlue, although if you want HD DVD support you'll be limited to using this older version or the all encompassing and expensive PowerDVD 8 Ultra, because the Deluxe model is Blu-ray only.
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post #47 of 2309
4/4/08 at 8:56am
The readme of PDVD8 states that all HD audio is downsampled to 16/48 as long as the soundcard manufacturers cannot provide a secure audio path.

"CyberLink PowerDVD 8 is capable of high-definition audio decoding. However, due to the industries lack of common secure audio path technology, all protected audio content (eg. DVD-Audio, Blu-ray Disc) will force audio to be down-sampled to 48Khz/16bit output resolution. This constraint will be removed once an approved secure audio path is deployed for the PC ecosystem."
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post #48 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:11am
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Decoded to 8-channel LPCM over HDMI.
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post #49 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by PPGPAUL View Post

From Bit-tech.net on PowerDVD8;
The latest iteration set to be launched next month is PowerDVD 8, which comes in three flavours - the Deluxe version that retails for $99 and includes Blu-ray and DVD support or the standard version that retails for $50-60 but omits the Blu-ray option. There's also an Ultra version available at a later date with full bitrate HD audio support, DTS 5.1 (why is this Ultra only?) and it's also the only version with HD DVD support.

These will replace the current DVD 7(.3) Ultra which retails for the same price as the Dexlue, although if you want HD DVD support you'll be limited to using this older version or the all encompassing and expensive PowerDVD 8 Ultra, because the Deluxe model is Blu-ray only.

It's stateed clearly in their product comparison page and product page. I'll wait for their email though.
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post #50 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by w1seman View Post

Yes, the sound is remarkable improved with PDVD8. Heard Queen Live (only DTS-HD though) yesterday on PDVD7 and PDVD8 and PDVD8 really sounds a lot better, richer, wider. Just imagine, how it would sound with real 24/96 output!!!
Also heard Eragon with DTS-HD MA track and thats really the first time I was so much impressed by sound from PDVD that i got emotionally touched.

As a side note: I also own Arcsofts TMT with real 24/96 output and it sounds much worse than PDVD8!!!
Maybe 24/96 is not a big difference to what we can already get out of PDVD!?


How could you hear DTS-HD MA track with PDVD 8?

Is there any HDMI 1.3 compatible output device which enables DTS-HD MA passthrough on your PC? (If you have, please let me know what it is)
Or PDVD 8 decodes DTS-HD MA to multichannel LPCM tracks and send it to HDMI 1.2 compatible output?
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post #51 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

"CyberLink PowerDVD 8 is capable of high-definition audio decoding. However, due to the industries lack of common secure audio path technology, all protected audio content (eg. DVD-Audio, Blu-ray Disc) will force audio to be down-sampled to 48Khz/16bit output resolution. This constraint will be removed once an approved secure audio path is deployed for the PC ecosystem."


That's all fine and dandy except for the fact that they're downsampling all audio, protected and unprotected
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post #52 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by w1seman View Post

Yes, the sound is remarkable improved with PDVD8. Heard Queen Live (only DTS-HD though) yesterday on PDVD7 and PDVD8 and PDVD8 really sounds a lot better, richer, wider. Just imagine, how it would sound with real 24/96 output!!!
Also heard Eragon with DTS-HD MA track and thats really the first time I was so much impressed by sound from PDVD that i got emotionally touched.

As a side note: I also own Arcsofts TMT with real 24/96 output and it sounds much worse than PDVD8!!!
Maybe 24/96 is not a big difference to what we can already get out of PDVD!?

How is the PQ of PDVD 8 compare to TMT? Still deciding between the two.
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post #53 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:41am
Recently talked to Auzentech about the X-tension board:

"However, we project that the HD/Blu-ray format will be pass-thrued if the software support in the near future. ( We are discussing it with 'CyberLink' as well) We will port any update information at our website as soon as it is available."
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post #54 of 2309
4/4/08 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by w1seman View Post

Yes, the sound is remarkable improved with PDVD8. Heard Queen Live (only DTS-HD though) yesterday on PDVD7 and PDVD8 and PDVD8 really sounds a lot better, richer, wider. Just imagine, how it would sound with real 24/96 output!!!
Also heard Eragon with DTS-HD MA track and thats really the first time I was so much impressed by sound from PDVD that i got emotionally touched.

As a side note: I also own Arcsofts TMT with real 24/96 output and it sounds much worse than PDVD8!!!
Maybe 24/96 is not a big difference to what we can already get out of PDVD!?

Besides It sounds better how do we know PDVD 7 was not decoding DTS-MA? Do you experience any of the DTS MA popping sounds that some people have complained about?
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post #55 of 2309
4/4/08 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

Recently talked to Auzentech about the X-tension board:

"However, we project that the HD/Blu-ray format will be pass-thrued if the software support in the near future. ( We are discussing it with 'CyberLink' as well) We will port any update information at our website as soon as it is available."

Will the daughter card require Windows Vista or will it work with XP?
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post #56 of 2309
4/4/08 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by PPGPAUL View Post

From Bit-tech.net on PowerDVD8;
The latest iteration set to be launched next month is PowerDVD 8, which comes in three flavours – the Deluxe version that retails for $99 and includes Blu-ray and DVD support or the standard version that retails for $50-60 but omits the Blu-ray option. There's also an Ultra version available at a later date with full bitrate HD audio support, DTS 5.1 (why is this Ultra only?) and it's also the only version with HD DVD support.

These will replace the current DVD 7(.3) Ultra which retails for the same price as the Dexlue, although if you want HD DVD support you’ll be limited to using this older version or the all encompassing and expensive PowerDVD 8 Ultra, because the Deluxe model is Blu-ray only.

Deluxe does not support Blu-ray (only H264) and there´s just one "Ultra", with no HD-DVD support:

http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/produ...are_1_ENU.html
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post #57 of 2309
4/4/08 at 10:50am
My mistake. RE:E still stutters. I have no idea what happened. But the stuttering is significantly less than version 7.

PQ is definitely better than version 7.

Peter

EDIT: Re-wrote to say version 8 still stutters in RE:E. I cannot change the subject title of this reply. Sorry.
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post #58 of 2309
4/4/08 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

BD only

If it doesn't support HD DVD, it is completely useless to me (and to many others, I would imagine).
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post #59 of 2309
4/4/08 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

Besides It sounds better how do we know PDVD 7 was not decoding DTS-MA? Do you experience any of the DTS MA popping sounds that some people have complained about?

Well, I don't know for sure if PDVD7 has properly decoded DTS-HD MA or any of the other HD-Audio formats.
But I can asure u that PDVD8 clearly sounds much better than PDVD7 on DTS-HD MA. And I can tell the difference as I have a 15K Euro Audio setup for my Homecinema.

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Originally Posted by Knight_Rider View Post

How is the PQ of PDVD 8 compare to TMT? Still deciding between the two.

PDVD8 is clearly the better product when it comes to PQ. TMT fails every resolution test I fired at it with certain test HD-DVD's. Btw. I use a 8600 GTS. Only thing to complain about is the annoying aliasing bug with MPEG-2 video on PDVD8.

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Originally Posted by bone View Post

How could you hear DTS-HD MA track with PDVD 8?
Is there any HDMI 1.3 compatible output device which enables DTS-HD MA passthrough on your PC? (If you have, please let me know what it is)
Or PDVD 8 decodes DTS-HD MA to multichannel LPCM tracks and send it to HDMI 1.2 compatible output?

8 channel analog output via my M-AUdio Delta 1010 external 19" unit. So PDVD8 is doing all the DTS-HD MA decoding and passes it through as PCM to the audio device in my computer. As I have better D/A converters in my Delta 1010 than any other <3K Euro reciever on the market I wont change that way of audio routing.
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post #60 of 2309
4/4/08 at 1:46pm
LM Remote Keymap (http://www.lmgestion.net/@en-us/4/22/60/article.asp) does not appear to work with version 8 anymore. It was working with version 7. If you have version 8 and know how to make it work with LM Remote keymap, please let me know. I had the following keys mapped in my Logitech Harmony remote control (actually mapped to MCE 2005 remote control):

Subtitles
Eject
Next Audio
Top Menu

They don't work anymore with version 8.

I am now using Cyberlink remote control.

Thanks,
Peter
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