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post #1471 of 5196
I don't know if this is useful to anyone but I've worked out a way to remux the HD PVR's TS files into MP4 without re-encoding (simple remux):

1) Use tsMuxeR (http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html) to demux the audio and video into elementary streams.

2) Use Yamb (http://yamb.unite-video.com/) to mux the streams into an MP4 container. You have to specify the frame rate of the video by selecting the h264 stream, and pressing Properties.

Unfortunately Yamb (more likely MP4Box, which it uses) has a problem whenever the video goes over 2 GB. The video past the 2 GB mark doesn't play (audio keeps going though).

You can also use tsMuxeR to remux the TS files into M2TS. And there is a "Create Blu-ray disc" option that I haven't tried.

Some programs/devices can handle these containers a little better.
post #1472 of 5196
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Originally Posted by the_tom View Post

Have you been clicking Cutting Room? Bad! Bad!

Nope. Nope.

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Originally Posted by the_tom View Post

I saw that problem when I was still getting a grip on TMS, and would sometimes click the Cutting Room button. It always ~doubled its displayed size on returning from the cutting room view. I took that for a simple stupid bug related to the display of the size and nothing to do with the actual output size. And as I recall when I went ahead and let it re-encode that proved to be true, the actual output size was not double the input, it was just a couple hundred MBs bigger as seems usual for TMS.

Hm... I'll give that a shot. With all of the smaller files that I add in (to avoid commercials), I ended up going 600Mb over the 8.5Gb limit. But I'll try it anyway, as there's only one way to find out.

Thanks for the help though. I appreciate it.
post #1473 of 5196
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Originally Posted by Star56 View Post

Nope. Just the raw .Ts file burned to DVD. Never could get it to work on my PS3.

From what I understand, audio must be AC3 to play correctly on the PS3. Also I think the H264 file must be profile level 4.1. Which profile does the HD PVR produce?
post #1474 of 5196
been tracking this thread since day 1, but is it confirmed that Hauppuage has made revisions to the HD-PVR? and do they truly perform better than the "1st gen" ones? Just wondering if its safe to pull the trigger on one now...
post #1475 of 5196
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Originally Posted by ScottTX View Post

From what I understand, audio must be AC3 to play correctly on the PS3. Also I think the H264 file must be profile level 4.1. Which profile does the HD PVR produce?

Has anyone tried demuxing the audio and video, reencoding the audio to AC3, then muxing the video and AC3 together? The demuxing and muxing can be done with tsMuxer.
post #1476 of 5196
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Originally Posted by the_tom View Post

Since you used VideoRedo, I guess you must be saying you transcoded the output from the HDPVR, to MPEG2; please tell, how long did that take, for how big a file, on what kind of machine?
thanks,
-tom-

As I said, I chose the new BDAV template within TX4, went with the default settings. It added an MPG extension, and the 1920 x 1080 file opened easily in VideoRedo, so it must have been an MPG2 transport stream. It was a 2 hour file, and took about 4-5 hours to transcode on a Dell C2D Dimension 9200.

It's more processing than I would normally want to do for HD-PVR recordings, and most of my recordings will be movies or series from the premium channels with no commercials, so won't require it. But on the rare occasion that I want to save something that requires editing, it's nice to know it can be done, and done well enough to make it worthwhile.
post #1477 of 5196
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Originally Posted by ProAm500 View Post

been tracking this thread since day 1, but is it confirmed that Hauppuage has made revisions to the HD-PVR? and do they truly perform better than the "1st gen" ones? Just wondering if its safe to pull the trigger on one now...

I would say yes, provided that you understand what this unit does. As long as you'll find use of its ability to output a h264 TS file to your PC, I'd say go for it. I have found that the following to be true:

- Captures HD/SD feeds from a component output (cable/sat box, blu-ray, etc.)
- Allows you to burn these TS files to a DVD (dependent on file size) that *can* be viewed on a recent SD DVD player (woo-hoo!). Will definitely play on a PS3.
- You should be able to burn the TS files to a Blu-Ray burner as well. I don't have one so I can only assume that it works.
- Members are able to stream these TS files via a media server to a PS3. I assume you could do the same with a XBox 360.
- It is NOT a real PVR/DVR. It is only capable of passing through signals to wherever they're intended to go.
- Digital Optical (SPDIF) 2.0 channel audio works with the C2 revision (recent). The company promises 5.1 audio later via an upgrade.
- FYI -> There are no real usable (e.g. "easy") software applications that will allow you to cut/edit these TS files without losing hair in the process. The provided software is decent, but there are a number of issues which I'm sure you've already read about.

If you're read this thread from the beginning (or at least from when people started to receive their units), then you must have an idea of what the HD-PVR can and cannot do.

I'm happy with my purchase, but there's a learning curve involved. Without this AVS thread, I would have lost my mind however. The people here are excellent and I can't thank them enough.
post #1478 of 5196
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Originally Posted by mindbender9 View Post

I would say yes, provided that you understand what this unit does. As long as you'll find use of its ability to output a h264 TS file to your PC, I'd say go for it. I have found that the following to be true:

- Captures HD/SD feeds from a component output (cable/sat box, blu-ray, etc.)
- Allows you to burn these TS files to a DVD (dependent on file size) that *can* be viewed on a recent SD DVD player (woo-hoo!). Will definitely play on a PS3.
- You should be able to burn the TS files to a Blu-Ray burner as well. I don't have one so I can only assume that it works.
- Members are able to stream these TS files via a media server to a PS3. I assume you could do the same with a XBox 360.
- It is NOT a real PVR/DVR. It is only capable of passing through signals to wherever they're intended to go.
- Digital Optical (SPDIF) 2.0 channel audio works with the C2 revision (recent). The company promises 5.1 audio later via an upgrade.
- FYI -> There are no real usable (e.g. "easy") software applications that will allow you to cut/edit these TS files without losing hair in the process. The provided software is decent, but there are a number of issues which I'm sure you've already read about.

If you're read this thread from the beginning (or at least from when people started to receive their units), then you must have an idea of what the HD-PVR can and cannot do.

I'm happy with my purchase, but there's a learning curve involved. Without this AVS thread, I would have lost my mind however. The people here are excellent and I can't thank them enough.

Yeah pretty familiar on the capabilites and etc of this device. I plan on using it with Sage until (or if) VMC supports it. Was just wondering if the new revs. are an indeed an improvement ie. freezing from the first units they were sending out...
post #1479 of 5196
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Originally Posted by ProAm500 View Post

Yeah pretty familiar on the capabilites and etc of this device. I plan on using it with Sage until (or if) VMC supports it. Was just wondering if the new revs. are an indeed an improvement ie. freezing from the first units they were sending out...

My revision C2 unit hasn't frozen or overheated yet.

I'm liking it.
post #1480 of 5196
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Originally Posted by ProAm500 View Post

Just wondering if its safe to pull the trigger on one now...

I just received mine this week (never had a 1st gen unit). So far, it works great. The only problem I have is with the software "capture" module -- it works fine the first time I use it, but if it hit "STOP" and then "CAPTURE" again, it hangs up. Gotta CTRL-ALT-DEL the capture module and relaunch. This is on a Core 2 Quad machine -- interestingly, tried it on my older P4 machine, and it doesn't have that problem. Might be a video card thing ...
post #1481 of 5196
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Originally Posted by mindbender9 View Post

- FYI -> There are no real usable (e.g. "easy") software applications that will allow you to cut/edit these TS files without losing hair in the process. The provided software is decent, but there are a number of issues which I'm sure you've already read about.

I just tried "Transport Stream Packet Editor" on one of the sample files that was posted a while back in this thread. I was able to set cut points with it and get clips out of the sample video. (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/TS_Packet_Editor)

Since it was fairly easy to pull out clips, I'm very tempted to order one of these HD-PVR myself; but, I'm hesitant after having just gone through so much of this thread and reading about the problems people had with it, especially since they were reported so recently...
post #1482 of 5196
Has anyone ordered one of these HD-PVRs from Hauppage lately? I'm curious how long it's taking for them to ship after the order is placed.
post #1483 of 5196
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Originally Posted by wokwokabc View Post

Has anyone tried demuxing the audio and video, reencoding the audio to AC3, then muxing the video and AC3 together? The demuxing and muxing can be done with tsMuxer.

I don't own the HD PVR, but am interested in the device. I downloaded one of the samples and this is what I have found. The video is profile 4.0 and the audio is AAC. I'm going to demux the file, convert the AAC to AC3, change the profile to 4.1 and see if it will play on the PS3.
post #1484 of 5196
I ordered couple days ago; 2nd wk july was their eta.
post #1485 of 5196
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Originally Posted by ScottTX View Post

From what I understand, audio must be AC3 to play correctly on the PS3. Also I think the H264 file must be profile level 4.1. Which profile does the HD PVR produce?

From my output at 720p, it is Main Level 4.0



*** MediaInfo Mac // Plain text file report
2008-06-28 15:51:10 -0700
Information for File: Lindsey.TS

General / Container Stream # 1
Total Video Streams for this File -> 1
Total Audio Streams for this File -> 1
Video Codecs Used -> AVC
Audio Codecs Used -> AAC
File Format -> MPEG-4 Transport
Total File Size -> 470 MiB
Video Stream # 1
Codec -> AVC
Codec (Human Name) -> Advanced Video Codec
Codec Profile -> Main@L4.0
Frame Width -> 1280 pixels
Frame Height -> 720 pixels
Frame Rate -> 59.940 fps
Display Aspect Ratio -> 16/9
Interlacement -> Progressive
Codec Settings (Summary) -> CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Codec Settings (CABAC) -> Yes
Audio Stream # 1
Codec -> AAC
Audio Stream Delay -> 387ms
post #1486 of 5196
I continue to be flummoxed by my inability to play back recorded clips smoothly. It's driving me crazy trying to figure out if it's my system or the PVR recordings themselves. On one hand, the glitches happen in different places which leads me to believe its a playback only problem, on the other the short clips posted by MichaelLAX play back perfectly which makes me think its hardware related.

On those other clips I can use either TotalMedia Extreme or CoreAVC with great results, on clips recorded my system either results in slighty jerky, glitchy playback.

Anyone else having this problem? My system is a Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz with 8800gtx videocard. I haven't bitten the bullet and picked up a better card for HD acceleration yet, but that may be soon so I can rule out the possibility that my system somehow lacks adequate power.

Thanks,
-Chris C.
post #1487 of 5196
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Originally Posted by openaddy View Post

I just tried "Transport Stream Packet Editor" on one of the sample files that was posted a while back in this thread. I was able to set cut points with it and get clips out of the sample video. (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/TS_Packet_Editor)

Since it was fairly easy to pull out clips...

That's what I thought when I only had short (less than 1 minute) clips to test with. But now that I have the HD PVR and longer clips (more than an hour) I see that TSPE doesn't cut at the right times as the files get longer. Near the end of a one hour clip it is off by a few minutes. Hopefully it will get fixed in the near future.
post #1488 of 5196
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Originally Posted by chriscic View Post

On those other clips I can use either TotalMedia Extreme or CoreAVC with great results, on clips recorded my system either results in slighty jerky, glitchy playback.

Why don't you post one of your clips and others can tell you how smoothly they play on their systems.
post #1489 of 5196
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Originally Posted by chriscic View Post

I continue to be flummoxed by my inability to play back recorded clips smoothly. It's driving me crazy trying to figure out if it's my system or the PVR recordings themselves. On one hand, the glitches happen in different places which leads me to believe its a playback only problem, on the other the short clips sent to me by another user play back perfectly which makes me think its hardware related.

On those other clips I can use either TotalMedia Extreme or CoreAVC with great results, on clips recorded my system either results in slighty jerky, glitchy playback.

Anyone else having this problem? My system is a Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz with 8800gtx videocard. I haven't bitten the bullet and picked up a better card for HD acceleration yet, but that may be soon so I can rule out the possibility that my system somehow lacks adequate power.

The Media Player Classic with the free CoreAVC codec works for me (with the occasional crash or two). But the saved files run smooth. I am unable to play the files in VLC and PowerDVD is unable to play 50% of the TS files (but runs the other 50% smoothly).

My system is a Core Duo 3.0gHz setup with an Nvidia 7950GT. Your hardware setup is more than fine but if you'd like to trade, let me know.

EDIT: What settings are you using on your HD-PVR? Are the stuttering clips 1080i? I've heard the original release of the HD-PVR had some problems with those clips but it was probably an encoding issue.
post #1490 of 5196
Looks like most of the recent discussion in this thread is about conversion stuff, but I'm hoping someone can take a quick breather to help me figure out why I can't get any audio from the various HD-PVR clips I've found on the net.

I should start by saying I don't actually have an HD-PVR yet, but I'm trying to figure out if my system is up to the task of playing the files back if I get one. I've downloaded a few sample clips from the internets, and originally tried to play them using Sage, which gave me an error about audio rendering.

I installed the CoreAVC video codec, and downloaded and installed the trial version of ArcSoft Total Media Extreme as well.

The video from the clip will play in ArcSoft's video player. However, I have no audio. If I try to open the clip in GraphEdit it does open (it wouldn't before I installed ArcSoft), but gives me the error message: "Some of the streams in this movie are in an unsupported format." When I click OK on that, it shows me that the ArcSoft MPEG Demux is being used, and shows me that CoreAVC Video Decoder is handling the video, but doesn't have anything connected to the audio output of the demux. I can use the AcrSoft Video Decoder instead of CoreAVC (or ffmpeg for that matter), but it doesn't make a difference.

I tried inserting the ArcSoft Audio Decoder in Graphedit and connecting it to the audio output of the demux, but it gives me the error "The filters cannot agree on a connection. Verify type compatibility of input pin and output pin. No combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection. (Return code: 0x80040217)."

I'm totally buggered here. All other audio plays fine on my system besides the audio from these HD-PVR files. Does anyone have any suggestions at all?

(On a separate note, I've seen reports of people playing back the files smoothly on as little as a 3200+ single core cpu, combined with an 8500gt video card. I'm using the 8500gt with a 3500+ cpu and get really bad stuttering and 100% cpu usage. I thought the 8500 was supposed to handle the h.264 chore through hardware acceleration? Am I definitely going to need to update the cpu, or should I be trying to figure out how to get my video card to handle the load better than it currently is?)

Thanks for any helpful suggestions you can give!
post #1491 of 5196
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

From my output at 720p, it is Main Level 4.0



*** MediaInfo Mac // Plain text file report
2008-06-28 15:51:10 -0700
Information for File: Lindsey.TS

General / Container Stream # 1
Total Video Streams for this File -> 1
Total Audio Streams for this File -> 1
Video Codecs Used -> AVC
Audio Codecs Used -> AAC
File Format -> MPEG-4 Transport
Total File Size -> 470 MiB
Video Stream # 1
Codec -> AVC
Codec (Human Name) -> Advanced Video Codec
Codec Profile -> Main@L4.0
Frame Width -> 1280 pixels
Frame Height -> 720 pixels
Frame Rate -> 59.940 fps
Display Aspect Ratio -> 16/9
Interlacement -> Progressive
Codec Settings (Summary) -> CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Codec Settings (CABAC) -> Yes
Audio Stream # 1
Codec -> AAC
Audio Stream Delay -> 387ms

Ok - I downloaded "gta4-1080i.ts" from this forum. Using H264info I found that the video is profile 4.0 and the audio is AAC.
I used TSmuxeR to demux the stream.
I used meGUI to transcode the AAC to AC3.
I used TSmuxeR to remux the video stream and the new AC3 audio stream. In TSmuxeR under "General track options" I selected the change level and made it 4.1.
I then started muxing into a m2ts container.

Then I copied the original ts file and the new m2ts file to a USB flash drive and inserted it into the PS3. The PS3 wouldn't even reveal the original ts file but played the newly created m2ts file perfectly.

This took all of a minute as NO encoding was necessary.
post #1492 of 5196
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Originally Posted by wokwokabc View Post

That's what I thought when I only had short (less than 1 minute) clips to test with. But now that I have the HD PVR and longer clips (more than an hour) I see that TSPE doesn't cut at the right times as the files get longer. Near the end of a one hour clip it is off by a few minutes. Hopefully it will get fixed in the near future.

Aww. I only save short clips for the most part, though, so that might still work for me.

Since you've recorded longer clips, can I ask if there's any problem with jumping to different points in the video (e.g. video/audio out of sync)?

Any other hardware problem with the HD-PVR that would cause you to hesitate to recommend someone getting it? Thanks!
post #1493 of 5196
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Originally Posted by popechild View Post

(On a separate note, I've seen reports of people playing back the files smoothly on as little as a 3200+ single core cpu, combined with an 8500gt video card. I'm using the 8500gt with a 3500+ cpu and get really bad stuttering and 100% cpu usage. I thought the 8500 was supposed to handle the h.264 chore through hardware acceleration? Am I definitely going to need to update the cpu, or should I be trying to figure out how to get my video card to handle the load better than it currently is?)

The 8500 GT and A64 3500+ should be sufficient if you are using a player that supports hardware h.264 decoding. (ArcSoft's player and capture app). Although I find ArcSoft's player isn't the smoothest. I don't think it buffers enough.

You won't get smooth playback with a A64 3500+ and a software decoder like CoreAVC. You will need the multithreaded version (CoreAVC Pro) and a multicore CPU.

Regarding your missing audio, you probably just need a AAC decoder. Try ffdshow.
post #1494 of 5196
VLC pukes whenever you try to make a jump.

WMP with coreavc pro installed works absolutely flawlessly.

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Originally Posted by openaddy View Post

Aww. I only save short clips for the most part, though, so that might still work for me.

Since you've recorded longer clips, can I ask if there's any problem with jumping to different points in the video (e.g. video/audio out of sync)?

Any other hardware problem with the HD-PVR that would cause you to hesitate to recommend someone getting it? Thanks!
post #1495 of 5196
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Originally Posted by openaddy View Post

Aww. I only save short clips for the most part, though, so that might still work for me.

2 minutes off in a 60 minute clip means you will be off by about 20 seconds in a 10 minute clip. That's still pretty severe. If you only work with 15 second clips you might be OK!

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Originally Posted by openaddy View Post

Since you've recorded longer clips, can I ask if there's any problem with jumping to different points in the video (e.g. video/audio out of sync)?

I haven't had any A/V sync problems with ArcSoft's player (although it's not perfectly smooth all the time) or with Haali Media Splitter + CoreAVC Pro + Media Player Classic. (Note that CoreAVC Pro installs a version of Haali).

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Originally Posted by openaddy View Post

Any other hardware problem with the HD-PVR that would cause you to hesitate to recommend someone getting it? Thanks!

My Scientific Atlanta 8240 cable box won't output through HDMI and component at the same time. So I have to unplug the HDMI cable to record with the HD PVR. That's not Hauppauge's fault, obviously.

The lack of tools for working with the TS files is my only real issue at this time. Hopefully that will clear up soon. Maybe if I use tsMuxeR to remux into m2ts I can find an m2ts editor that will work... After remuxing to m2ts TSPE is a little closer but still not right.
post #1496 of 5196
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Originally Posted by kimifelipe View Post

VLC pukes whenever you try to make a jump.

Same here.

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Originally Posted by kimifelipe View Post

WMP with coreavc pro installed works absolutely flawlessly.

On my system it plays like a slideshow (~2 frame per second) once I move the seek bar. I think it's only showing key frames.
post #1497 of 5196
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Originally Posted by chriscic View Post

I continue to be flummoxed by my inability to play back recorded clips smoothly. It's driving me crazy trying to figure out if it's my system or the PVR recordings themselves. On one hand, the glitches happen in different places which leads me to believe its a playback only problem, on the other the short clips posted by MichaelLAX play back perfectly which makes me think its hardware related.

On those other clips I can use either TotalMedia Extreme or CoreAVC with great results, on clips recorded my system either results in slighty jerky, glitchy playback.

Anyone else having this problem? My system is a Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz with 8800gtx videocard. I haven't bitten the bullet and picked up a better card for HD acceleration yet, but that may be soon so I can rule out the possibility that my system somehow lacks adequate power.

Thanks,
-Chris C.

I have jittery playback onmy HTPC where the recording takes place (E4600@ 2.8Ghz; 2GB RAM; Vista 32bit; ATI 8650), but on my office PC with an 8800GTX and QX6700 it plays fine. Once converted to a blu ray ISO it plays fine on both systems...I'm at a loss on this one.
post #1498 of 5196
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Originally Posted by mindbender9 View Post


EDIT: What settings are you using on your HD-PVR? Are the stuttering clips 1080i? I've heard the original release of the HD-PVR had some problems with those clips but it was probably an encoding issue.

I'm using the highest settings, constant bitrate.

Yes, it's 1080i. I've been obsessing with CNN HD, as it usually has streaming text along the bottom which makes it easy to spot the glitches.

Where did you hear that the original release of the HD-PVR had encoding issues? I had one of the first one's and am not really sure if they hardware modified that one or sent me a new one.

Anyway, I posted a short CNNHD recording. Strangely, when played back with TotalMedia Extreme (the only app I can get it to play in decently) it plays back smoothly the first play through, but then if you let it keep going and replay it's glitchy from there on out.

SageTV playback is hopeless (way worse) even though it seems to be using the Arsoft decoders (its in the config file).

If anyone wants to try this recording and let it run through a couple of times, I'd appreciate it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/12575784...10_0_1.TS.html

Thanks,
-Chris
post #1499 of 5196
Popechild: I'm decoding at 5% cpu with an 8500GT card (pci-e) with the latest XP drivers from their website (not the ones that came with the card). CPU is a single core (I think) AMD Athlon64 at 2.2ghz.

Sounds like overlay mode isn't using your hardware decoding. Check the arcsoft program settings.

Audio is AAC. Made sure you have a AAC decoder The arcsoft program distributed with the HD-DVR is a custom build. Audio support may not be included with the standard version. FWIW, I can't get audio with zoomplayer either.
post #1500 of 5196
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Originally Posted by wokwokabc View Post

The 8500 GT and A64 3500+ should be sufficient if you are using a player that supports hardware h.264 decoding. (ArcSoft's player and capture app). Although I find ArcSoft's player isn't the smoothest. I don't think it buffers enough.

You won't get smooth playback with a A64 3500+ and a software decoder like CoreAVC. You will need the multithreaded version (CoreAVC Pro) and a multicore CPU.

I'm getting the same stuttering when playing in the ArcSoft player that I am when using CoreAVC through Graphedit. I haven't actually touched the drivers for my 8500gt in months - maybe I need to upgrade those? Did they add additional HD acceleration at some point?
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Regarding your missing audio, you probably just need a AAC decoder. Try ffdshow.

I wasn't able to get ffdshow to work either. I did finally figure out something with the audio, though I'm not smart enough with this stuff to know exactly why it worked. I installed the Haali splitter. After installing that, when I opened the file in graphedit again, it wasn't using the "Acrsoft MPEG Demux" anymore - it just had the audio and video decoders connected directly to the .ts file. And the audio works now! Interestingly, I can use the CoreACC audio decoder (which didn't work before I installed Haali) or the ffdshow audio decoder by themselves. If I try to replace them with the Arcsoft Audio Decoder, it automatically adds in CoreACC also. If anybody wants to help me understand what's going on there, it'd be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Davenlr View Post

Popechild: I'm decoding at 5% cpu with an 8500GT card (pci-e) with the latest XP drivers from their website (not the ones that came with the card). CPU is a single core (I think) AMD Athlon64 at 2.2ghz.

Sounds like overlay mode isn't using your hardware decoding. Check the arcsoft program settings.

Okay, so obviously it's possible, and it does sound like I'm just not getting any hardware decoding like you said. When you say "the latest XP drivers" are you referring to the latest nvidia 8500gt drivers? (I see "175.16" on the nvidia website looking right now. I think I'm still using something in the 163-165 range...) Maybe that's where my problem is?

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Audio is AAC. Made sure you have a AAC decoder The arcsoft program distributed with the HD-DVR is a custom build. Audio support may not be included with the standard version. FWIW, I can't get audio with zoomplayer either.

Interesting about the custom build. Maybe that was the issue. Any thoughts on the logic behind the Haali splitter causing it to start letting me use the CoreACC audio decoder, when it wouldn't let me before?

Thanks for the help guys...
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