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post #391 of 2309
Same outcome from a different direction?
post #392 of 2309
I cant quite understand your sentence Vladd. Version 8 has full HD audio and HD-DVD with this addon; no need for version 7.3. Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

HD DVD + full HD audio for HDM. 7.3 has HD DVD, 8 has the full HD audio.
post #393 of 2309
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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

I cant quite understand your sentence Vladd. Version 8 has full HD audio and HD-DVD with this addon; no need for version 7.3. Am I missing something?

Yes, you are. His method of adding full HD audio support to the HD DVD playback that already exists in 7.3 negates the need to acquire files from a leaked internal beta in order to get the one true benefit that 8 brings to the table for HD DVD playback.
post #394 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Same outcome from a different direction?

Yup.

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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

I cant quite understand your sentence Vladd. Version 8 has full HD audio and HD-DVD with this addon; no need for version 7.3. Am I missing something?

What SamuriHL said.
post #395 of 2309
Can anyone with Powerdvd 8 and HDDVD hack confirm that you can downmix TrueHD in HDDVD to DD/DTS ? The beta can downmix TrueHD in Bluray but only stereo in HDDVD.
post #396 of 2309
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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

I thought the whole point with the HD-DVD "addon" was to add HD-DVD support to a machine that only has a clean copy of PowerDVD 8. Why would anyone add HD-DVD support to a PowerDVD 8 with a machine that already has PowerDVD 7.3? Thats basically like having two installs of the same program (each being a little bit different.

So you don't have to keep switching programs each time you swap discs. So you don't have to worry about starting up the right one when you want to watch a movie. So you can uninstall the old version and only have to worry about nuking 1 set of extra programs running on your system.
post #397 of 2309
Huh?? PowerDVD 8 with the DVD addon has full HD audio support and downmixing of TrueHD of HD-DVD to different formats. What is it again that you need to use PowerDVD 7.3 for with these capabilities?

Edit: Nevermind.. i got it!

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

So you don't have to keep switching programs each time you swap discs. So you don't have to worry about starting up the right one when you want to watch a movie. So you can uninstall the old version and only have to worry about nuking 1 set of extra programs running on your system.
post #398 of 2309
I think I understand.. its the ethics behind using leaked internal beta files to achieve one fully featured clean installation of just one program verses installing two programs so one app can work have have all the right features... but without leaked stuff.

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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Yes, you are. His method of adding full HD audio support to the HD DVD playback that already exists in 7.3 negates the need to acquire files from a leaked internal beta in order to get the one true benefit that 8 brings to the table for HD DVD playback.
post #399 of 2309
Hey Samuri, nice to see you here. I thought you'd been here all along, I guess I was wrong. I guess you got tired of so many people PM'ing you over there?
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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

I think I understand.. its the ethics behind using leaked internal beta files to achieve one fully featured clean installation of just one program verses installing two programs so one app can work have have all the right features... but without leaked stuff.

Yup, that's it exactly.
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

hmm for some reason when I do the first part it goes to disc mode, spins the discs, then pops back to main powerdvd8 menu, not working yet for me in 8.

the second one, for some reason I opu tin Superman II and it said it was DD 320kps instead of 640 when I used the original POwerDVD 7.3 filter.

skibum5000, copy the js32.dll from your 7.3 folder to the 8 folder and PowerDVD 8 should work then. I still have to look into the 7.3 audio issue.
post #402 of 2309
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Is there some particular feature of 8 that you want? If it's only the decoders, copy your version 8 CLDShowX.ini to your 7.3 folder then run 7.3. Same sound and video quality as 8.

If this is true then there is no real DTS HD MA full decoding as they said they added at all, just correct labeling of the stream, because that is the only change that ini alone would make.

This would make what we get with PowerDVD 8 is just a placebo affect and make PowerDVD 8 one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the HTPC market.
post #403 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Hey Samuri, nice to see you here. I thought you'd been here all along, I guess I was wrong. I guess you got tired of so many people PM'ing you over there?

I've been here for quite a while. I just don't post a lot. I come here to learn mostly.
post #404 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Socio View Post

If this is true then there is no real DTS HD MA full decoding as they said they added at all, just correct labeling of the stream, because that is the only change that ini alone would make.

This would make what we get with PowerDVD 8 is just a placebo affect and make PowerDVD 8 one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the HTPC market.

I think you misunderstand. The ini file points to the registered decoders from the 8 install. By forcing 7.3 to point to those same decoders, you can get the higher quality sound decoding.
post #405 of 2309
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

I think you misunderstand. The ini file points to the registered decoders from the 8 install. By forcing 7.3 to point to those same decoders, you can get the higher quality sound decoding.

Ah, I was thinking the ini would be pointing to the 7.3 decoders in 7.3's nav,audio, and video filter folders and getting the same result as the version 8 with just correct stream labeling which would have made 7.3 decoders and the version 8 decoders decoders essentially identical.

Thanks for the clarification.
post #406 of 2309
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Originally Posted by peterho3 View Post

Can anyone with Powerdvd 8 and HDDVD hack confirm that you can downmix TrueHD in HDDVD to DD/DTS ?

No, it doesn't look like you can. The AC3/DTS Mixing options only appear for Bluray. When I play HDDVD with TrueHD, the only option is primary audio.
post #407 of 2309
I finally got the powerdvd8 hd dvd working, and I would like to know how to set hd-dvds to auto load powerdvd8. (there is no option for it - only pdvd7) The pdvd8 shows up for blu-ray and everything else. I'm using daemon and mymovies to load hd-dvds and want 8 to load instead of 7.

Hope this hasn't been already asked. I've been trying to catch up in the slysoft forum, g35 thread, and this one as well.

Thanks.
post #408 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Myshkin View Post

I finally got the powerdvd8 hd dvd working, and I would like to know how to set hd-dvds to auto load powerdvd8. (there is no option for it - only pdvd7) The pdvd8 shows up for blu-ray and everything else. I'm using daemon and mymovies to load hd-dvds and want 8 to load instead of 7.

Hope this hasn't been already asked. I've been trying to catch up in the slysoft forum, g35 thread, and this one as well.

Thanks.

I did not do anything except the HD DVD fix and PowerDVD 8 autoloads and starts playing HD DVD's when I put a disc in, not sure why it is not doing the same for you.
post #409 of 2309
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Originally Posted by sigma957 View Post

No, it doesn't look like you can. The AC3/DTS Mixing options only appear for Bluray. When I play HDDVD with TrueHD, the only option is primary audio.

Perhaps it is forcible via the registry.
post #410 of 2309
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

skibum5000, copy the js32.dll from your 7.3 folder to the 8 folder and PowerDVD 8 should work then. I still have to look into the 7.3 audio issue.

Thanks, that works.

However, for ALL DD+ titles it is reporting very wrong bitrates (is it only using core? maybe they cheaped out and didn't license DD+ either, not sure if nay bluray titles have DD+ on them?).

Anyway it either does not decode DD+ and just plays the core or it simply misreports the bitrate. Once or twice it also said something was DD when 7 said it was DD+.

TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA, LCPM all seem to report normally on whatever format disc I have for those and DTS-HD MA and TrueHD certainly appear to sound very good.

It is possible that only 7.3 allows DD+. Didn't try to listen carefully. Anyway it seems to be reporting weird rates whatever the case for DD+ stuff (which is what most, if certainly not all, HD DVD are).

But the video works now with the dll copied over and the high def uncrompressed formats for sure.
post #411 of 2309
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

Thanks, that works.

However, for ALL DD+ titles it is reporting very wrong bitrates (is it only using core? maybe they cheaped out and didn't license DD+ either, not sure if nay bluray titles have DD+ on them?).

Anyway it either does not decode DD+ and just plays the core or it simply misreports the bitrate. Once or twice it also said something was DD when 7 said it was DD+.

TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA, LCPM all seem to report normally on whatever format disc I have for those and DTS-HD MA and TrueHD certainly appear to sound very good.

It is possible that only 7.3 allows DD+. Didn't try to listen carefully. Anyway it seems to be reporting weird rates whatever the case for DD+ stuff (which is what most, if certainly not all, HD DVD are).

But the video works now with the dll copied over and the high def uncrompressed formats for sure.

I'll test this tonight and let you know what I find. Are you using analog out or SPDIF/HDMI?
post #412 of 2309
Cyberlink is one of the very worst software companies I've ever had the displeasure to buy software from. I can only ask myself what the hell they think they are doing releasing a new full version when the last one was still in beta? Well, it should have been in "beta" because the damn thing is still a mess. I've had all kinds of problems with it I'll not rehash here...

Sloppy code, horrible support, handicapped functionality, crippled audio and false promises are all included with your purchase.... no way in hell I'll be sending them more of my money to support their unethical business practices.

I'd rather wait for a better product to be released from another company than be scammed into buying more crap from CL!
post #413 of 2309
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

I'll test this tonight and let you know what I find. Are you using analog out or SPDIF/HDMI?

analog out
post #414 of 2309
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Originally Posted by mnn1265 View Post

Cyberlink is one of the very worst software companies I've ever had the displeasure to buy software from. I can only ask myself what the hell they think they are doing releasing a new full version when the last one was still in beta? Well, it should have been in "beta" because the damn thing is still a mess. I've had all kinds of problems with it I'll not rehash here...

Any company that released that mess as a beta should be out of business. I've seen more solid alpha code.
post #415 of 2309
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Originally Posted by mnn1265 View Post

Cyberlink is one of the very worst software companies I've ever had the displeasure to buy software from. I can only ask myself what the hell they think they are doing releasing a new full version when the last one was still in beta? Well, it should have been in "beta" because the damn thing is still a mess. I've had all kinds of problems with it I'll not rehash here...

Sloppy code, horrible support, handicapped functionality, crippled audio and false promises are all included with your purchase.... no way in hell I'll be sending them more of my money to support their unethical business practices.

I'd rather wait for a better product to be released from another company than be scammed into buying more crap from CL!

I wish there was. It's been like two years and still nothing truly solid from the competition! In that sense, perhaps Cyberlink gets some credit though, it has always worked better than the other options and does largely work now (downsampling 'bug' a bit annoying and it has had it's issues and one of their installers actually permantely damaged the OS a while back and forced people to reformat and install everything! so yeah they have been shabby at times with coding too), but their business practices do annoy me.
post #416 of 2309
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Originally Posted by arfster View Post

Any company that released that mess as a beta should be out of business. I've seen more solid alpha code.

Seriously guys, you're blowing this way out of proportion 'seen more solid alpha code'? Come on. The software has _some_ issues for _some_ people on a strictly 'bugs' level, but what software doesn't. Its really the features and what people expect from a company that frankly got a little absurd. This software works _very_ well for me and a lot of other people and meets reasonable expectations considering they're THE ONLY COMPANY that makes any software that covers all the bases it does.
post #417 of 2309
I agree.
You guys, lets speak frankly;
our expectations??? What do we expect?
Remember Toshiba burried HD-DVD by himself
and
still no any other decoder gives PV2 (or AVIVO2) HA support except Cyberlink.
If you know any other, PLS tell me.
post #418 of 2309
There are also no other decoders which can decode DTS-HD Master Audio on PC. Anywhere. For any operating system. Even if you pay thousands of dollars for the official DTS-HDMA encoder software from Digital Theater Systems, what you end up with is just an encoder, even that has no decoder included.
post #419 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Sizam View Post

Seriously guys, you're blowing this way out of proportion 'seen more solid alpha code'? Come on. The software has _some_ issues for _some_ people on a strictly 'bugs' level, but what software doesn't. Its really the features and what people expect from a company that frankly got a little absurd. This software works _very_ well for me and a lot of other people and meets reasonable expectations considering they're THE ONLY COMPANY that makes any software that covers all the bases it does.


I agree with most of that, except the very end. ArcSoft TMT is right up there, and you could say the same thing about them.
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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

There are also no other decoders which can decode DTS-HD Master Audio on PC. Anywhere. For any operating system. Even if you pay thousands of dollars for the official DTS-HDMA encoder software from Digital Theater Systems, what you end up with is just an encoder, even that has no decoder included.

True but we had to shell out $50 upgrade or $99 full and give up HD DVD to basically get just that.

Granted I am a happy camper with my HD DVD restored version of PowerDVD 8 and DTS-HD Master Audio for my DTS HD MA compatible HD DVD Imports. However for all intents and purposes PDVD8 is really only a patched version of PowerDVD 7.3 with a new skin.

I suspect though that Cyberlink probably had to fork out some big $$$ to get the DTS HD MA decoding license and we are paying a premium for it by having to buy PDVD8 to get it so they can recoup the cost.
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