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post #2821 of 5194
10/9/08 at 1:06pm
Thanks... thought that was just a running timer but I see where you can enter the time now.

Ok, and now for my other dilemma with distorted sound when viewing high def content... sure looks like it's an issue with my Moto fios box, but not like it's defective.. just some compatiblity issues with the Haup HD PVR. I tried SAGE TV to record live tv and it has same issue as through Arcsoft TME. Std TV with optical is fine, as soon as I switch to high def content it distorts. I swapped input devices to my XBOX 360 with optical audio and it's fine.

I've tried changing audio defaults on my fios box from Mono to Stereo to Surround, but nothing effects it. I'm at a loss and am going to update my ticket with Haup tech support.

Will report back later...
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post #2822 of 5194
10/9/08 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

Yeah, there is really a lot missing, why not buffer ability during a recording, allow the TME to view the file as it's being recorded, it's already been shown using arogan's record program that hardly any resources are being used to record and if they would hook the ArcSoft decoders into live viewing of the file, we could watch with hardly any load on the machine at all, especially if your video card supports h264 acceleration.

I posted in the Linux forum about a couple of different ways to view "live" tv. Both mplayer and vlc can play the stream right from /dev/video0, and ffmpeg has no problems muxing it into an .mkv container on the fly.
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post #2823 of 5194
10/9/08 at 2:44pm
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I posted in the Linux forum about a couple of different ways to view "live" tv. Both mplayer and vlc can play the stream right from /dev/video0, and ffmpeg has no problems muxing it into an .mkv container on the fly.

I've tried vlc, but I guess I just don't have the horsepower to process 1080i, which probably 95% or more of the stuff I watch or record turns out to be. I haven't tried mplayer, does it use it's own built in decoders? If I could utilize the ArcSoft or PowerDVD acceleration I would try it, but if it's based on libavcodec, then there's really no use in trying it on my machine. I have a AMD X2-6000 Dual core, but there is no real software codecs that willl work, I'm not sure I've tried CoreAVC with it, it might work, but nothing else I've tried will work.
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post #2824 of 5194
10/9/08 at 2:50pm
Until the new version of Arcsoft Total Media Extreme is available you can not burn AVCHD disks with 5.1 audio.
Audio encoded with 5.1 audio will be transcoded to AC3 2 channel audio.

But here is a method I have experimented with and works as follows:

1. Capture 5.1 audio & video with Hauppauge beta driver.
2. Use Arcsoft TME to author AVCHD to hard disc.
5.1 audio will be transcoded to AC3 2 channel audio.
3. Download the free Tsmuxer program from http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html
4. Install Tsmuxer and convert the captured TS files to M2TS format.
5. Rename the converted M2TS files as 00000, 00001, 00002, .........
6. Copy renamed files to replace the files in STREAM directory of BDMV structure generated by TME with the AC3 2 channel audio.
7. Burn BDMV structure to DVD with ImgBurn(free) from http://www.imgburn.com/
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post #2825 of 5194
10/9/08 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by dhnj View Post

Until the new version of Arcsoft Total Media Extreme is available you can not burn AVCHD disks with 5.1 audio.
Audio encoded with 5.1 audio will be transcoded to AC3 2 channel audio.

But here is a method I have experimented with and works as follows:

1. Capture 5.1 audio & video with Hauppauge beta driver.
2. Use Arcsoft TME to author AVCHD to hard disc.
5.1 audio will be transcoded to AC3 2 channel audio.
3. Download the free Tsmuxer program from http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html
4. Install Tsmuxer and convert the captured TS files to M2TS format.
5. Rename the converted M2TS files as 00000, 00001, 00002, .........
6. Copy renamed files to replace the files in STREAM directory of BDMV structure generated by TME with the AC3 2 channel audio.
7. Burn BDMV structure to DVD with ImgBurn(free) from http://www.imgburn.com/

Your method has a few extra steps in it that aren't needed.

***EDIT***
I just thought about your method a bit more and it just dawned on me that your method should still allow the top menu created by TME to be part of the AVCHD disk. I will try this out tomorrow and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. What I posted below does involve less steps, but doesn't create a top menu.
***EDIT***

What works is to
1. Capture using the Hauppage beta 5.1 driver
2. Use Tsmuxer 1.8.4(b)
. a. Add file(s) you want up top in the Input section
. b. Select "Create Blue-Ray Disk" in the middle in the Output section
. c. Click on "Start Muxing" at the bottom
3. Burn the resulting "BDMV" and "CERTIFICATE" folders to a disk using ImgBurn

There won't be any Top Menu on the disk, it will just start playing when you put it in a player, but it does work.

I will be waiting until the updated TME software is released and hope that it works as well for me as the original 2.0 capable software.

Michael
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post #2826 of 5194
10/9/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by aemeeich View Post

Your method has a few extra steps in it that aren't needed.

What works is to
1. Capture using the Hauppage beta 5.1 driver
2. Use Tsmuxer 1.8.4(b)
. a. Add file(s) you want up top in the Input section
. b. Select "Create Blue-Ray Disk" in the middle in the Output section
. c. Click on "Start Muxing" at the bottom
3. Burn the resulting "BDMV" and "CERTIFICATE" folders to a disk using ImgBurn

There won't be any Top Menu on the disk, it will just start playing when you put it in a player, but it does work.

I will be waiting until the updated TME software is released and hope that it works as well for me as the original 2.0 capable software.

Michael


Would this really produce a discreet 5.1 avchd disc or just a matrixed 5.1??
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post #2827 of 5194
10/9/08 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by atabea View Post

Would this really produce a discreet 5.1 avchd disc or just a matrixed 5.1??

It sounds exactly the same to me as the original DVR recording.
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post #2828 of 5194
10/10/08 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by aemeeich View Post

Your method has a few extra steps in it that aren't needed.

***EDIT***
I just thought about your method a bit more and it just dawned on me that your method should still allow the top menu created by TME to be part of the AVCHD disk. I will try this out tomorrow and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. What I posted below does involve less steps, but doesn't create a top menu.
***EDIT***

What works is to
1. Capture using the Hauppage beta 5.1 driver
2. Use Tsmuxer 1.8.4(b)
. a. Add file(s) you want up top in the Input section
. b. Select "Create Blue-Ray Disk" in the middle in the Output section
. c. Click on "Start Muxing" at the bottom
3. Burn the resulting "BDMV" and "CERTIFICATE" folders to a disk using ImgBurn

There won't be any Top Menu on the disk, it will just start playing when you put it in a player, but it does work.

I will be waiting until the updated TME software is released and hope that it works as well for me as the original 2.0 capable software.

Michael

By using TME you create a BDMV with full menus, but the 5.1 audio is re-encoded to AC3 2 channel. By overwriting the M2TS files created by
Tsmuxer into the TME created BDMV/STREAM directory you get the original 5.1 audio captured by the Hauppauge beta driver.
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post #2829 of 5194
10/10/08 at 2:57am
thanks guys, I am going to be trying this later today!!!!
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post #2830 of 5194
10/10/08 at 7:06am
Hi, guys. I'd love to get one of these 1212's, but I'm trying to figure out how to work it into my system. I am thinking about "handing down" my current primary PC to use as an HTPC with the HD-PVR. It's got a 2.4GHz Opteron 180 dual core (essentially a socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 4800+), a pretty nice processor...three years ago.

Should I be able to get good playback performance with this platform?

I'd hate to build a new, speedy computer, and then relegate it to sit next to the TV...
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post #2831 of 5194
10/10/08 at 8:00am
Damn!!! txmuxer and imgburn work great!!!!!!!!!!!!!
burnt my first 5.1 avchd and it sounds fantastic. Now all I have to do is figure out how to stream directly to my ps3 and I will have covered all the bases. I have read that tversity is a great way to stream. I wanted to use Windows media 11 but I just can't get things to work.
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post #2832 of 5194
10/10/08 at 8:53am
Try new NERO 9 (NeroVision) with BluRay plugin.
One easy soft and result is BDV or AVCHD with DD 5.1 audio !!!
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post #2833 of 5194
10/10/08 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by atabea View Post

Damn!!! txmuxer and imgburn work great!!!!!!!!!!!!!
burnt my first 5.1 avchd and it sounds fantastic. Now all I have to do is figure out how to stream directly to my ps3 and I will have covered all the bases. I have read that tversity is a great way to stream. I wanted to use Windows media 11 but I just can't get things to work.

I couldn't get Windows media 11 to work either, but it did start working as soon as I installed Tversity. The only issue I have is that when I'm watching a streamed file, the black levels of the video are way too high and everything is washed out. The same file burned as an AVCHD looks normal.

So far I haven't been able to figure that out, and no one else has had any ideas either.
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post #2834 of 5194
10/10/08 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by aemeeich View Post

I couldn't get Windows media 11 to work either, but it did start working as soon as I installed Tversity. The only issue I have is that when I'm watching a streamed file, the black levels of the video are way too high and everything is washed out. The same file burned as an AVCHD looks normal.

So far I haven't been able to figure that out, and no one else has had any ideas either.

I will try tversity later tonight. BTW I burnt a second disc and that one is plagued with audio synch problems. Felt I was watching an old chinese kung fu flick. The first one was/is perfect though. Any suggestions to avoid the audio synch problem.
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post #2835 of 5194
10/10/08 at 11:51am
Need some help editing HDPVR recordings. I want to combine two recordings into a single file. What tools will I need to do this?

Using TME, I capped two broadcasts of the same football game. The first (live) cap cutoff the last 2 minutes of the game. I recorded the rebroadcast of the game to get the end.

Another issue is that the recordings are in 1080i when the broadcast was native 720p (I screwed up the settings on the STB). Is it worth reencoding to 720p or should I stick with the resolution as capped?

Thanks!
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post #2836 of 5194
10/10/08 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by skaman View Post

Need some help editing HDPVR recordings. I want to combine two recordings into a single file. What tools will I need to do this?

Using TME, I capped two broadcasts of the same football game. The first (live) cap cutoff the last 2 minutes of the game. I recorded the rebroadcast of the game to get the end.

Another issue is that the recordings are in 1080i when the broadcast was native 720p (I screwed up the settings on the STB). Is it worth reencoding to 720p or should I stick with the resolution as capped?

Thanks!

Looks like I'm going to wait for Videoredo to add h.264 support.
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post #2837 of 5194
10/11/08 at 5:11am
Anyone else having audio synch issues when using tsmuxer to burn avchd 5.1 discs???? Any suggestions to overcome this?

Thanks

Atabea
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post #2838 of 5194
10/11/08 at 12:26pm
Quick question about the optical input, which I just connected. Should this just work, e.g. for passthrough, without doing anything? The picture passes through fine, and the optical output combined with the analog input works also for passthrough.

But now I disconnected the analog audio and connected the optical input and I don't get any sound. The cable is fine (tried it out by plugging into the receiver directly).

Am I missing something, or is my optical input broken?
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post #2839 of 5194
10/11/08 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Rico66 View Post

Quick question about the optical input, which I just connected. Should this just work, e.g. for passthrough, without doing anything? The picture passes through fine, and the optical output combined with the analog input works also for passthrough.

But now I disconnected the analog audio and connected the optical input and I don't get any sound. The cable is fine (tried it out by plugging into the receiver directly).

Am I missing something, or is my optical input broken?

Be a little more specific, is this what you are saying?
Analog In along with Optical In = Optical Out
No Analog In with only Optical In = no Optical Out

Is that what you are saying?
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post #2840 of 5194
10/11/08 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

Be a little more specific, is this what you are saying?
Analog In along with Optical In = Optical Out
No Analog In with only Optical In = no Optical Out

Is that what you are saying?

Correct. As soon as the Analog in is connected I hear sound via the optical out in passthrough (or via capturing on the PC). But once I connect only the Optical in there is no sound (passthrough/ or via capturing).
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post #2841 of 5194
10/11/08 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Rico66 View Post

Correct. As soon as the Analog in is connected I hear sound via the optical out in passthrough (or via capturing on the PC). But once I connect only the Optical in there is no sound (passthrough/ or via capturing).

Have you changed the audio input with the ArcSoft software or by one of the graph files in graph edit. It sound like the input is selected for Analog in, but the part that is totally surprising is that you are getting Optical out, if the input in software is selected as Analog in.

You have power cycled the HD-PVR with the input and outputs you want to work? Sometimes that will correct things, but you need to go into the record program that came with the unit or use a graph in graph edit and set the Audio input on the box.
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post #2842 of 5194
10/11/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

Have you changed the audio input with the ArcSoft software or by one of the graph files in graph edit. It sound like the input is selected for Analog in, but the part that is totally surprising is that you are getting Optical out, if the input in software is selected as Analog in.

You have power cycled the HD-PVR with the input and outputs you want to work? Sometimes that will correct things, but you need to go into the record program that came with the unit or use a graph in graph edit and set the Audio input on the box.

That was it. I works now, once I changed the crossbar to spdif input in graphedit.

Thanks for your help!
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post #2843 of 5194
10/12/08 at 8:09am
I use the passthru all the time to watch tv.
1st problem: When I fast forward or rewind or change channels on my cablebox I get a brief (1sec) black screen that says "NO SIGNAL" on it.
2nd problem: Last night I lost sound altogether. I plugged my laptop's USB into the HD-PVR and sound was restored almost immediately without me having to do anything.
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post #2844 of 5194
10/12/08 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by czachari View Post

I use the passthru all the time to watch tv.
1st problem: When I fast forward or rewind or change channels on my cablebox I get a brief (1sec) black screen that says "NO SIGNAL" on it.
2nd problem: Last night I lost sound altogether. I plugged my laptop's USB into the HD-PVR and sound was restored almost immediately without me having to do anything.

I've got the same symptoms with Directv about the no signal, haven't noticed it on fast forward or skipping back and ahead though, mine only seems to happen on channel changes.

The losing audio on pass through has been around, it only happens very rarely and I'm not sure I've experienced it since the new beta 5.1 drivers came out, but normally a quick power cycle of the Hauppauge HD-PVR will restore sound.

When you lost sound did you not have anything plugged into it from the PC? I noticed you said you plugged your laptop's USB in and it fixed it immediately, seems like any kind of reset or most anything that reinitializes the unit fixes the pass through audio. Of course if you're recording this isn't a very good solution
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post #2845 of 5194
10/12/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

Have you changed the audio input with the ArcSoft software or by one of the graph files in graph edit. It sound like the input is selected for Analog in, but the part that is totally surprising is that you are getting Optical out, if the input in software is selected as Analog in.

You have power cycled the HD-PVR with the input and outputs you want to work? Sometimes that will correct things, but you need to go into the record program that came with the unit or use a graph in graph edit and set the Audio input on the box.

I just set up my system with my new HD PVR yesterday.

I'm experiencing the same thing above (optical audio not passing through), but I don't understand what you mean by changing the input with the arcsoft software, or by one of the graph files.

I have ArcSoft Connect, which doesn't do anything when I launch it. I have Arcsoft Total Media Extreme / Theater. There is an option in Theater : Setup / Audio / Auido Output Mode. You can select S/PDIF there, but that doesn't seem to help. I see no relevant options in T.M. Extereme.

Moreover, I fail to see how software on an XP box would affect passthrough settings on the HDPVR, especially since the point of passthrough is to enable watching without the computer on. I just don't see a hardware-level options setting that lets me fix this.

Now, I have checked my receiver and it says it is receiving 48kHz PCM, and I haven't changed the receiver setting from when I had the cable box directly connected via optical. Obviously I have a new cable for passthrough, but it is brand new and one of those heavy-duty ones. I do see the red light coming out of the cable connected to the HDPVR output.

help would be appreciated!
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post #2846 of 5194
10/12/08 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

I've got the same symptoms with Directv about the no signal, haven't noticed it on fast forward or skipping back and ahead though, mine only seems to happen on channel changes.

The losing audio on pass through has been around, it only happens very rarely and I'm not sure I've experienced it since the new beta 5.1 drivers came out, but normally a quick power cycle of the Hauppauge HD-PVR will restore sound.

When you lost sound did you not have anything plugged into it from the PC? I noticed you said you plugged your laptop's USB in and it fixed it immediately, seems like any kind of reset or most anything that reinitializes the unit fixes the pass through audio. Of course if you're recording this isn't a very good solution

I only use it to dump things off to my laptop for archiving to DVD-R. I did unplug the HD-PVR's power a few times (to no avail) before I tried plugging in the USB laptop connection. I actually plugged the laptop in to "downgrade" to the previous version of the driver but the moment I plugged it in, the sound came on instantly.
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post #2847 of 5194
10/12/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by schmoppa View Post

I just set up my system with my new HD PVR yesterday.

I'm experiencing the same thing above (optical audio not passing through), but I don't understand what you mean by changing the input with the arcsoft software, or by one of the graph files.

I have ArcSoft Connect, which doesn't do anything when I launch it. I have Arcsoft Total Media Extreme / Theater. There is an option in Theater : Setup / Audio / Auido Output Mode. You can select S/PDIF there, but that doesn't seem to help. I see no relevant options in T.M. Extereme.

Moreover, I fail to see how software on an XP box would affect passthrough settings on the HDPVR, especially since the point of passthrough is to enable watching without the computer on. I just don't see a hardware-level options setting that lets me fix this.

Now, I have checked my receiver and it says it is receiving 48kHz PCM, and I haven't changed the receiver setting from when I had the cable box directly connected via optical. Obviously I have a new cable for passthrough, but it is brand new and one of those heavy-duty ones. I do see the red light coming out of the cable connected to the HDPVR output.

help would be appreciated!

Not sure how it is done via Arcsoft, because I uninstalled all the Arcsoft SW, and kept only filedump.ax to use it with rctvcap.
I use Graphedit and the graphs that have been described within this thread, and also in ARogans blog. Here's what I did:

1. Switched off the hdpvr and disconnected everything.
2. Reconnected all cables that I want (component in/out, optical in/out) and turned everything on again
3. Opened the filter graph in Graphedit and changed the audio connections within the crossbar filter (mapped spdiff input to the audio output). Note that, if you can get access to this property page from Arcsoft, then you should be able to do the same within tme.

After doing that I get 5.1. sound in passthrough and on the pc.
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post #2848 of 5194
10/12/08 at 2:31pm
How do those of you who are using rctvcap/kltoolbox schedule recordings? Do you manually enter tasks in the Windows task scheduler, or do you have a tool that does that?
I noticed that you can use the hauppauge scheduler to schedule a start time, and then go to the task scheduler and simply replace the wintvtme entry with the batch file that starts rctvcap (or you can enter the rctvcap parameters directly in there). Is there a tool that does this in one step?
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post #2849 of 5194
10/12/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by czachari View Post

I plugged my laptop's USB into the HD-PVR and sound was restored almost immediately without me having to do anything.

I had been messing around with my HD PVR and removed the usb cable from the computer when I shut down one night. Next day I had no audio at all going through pass through, but the video was fine. I bypassed the HD PVR completely with my optical cable and plugged it directly into my receiver and verified it was good. So, booted my computer, plugged in USB cable and the pass through signal began working! Now why on earth I need to have the USB cable plugged in for pass through to work makes no sense?!

Also, for those that have been monitoring my distorted sound issues with high def optical from my Motorolla 6416 Fios box, Hauppage tech support emailed me back and said they are aware of the issue. I'm waiting a response back from them tomorrow to get my next course of action. I'll keep you posted..
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post #2850 of 5194
10/12/08 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Rico66 View Post

Not sure how it is done via Arcsoft, because I uninstalled all the Arcsoft SW, and kept only filedump.ax to use it with rctvcap.
I use Graphedit and the graphs that have been described within this thread, and also in ARogans blog. Here's what I did:

1. Switched off the hdpvr and disconnected everything.
2. Reconnected all cables that I want (component in/out, optical in/out) and turned everything on again
3. Opened the filter graph in Graphedit and changed the audio connections within the crossbar filter (mapped spdiff input to the audio output). Note that, if you can get access to this property page from Arcsoft, then you should be able to do the same within tme.

After doing that I get 5.1. sound in passthrough and on the pc.

thanks!

I guess the big question is whether I should be surprised that this functionality doesn't work out of the box, and the solution is to read through 95 pages of posts on a 3rd-party forum website to figure out the work around, including using unrelated 3rd party software
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