Originally Posted by cybrsage
I think your anti-microsoft sentiments are getting in the way of your reading comprehension.
I have no anti-microsoft sentiments (well maybe not "none"
). MCE is a great app/system/program, I've got an Xbox 360 and love it. I'd use VMC if it met my needs but it doesn't. My stance on MCE/VMC is that MS made compromises that make their product not meet my needs/wants/desires (no DVD playback on extenders, limited format support, DRM, no PC client, limited tuners, etc). They're perfectly valid choices for MS to have made, and I can completely understand and respect them for making them (if you look, you'll see I've defended MS for their inclusion for various forms of DRM).
For the record I think MCE was great for the HTPC scene if for no other reason than they created a "standard" for hardware/driver interfaces that has allowed a whole ecosystem of apps to appear.
thing I have a problem with from your comments is your assertion that the HD PVR is failed/will fail because it doesn't work with MCE/VMC today (or at launch). Almost every post in this thread by you has been highly negative on the HD PVR, "another failed product" etc. It's the first product of it's kind, it does exactly what hundreds of posts here have been asking for for years
. This thing is a godsend for the HTPC community "freeing" HD content to be recorded without expensive or highly limited solutions.
Why do I want it to work with MS? Easy, re-read post 222 and 223 and you will have your answer.
Frankly I think it would be great if it worked with MCE/VMC, I hope MS updates MCE/VMC to support it. I don't think it needs
to be supported my MCE/VMC to be successful.
But since reading comprehension is not your forte, I will restate it for you:
The reason I want VMC support is so that it is wildly successful. This will cause competition to emerge, better products to be created, and prices to drop.
Sounds great, but that doesn't mean it's failed already.
You might like high priced, niche products with no competition or improvements. I do not.
Where do you get that idea? Because I don't think this thing is failed without MCE/VMC support?
For starters, it's NOT high priced, in fact, it's exactly
the same price as the first hardware-encoding SD tuner card to be made available to consumers, the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR PCI
, was when it came out 7 years ago. It's about 30-50% less than the Blackmagic Intesity Pro, but adds hardware encoding and dramatically
better application support. It's about 1/3 the price of an R5000 modded sat box, again with better app support and service provider support. And it's way more compatible than OCUR is, about the same price but without the need for a "certified" PC, and without the DRM restrictions.
No it's not as cheap as the current SD hardware encoders, but why would anyone expect the first HD encoder to be so.
There are a lot of parallels between the HD PVR and the WinTV-PVR PCI:
Made my Hauppauge
First device of their kind (hardware encoding PVR device, SD/HD respectively)
"limited" application support initially
The WinTV-PVR PCI certainly didn't sell the kind of numbers that say the PVR 250 did, but it was definitely a successful product. The PVR PCI came out before there was a Media Center Edition, it only worked with it's own app initially. Yet it basically layed the groundwork for MCE (hardware encoding tuners) and in many ways the whole HTPC environment that we know today. Yet by the criteria you've layed out in this thread, the WinTV-PVR PCI was failed before it shipped.
The situation with the HD PVR is far better
than for the PVR PCI. It will have wide application support (Arcsoft, SageTV, BeyondTV, GB-PVR, and probably more I'm forgetting), the target market, even without MCE/VMC is far larger today than it was seven years ago when the PVR PCI came out.
I suppose that is the the major difference between our views.
The major difference in our views is that I don't consider a product "failed" just because it's not supported by the market leader, that I think the HD PVR is a huge step forward and will be a success regardless of MCE/VMC support, and I suppose that I expect
that the HD PVR will do everything you hope