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post #4951 of 5196
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Originally Posted by dgf2002 View Post

Does anyone know if the 1212 will record from the forthcoming Ceton tuner via a scheduler (not with the IR blaster) so that the output could be used over a network without the use of the loud and power hungry Xbox extender?

And assuming it can / will, would the recording be marked copy once preventing it from network play back from say Sage TV or WMC?

Thanks .

I don't believe they can activate the copy once when you record via analog connection like the component cable. The HDCP and copy once are HDMI specific function I believe.
post #4952 of 5196
The Ceton tuner has no output connections so there is nothing from which the HD PVR can record. The Ceton tuner operates like any other digital tuner with the exception that it can receive encrypted channels.
post #4953 of 5196
Is this still the only solution to record from a component source after TWO years? I've googled and searched the forums here and haven't seen anything else that can do this. I am looking for a solution that will allow me to record/stream from my PS3 while I output on a separate display. It is important that I be able to split the signal before going to the recording device because I cannot introduce input lag to the display.

HDMI would be ideal because one of my displays only has HDMI input, but looks like HDCP revokable keys have really stalled the market on rogue HDMI capture devices.
post #4954 of 5196
AverTV HD DVR: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1196020

Does not have hardware encoding so requires CPU encoding.
Component and HDMI inputs (no HDCP content).
2 channel audio capture only.

You do know that the Hauppauge HD-PVR has no lag on the passthrough component connections so you don't need to split it first, right?
post #4955 of 5196
I didn't see this posted yet so I'll mention it:


Hauppauge HD-PVR Driver Coming Soon to Windows 7 Media Center

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Public Release Coming Soon

Hauppauge has been working on a Windows 7 Media Center which supports the HD PVR. This driver project is something Hauppauge has been working on for nearly a year and thanks to some help from Microsoft, they have it working now and are ironing out the details. No official ETA yet, but it appears to be close . They also confirmed that the driver does not currently work on Windows XP MCE. UPDATE 5/5/2010 : Apparently this will be for Windows 7 only and will not be ported back to Vista or XP
Unanswered questions we still have about the HD-PVR/Windows 7MC driver include:

* What is the ETA for the driver release to public? UPDATE 5/4/2010: I'm being told the plans are to release this driver to the public this month - May 2010 - possibly as soon as a week or two!
* Will channel changing via the IR blaster work? (I use firewire channel changing with my HD-PVR and SageTV which is a better option) UPDATE 5/5 officially, the Hauppauge IR blaster will be supported at release although that doesn't mean other external channel-changers won't follow
* How many HD-PVRs will we be able to use with MediaCenter at the same time?
post #4956 of 5196
Now THAT is pretty sweet! I've been too lazy to try to set it up myself. If they provide a driver to just make it work. Hell yea!!
post #4957 of 5196
Good stuff!!!

Yeah I'll certainly test it out on one of my two Hauppauge HD PVR systems but I just hope they don't somehow add DRM restrictions. Right now I am reasonably happy with DVBLink for Hauppauge HD PVR though.
post #4958 of 5196
Kinda scared to ask this, What is Media Center?
In a couple of sentences what does it do? How is it different than media player?
post #4959 of 5196
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Kinda scared to ask this, What is Media Center?
In a couple of sentences what does it do? How is it different than media player?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Center

Microsoft's very nice media interface in XP MCE, Vista Home Premium and above, and Windows 7 Home Premium and above. It works very well.
post #4960 of 5196
Please need some help!

I have had my HD-PVR now for two years and it has worked pefectly on my Vista64-computer. For a year ago my computer broke down and I have now replaced it with a Windows7 64-bit.

Yesterday then I installed TME and updated the HD-PVR to the latest driver.

This is where I now have a problem! When I choose S-PDIF i get a blank black screen. When I choose RCA Back or Front the picture in the preview windows pop out.

Please what to do? It all worked december 2008.
post #4961 of 5196
If you have a bad SPDIF connection or optical cable it is normal to get a black screen. So make sure your sending an audio signal, check your connections etc.
post #4962 of 5196
Wow... this would not be good for us HD-PVR's

FCC allows blocking of Set-top boxes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100507/...pphu-container

Does look like they will only do it on newly released movies. But if that happens.. what else will follow.

I only have a single HDMI hookup on my TV which I use for my computer. I use component for my STB. That would be a freakin' hassle for me to change out because someone determined it's not right to view hidef content over component. Sigh....
post #4963 of 5196
Well, let's not get too carried away. Yes, I see the potential and where this is eventually probably going to be going. However, as I read it now, it allows cable and satellite companies to offer movies that just hit the theater on demand (at probably 20-50 bucks a pop know the greedy jerks that run those companies). So, it has value in that we'll get the choice of a new release movie on demand sooner but at the price of this slippery slope we're going down by allowing them to turn off analog. This will only impact HD-PVR users in so far as not being able to record these new releases for 90 days. *FOR NOW*.
post #4964 of 5196
With an HDfury2 you should be able to get around it. Sucks as they are $150 though.
post #4965 of 5196
Some converters cost under $40.
post #4966 of 5196
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Originally Posted by danxmanly View Post

Wow... this would not be good for us HD-PVR's

FCC allows blocking of Set-top boxes


Does look like they will only do it on newly released movies. But if that happens.. what else will follow.

I only have a single HDMI hookup on my TV which I use for my computer. I use component for my STB. That would be a freakin' hassle for me to change out because someone determined it's not right to view hidef content over component. Sigh....

This is our concern dude. TW just got around to activating copy protection flags in my area so that I can now only record many programs to my TW provided DVR which of course is limited in HDD capacity and can't be expanded. I was previously transferring shows to my DVD recorder when the DVR got full, but no more. That is why I went out and bought the HD PVR 1212. I am happy with it so far, but this news makes me sure that the noose will quickly be tightened and the analog hole will be no more. These greedy corporations want us to be locked into their equipment on a strictly pay per view plan.
post #4967 of 5196
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Originally Posted by danxmanly View Post

Wow... this would not be good for us HD-PVR's...

Duh!

You want to spend $30 - $50 so you can make a copy of a movie; instead of waiting 90 - 120 days to make the same copy???
post #4968 of 5196
Again, not so worried about the initial activation on this with the new movies.. but how long will the big networks be in following this with prime time shows only being able to be shown through HDMI connections?

I'm so freaking limited on HDD space with my 160gig fios box it's ridiculous. I may travel a week at a time on business and it's pretty much at 80% when I get back. The HD-PVR at least allows me to off load the movies from the fios box to watch later instead of being forced to choose what to delete if I don't have time to sit down and watch in one sitting.

Looks like the fury device would work if it got to be where the analog hole was totally plugged one day. But by that time we may have other options as well...
post #4969 of 5196
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Originally Posted by danxmanly View Post

Again, not so worried about the initial activation on this with the new movies.. but how long will the big networks be in following this with prime time shows only being able to be shown through HDMI connections?

Don't get me wrong, I agree this is a VERY slippery slope. Now that they have this concession it's very easy to keep lowering the bar. "Well, we now need it on ALL video on demand." "Now we need it on all premium pay channels." ETC. So we'll see where it all leads. At the MOMENT, it's not such a huge deal, but, where it ends certainly could be. I was on vacation for several days so I have stuff I need to get off my box, as well, so I can cut commercials and catch up. I use the HD PVR for that and this would suck if it came to pass.
post #4970 of 5196
Where exactly does one buy an HD Fury / HD Fury 2 within the continental USA,.? I would be happy to buy one if it would guarantee me usage of my Hauppauge HD PVR off of HDMI when the analog hole is closed.
post #4971 of 5196
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Originally Posted by Octavean View Post

Where exactly does one buy an HD Fury / HD Fury 2 within the continental USA,.? I would be happy to buy one if it would guarantee me usage of my Hauppauge HD PVR off of HDMI when the analog hole is closed.

i got mine from monoprice.com
post #4972 of 5196
Great!

Thanks!

Have you tested it with the Hauppauge HD PVR?

Which version did you get?

I want the HD Fury^2 but they only seem to have the old HD Fury.
post #4973 of 5196
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Originally Posted by Octavean View Post

Great!

I want the HD Fury^2 but they only seem to have the old HD Fury.


They have the HDFury2 blue edition/(standard), HDMI to VGA/Component. Which is the one you would want.
post #4974 of 5196
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

They have the HDFury2 blue edition/(standard), HDMI to VGA/Component. Which is the one you would want.


All I see is:

HDFURY - DVI TO VGA(RGB) CONVERTER *BLUE EDITION* (STANDARD EDITION) Product ID: 4559. They also have the green and red edition but these are all the older HD Fury not HD Fury^2. Do you have a link?

Thanks in advance.
post #4975 of 5196
Direct links to other vendors is often frowned upon in these forums. It's easily found by just doing a search on monoprices website for HDFURY. Or do a search for it by their product ID # 5035
post #4976 of 5196
Thanks I did a search but could only find the old HD Fury. If you use “HDFury” rather than “HD Fury 2” you get the full complement. The product ID did it too so thanks again. I didn’t know the HD Fury^2 HDMI TO VGA/Component Blue Edition was ~$144. That’s a bit steep IMO. I still want one though

***edit***

I’m guessing with the HD Fury^2 I can record with the Hauppauge HD PVR even if component out is disabled so that’s a big plus. We know it’s coming someday or rather we know it will become more widespread.
post #4977 of 5196
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Originally Posted by Octavean View Post

Thanks I did a search but could only find the old HD Fury. If you use HDFury rather than HD Fury 2 you get the full complement. The product ID did it too so thanks again. I didn't know the HD Fury^2 HDMI TO VGA/Component Blue Edition was ~$144. That's a bit steep IMO. I still want one though

***edit***

I'm guessing with the HD Fury^2 I can record with the Hauppauge HD PVR even if component out is disabled so that's a big plus. We know it's coming someday or rather we know it will become more widespread.

From the way I understand it, the HD Fury2 will work fine until the dark lords blacklist it and it can no longer complete the "handshake" with the HDMI output from your cable/satellite box. Some new method will then have to be employed to allow fair use recording.
post #4978 of 5196
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Originally Posted by w_sobchak View Post

From the way I understand it, the HD Fury2 will work fine until the dark lords blacklist it and it can no longer complete the "handshake" with the HDMI output from your cable/satellite box. Some new method will then have to be employed to allow fair use recording.

Fortunately the gods that created the HD Fury 2 had the forethought to realize this was possible and took steps to counter this problem. Mainly the toy is firmware upgradeable. Including adding a new EDID. So, you could be in for a fun time of HDCP blacklisting/updating cat and mouse game, but, at least not all hope is lost the minute they black list it. I have to admit, I'm a bit intrigued by this thing, too, but, then it'd block my HDMI port on the cable box which would bite. Yes, you could then pass through to the tv using component but that's not quite the solution I had in mind.
post #4979 of 5196
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Originally Posted by w_sobchak View Post

...Some new method will then have to be employed to allow fair use recording.

I assume by "fair use" you mean utilizing small segments of the program for some scholarly, educational or charitable use.

There is no "fair use" exception to copying the complete day-and-date movie for multiple viewings. If you want to watch it again, you must pay the fee required.

We are not talking about protecting DVDs from the peanut-butter laden fingers of children here...
post #4980 of 5196
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

I assume by "fair use" you mean utilizing small segments of the program for some scholarly, educational or charitable use.

There is no "fair use" exception to copying the complete day-and-date movie for multiple viewings. If you want to watch it again, you must pay the fee required.

We are not talking about protecting DVDs from the peanut-butter laden fingers of children here...

You are being presumptuous if you think my comment about "fair use" means copying movies for repeated viewings. I would buy a disc if that were my intention. I am referring to the fact that cable providers supply DVRs that are not expandable, therefore requiring the deletion of content to make room for more recordings. I would gladly plug an external drive into my DVR and allow the content to be encrypted and copy proof if only any of the multiple ports on the POS allowed for such a thing. As a result, I use the HD PVR to record onto my PC where it is, ironically, copy protection free.
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