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post #1831 of 4168
9/17/08 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by jruser View Post

I doubt I will buy Onkyo/Integra for a long while. I will probably keep the 805, as long as it remains functional, to use as a power amp only. I will upgrade to a cheaper receiver in future to use as a preamp to get around the persisting HDMI problems plaguing the Onkyo.

I bought the 805 in good faith based on reviews and features. My unit came with 1.05 but I was able to apply the DSP update and the 1.08 update.

Even with the updates, some remaining problems still exist:
1. E2PROM error (not for all users, but seems a decent percentage)
2. Inability of the receiver to pass non-standard resolutions over HDMI. Not only is the receiver limited to standard resolutions (1080i/p, 720p, 480i/p), it is limited to certain timings. One DVI port on my TV has different 1080p EDID timings than another port. Both ports accept 1080p, but the receiver will only send through a signal to one of the ports. Sending a resolution from a PC such as 1280x1024 does not work at all.
3. HDMI/HDCP syncronisation problems persist when connecting the receiver to an HDMI input. If I wanted to watch HDMI input 1, I would switch to IN 1, switch to an input with an inactive source, and switch back to IN 1 to get a signal lock. Powering the TV off/on may or may not work. Getting flashes of static, green, purple, etc would persist until the lock.
4. When connecting to a DVI input, the receiver has serious problems with 1080i. It seems that the receiver will pass a 1080i signal still but corrupts this part of the EDID so the source thinks that the display is not 1080i capable. 1080p still works fine.

Some of these isssues are likely isolated to my setup, but I am sure other issues exist with differing setups. In an industry where virtually every DVD player, HD-DVD player, Blu-ray player, TV, game console, etc receive multiple updates to fix HDMI compatibility issues, Onkyo has not released a single HDMI update.

The updates that were eventually leaked are unsupported, unacknowledged, and a hassle to download and install.

Thanks for the information, jruser. I see there are still some lingering issues for some configurations, unfortunately. Luckily I have not encountered any of the issue you've mentioned (all my gear is HDMI 1.1 minimum) with my TX-SR805.

However, I have encountered one issue: I have a SNES around for some old-school gaming for myself and my nephews, and it is connected via an S-Video cable to the receiver; the receiver connects to my TV via HDMI. The signal from the SNES is garbled via that path (it's there but it moves around) and is unwatchable. However, when I use the S-Video monitor output of the receiver the picture is stable and crisp. I cannot determine what the cause is.

On the plus side, it is the only receiver I've found with the guts to properly drive my inefficient 4ohm Onix Reference 1 monitors (without a hint of strain).
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post #1832 of 4168
9/17/08 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Onkyo View Post

It is confirmed that the reported issue is not a real problem but a specification.

I guess I missed the line in the specs that lists "screws up colorspace on upconverted material". It's not listed in my 875 manual.
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post #1833 of 4168
9/17/08 at 10:47am
My guess is that Onkyo engineers either truly believe that there is no colorspace issue or they are aware but untruthful about ackowledging it. If the issue is the latter, then I suspect the reason is that the fix is deemed too costly. I don't think a law suit against Onkyo is feasible. Asking Silicon Optix to intervene on our behalf is also unlikely to help since they would not want to be in a position to upset a major client. I think a public petition to Onkyo signed by many users may motivate them to bring about a remedy.
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post #1834 of 4168
9/17/08 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by ihifi View Post

My guess is that Onkyo engineers either truly believe that there is no colorspace issue or they are aware but untruthful about ackowledging it.

I actually think that this is far beyound any (development-) engineer's decision. It is more likely a product management decision, perhaps even higher management. Engineers *normally* want's to fix their babies. It is a matter of pride. But in larger companies, engineers seldom has the freedom to work on matters that are not sanctioned (sp?) from above. Rather the opposite; they are not allowed to.

(me = former Development manager in a very large company)
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post #1835 of 4168
9/17/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

Here is the response to my 2nd email to Onkyo Japan I sent yesterday. Guess this is the end of the line.

Thank you very much for your feedback.

Please understand that the information provided in the previous mail is about
general things.

It is confirmed that the reported issue is not a real problem but a
specification.
TX-NR905 does not perform special correction in conversion between HD and SD.
However, TX-NR906 has got a function to do some correction in such cases as a
result of specification change from 2007 models.

Unfortunately, we are not planning to change the specification in past models.

We hope this helps.

Yours sincerely,

*****
ONKYO CORPORATION
- ASIA SUPPORT-
e-mail:support@intl.onkyo.com

What a joke. The couldn't deny it anymore, so they decided that having it work properly is actually feature that they didn't specify.

That's the final nail in the coffin. This attitude is completely unaccecptable. No more Onkyo products for me. Period.
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post #1836 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by VespaMan View Post

I actually think that this is far beyound any (development-) engineer's decision. It is more likely a product management decision, perhaps even higher management. Engineers *normally* want's to fix their babies. It is a matter of pride. But in larger companies, engineers seldom has the freedom to work on matters that are not sanctioned (sp?) from above. Rather the opposite; they are not allowed to.

(me = former Development manager in a very large company)


You are probably right; It's likely the bean counters, not the engineers, who are being oblivious.
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post #1837 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by ihifi View Post

I think a public petition to Onkyo signed by many users may motivate them to bring about a remedy.

Personally, I think publicity from Onkyo's past (poor) support is most likely to prompt change. Pointing out their past performance in any threads about current and future products on any forums may help. Even if it does nothing to change Onkyo's customer support, at least it provides fair warning to future potential customers.
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post #1838 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:13pm
Thread Starter 
It's always a "political" decision by the marketing department / product management to cut off support for past model generations.
It's not Onkyo's / Integra's business to care for last year's generation but to sell every year as many new units (this year's generation) as possible. They are a consumer electronics "mass" manufacturer, not software company. And as such they could care less.

Because of their rather limited responsibility they need not to do more, just the minimum needed to get and have it running until the next generation is entering into production making the former products obsolete.


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Originally Posted by ihifi View Post

You are probably right; It's likely the bean counters, not the engineers, who are being oblivious.
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post #1839 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:18pm
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However, TX-NR906 has got a function to do some correction in such cases as a result of specification change from 2007 models.

Anyone want to try and load the initial 906/9.9 firmware on their 905/9.8 to see what happens?
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post #1840 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:24pm
Thread Starter 
Certainly, just hand it over to me
But 9.8 / 9.9 use the 875 / 876 firmware versions, not the 905 / 906 ones.

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Originally Posted by Hopstretch View Post

Anyone want to try and load the initial 906/9.9 firmware on their 905/9.8 to see what happens?
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post #1841 of 4168
9/17/08 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post

This iThis is a noble effort indeed. But I am confused. After searching this thread I could not find the color space images referenced. Are you referring to screen shots or CIE diagrams?

I have an Integra 9.8 with the latest FW. I am not an ISF certified tech but use an Eye One with Color HCFR and usually GetGray to measure and calibrate my personal display devices.

I should note that my main display, the only one that is critical in having things correct, is a 720p front pj. The Reon chip scales 1080p out of a PS3 to 720p far better than the PS3. So enabling Reon is needed in my setup.

To the point. Calibrating using Rec.709 as the target with Reon on is the closest I have come to hitting CIE primary and secondary targets.

So what am I not understanding? I can not see the color space issue.

Joe

First, the error is in encoding YCbCr, so you won't see it if you use RGB. Second, since it's an encode/decode mismatch, you won't see it in the primaries on the CIE diagram, but you will see it in the secondaries.This post in the thread I started in the Display Calibration forum, shows the results of this sort of encode/decode mismatch, which is what I have observed from my 9.8. I should add that my ISF calibrator, David Abrams, saw it too, and made a special calibration to try to ameliorate the effect as best he could.
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post #1842 of 4168
9/17/08 at 1:08pm
The thing that really gets me about the whole thing besides the fact they won't work on a fix is the 2nd email they sent me seems to imply the 906 has the same problem. Instead of fixing it they add ISF calibration to the unit so you can try to correct the problem by changing settings. From what people have reported in the 906 thread it appears the consumer can't get into the ISF calibration area so you have to pay someone to come and do it for you.

Add: I'm going to send Steve at Silicon Optix the emails I received from Onkyo Japan. Wonder what they'll think about it?
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post #1843 of 4168
9/17/08 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

... There even admitting there is a problem and in the same breath are telling you to F off and if you want it fixed
you must buy a new model. ...

As I have stated before: This is Onkyo's mission statement.
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post #1844 of 4168
9/17/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by VespaMan View Post

I actually think that this is far beyound any (development-) engineer's decision. It is more likely a product management decision, perhaps even higher management. Engineers *normally* want's to fix their babies. It is a matter of pride. But in larger companies, engineers seldom has the freedom to work on matters that are not sanctioned (sp?) from above. Rather the opposite; they are not allowed to.

(me = former Development manager in a very large company)

As previously stated, by another poster, you are probably right.

Regardless of where, in the company, the decision was made, it was made by Onkyo (The Company), and it reflects their position regarding customer support.

With this latest statement (posted earlier by scubawoman) Onkyo has publicly acknowledged that they have chosen to live on the edge. It will be interesting to watch them teeter...
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post #1845 of 4168
9/17/08 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

The thing that really gets me about the whole thing besides the fact they won't work on a fix is the 2nd email they sent me seems to imply the 906 has the same problem. Instead of fixing it they add ISF calibration to the unit so you can try to correct the problem by changing settings. From what people have reported in the 906 thread it appears the consumer can't get into the ISF calibration area so you have to pay someone to come and do it for you.

Add: I'm going to send Steve at Silicon Optix the emails I received from Onkyo Japan. Wonder what they'll think about it?

I took it the other way. It sounded like Onkyo was saying there was a specification change in the new models, but if there did happen to be an error, it could be corrected due to the new features .
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post #1846 of 4168
9/17/08 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by DCIFRTHS View Post

I took it the other way. It sounded like Onkyo was saying there was a specification change in the new models, but if there did happen to be an error, it could be corrected due to the new features .

You may be right about that. When I read it I didn't take it that way but now that I read it again that may be the case. Guess I'm just ticked and it clouded my comprehension at that moment.
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post #1847 of 4168
9/17/08 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

You may be right about that. When I read it I didn't take it that way but now that I read it again that may be the case. Guess I'm just ticked and it clouded my comprehension at that moment.


Onkyo never writes clearly comprehensible messages, so it's certainly not you
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post #1848 of 4168
9/17/08 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by fyzziks View Post

First, the error is in encoding YCbCr, so you won't see it if you use RGB. Second, since it's an encode/decode mismatch, you won't see it in the primaries on the CIE diagram, but you will see it in the secondaries.This post in the thread I started in the Display Calibration forum, shows the results of this sort of encode/decode mismatch, which is what I have observed from my 9.8. I should add that my ISF calibrator, David Abrams, saw it too, and made a special calibration to try to ameliorate the effect as best he could.

Thanks

Real color management is not included in my pj. After months and many calibration runs I could not get the secondaries as close as I wanted. Then the 9.8 and reon came into the picture. A couple of runs and the primaries and secondaries are very close. Greyscale is almost dead on and gamma is at 2.4.

Must be a case of serendipity, but things sure look good.

Joe
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post #1849 of 4168
9/17/08 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by NeilPeart View Post

However, I have encountered one issue: I have a SNES around for some old-school gaming for myself and my nephews, and it is connected via an S-Video cable to the receiver; the receiver connects to my TV via HDMI. The signal from the SNES is garbled via that path (it's there but it moves around) and is unwatchable. However, when I use the S-Video monitor output of the receiver the picture is stable and crisp. I cannot determine what the cause is.

Confirmed. I just pulled out the SNES and tried it. The same problem happens over composite and S-Video. The N64 however works fine.
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post #1850 of 4168
9/17/08 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

Here is the response to my 2nd email to Onkyo Japan I sent yesterday. Guess this is the end of the line.

Thank you very much for your feedback.

Please understand that the information provided in the previous mail is about
general things.

It is confirmed that the reported issue is not a real problem but a
specification.
TX-NR905 does not perform special correction in conversion between HD and SD.
However, TX-NR906 has got a function to do some correction in such cases as a
result of specification change from 2007 models.

Unfortunately, we are not planning to change the specification in past models.

We hope this helps.

Yours sincerely,

*****
ONKYO CORPORATION
- ASIA SUPPORT-
e-mail:support@intl.onkyo.com

Scubawoman:

That you could take to the bank with a class action attorney. That's as much as an admission against interest (and of a flawed product) as you are ever going to get.

Did you save the E-mail? And your E-mails?

Here is your misrepresentation (from the 905 US web page for Onkyo http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i):

Straight from the Onkyo website


"Making Waves as the Best in High-Definition, Networked Home Entertainment
Meet the standout leader of Onkyo’s new range of home theater heroes. Embracing all of the technologies synonymous with the 2007 line-up—including HDMI 1.3a, Dolby® TrueHD, DTS-HD® Master Audio,THX™ Ultra2™ and Audyssey MultEQ® XT—the TX-NR905 7.1-channel home network receiver has a number of advantages that propel it into the home theater super league. Look to the TX-NR905's network (interfacing with Windows Media Player and Windows Media Connect) to open up a huge reservoir of internet and computer-based audio resources. And enjoy the edge in high-definition 1080p video processing from the world’s first receiver to incorporate HQV Reon VX. In line with Onkyo’s impeccable track record, under the hood of the TX-NR905 you’ll find an innovative power supply, remarkable amplification design, and high-performance parts from the likes of Texas Instruments. “Complete” is a tag not given lightly, but the TX-NR905 earns it in style.

HQV Reon-VX Chip for High-Performance Video Processing (with 1080p Upscaling)
The TX-NR905 is the world’s first A/V receiver to incorporate HQV Reon-VX video processing. HQV Reon-VX will scale all video signals to 1080p without the visible inconsistencies found in less competent scalers. It also provides the ultimate support for standard and high-definition deinterlacing; for filtering of jaggies and artifacts; and for the reduction of random, “mosquito” and block (codec) noise. HQV Reon-VX enables color region enhancement and the rendering of more than one billion colors.



"Processing 1080p Video and High-Resolution Audio via High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI 1.3a)
With four HDMI inputs, you can receive and switch the latest high-definition components—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD players, satellite and cable boxes, media centers, and gaming consoles—for a simple, one-cable digital connection to an HDTV through either of the two assignable HDMI outputs (Main and Sub). HDMI delivers the latest high-definition audio formats—Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby® Digital Plus and DTS-HD® High Resolution Audio—which are processed by the TX-NR905’s onboard decoders. These new formats enable unprecedented quality, including bit-for-bit reproduction (in TrueHD and Master Audio). Also, HDMI 1.3a gives you greater bandwidth to deal with higher resolutions, 36-bit Deep Color™ and high frame rates."

(Emphasis Added)

Anyone in CA interested - you can PM me.
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post #1851 of 4168
9/17/08 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

We (805 Main Uploader v1.00 SOL Cl*b members) have an almost certain fix in motion. A couple really talented and dedicated folks have created the appropriate working jigs to allow us to update our firmware to 1.08 and the Main Uploader to 1.01. See the last few days on this thread.
Now that's AVS Forums actually accomplishing something productive!!! Yahoo!

Great! But unless someone is local to me in Texas, guess I will have to ship it in to Onkyo in Colorado still, and seeing as I now have the new Pio SC-05, I won't need to worry about having no AVR to use while I wait. Of course, the problems that jruser mentions appear even after a rig update, so perhaps it would be much better to have it done at Onkyo.

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Originally Posted by Scubawoman View Post

Here is the response to my 2nd email to Onkyo Japan I sent yesterday. Guess this is the end of the line.

Thank you very much for your feedback.

Please understand that the information provided in the previous mail is about
general things.

It is confirmed that the reported issue is not a real problem but a
specification.
TX-NR905 does not perform special correction in conversion between HD and SD.
However, TX-NR906 has got a function to do some correction in such cases as a
result of specification change from 2007 models.

Unfortunately, we are not planning to change the specification in past models.

We hope this helps.

Yours sincerely,

*****
ONKYO CORPORATION
- ASIA SUPPORT-
e-mail:support@intl.onkyo.com


I am not sure, but to me Onkyo does seem to be saying that there IS a fix to this problem - the fix is to BUY THEIR NEWER AVR's. DOH!!!!!! Rotten JERKS!

I had better sell my 805 soon!

As for mention of a class action lawsuit? DCIFRTHS, didn't you NR1000 owners talk about doing just that in your link inside your sig? And it was found not feasable to do?

This whole situation just SUCKS!!!!!! If only . . . . . read the rest here:

I own a VW MKV R32 (the AWD VR6 Golf, really an amazing car!). There are some owners over on the VW Vortex web forum that are having engine/fuel problems with their R32's. Sadly, you can't tell from the number of posts how widespread this problem is, because many of the actual posts (just like on here) are from the same angry owners, not individual new owners with new tales of woe. I had mentioned that someone should try to find an official publication to see if there are any reports on the problem. Well, it was found at the NHTSA that there were only 7 officially reported issues made on this problem. Now the rest of them are reporting it properly to the official gov agency that CAN do something about this, and with a high enough number of reports, some legal action can be taken.

Now in regards to this problem with Onkyo, as it is not a car and thus NHTSA cannot help, is there an agency that this COULD be reported to, and begin to see an actual count? And eventually BE publicly disclosed, and without refute? I am sure the magazines and Internet reveiwers won't be of help, as they are more interested in advertising $$$$'s. But a legal gov agency would be great to help with this. Maybe the BB? Or some HT agency? We need, nay, we MUST find some way to make Onkyo's lack of caring made public. The ONLY way to make them HEAR us, is by making them FEEL the dip in their pockets!

One way I am beggining my campaign, is that today, while at my local large electronics store, which sells Onkyo, I explained to a number of the sales people and their manager, how Onkyo is treating their customers. Thankfully, they sell Denon as well (sure wish Pioneer too, darn it), and are fully able/happy to push that line over Onkyo any day. And as many of them know me, and listen to what I say, they took it to heart. My advice, try to do the same where ever you can!!!!!!!!! An eye for an eye I say!
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post #1852 of 4168
9/17/08 at 9:36pm
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

... As for mention of a class action lawsuit? DCIFRTHS, didn't you NR1000 owners talk about doing just that in your link inside your sig? And it was found not feasable to do? ...

I was in contact with another owner who was trying to get our situation aired on a NY news station. I think it was "Help Me Howard". Unfortunately, it never worked out.
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post #1853 of 4168
9/17/08 at 10:06pm
Is there a Newer firmware for the 705 past 1.06?

Anyone know?
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post #1854 of 4168
9/18/08 at 6:16am
No reply to either of my emails as of yet. Someone must be looking at a new firmware given Joerod's claims about 1.10 (that it still was being worked on and should supposedly fix the issue). Unfortunately we'll never get a straight answer until the darn firmware is out, if it ever comes out.

Really peeved. Getting my Plasma calibrated on Oct 13 and will have to have the DVD player plugged right into the set instead of through the Integra. Really not appreciating Onkyo, should never have switched from Denon. Yes, they have the best "bang for your buck" receivers and prepos out there, but God forbid you have an issue with the unit and it requires fixing or an update.

#$%& !@#$! #%@! Arrgh!
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post #1855 of 4168
9/18/08 at 6:27am
Thread Starter 
Refering to the recent answers by Onkyo I would consider the chance of getting a firmware update for the now discontinued model series xx5 as almost nonexistent. They have stated, that since the last update in May / April 08 nothing has happened and will not happen anymore because support has been halted with the release of the new models starting late spring.

Under this light I strongly doubt, that there ever was a firmware version 1.1x, as stated by joerod. His claims of testing a "beta" version of such a firmware seem to be unsubstantiated, to say the least.

You might like to read onwards from post
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14662077


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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

No reply to either of my emails as of yet. Someone must be looking at a new firmware given Joerod's claims about 1.10 (that it still was being worked on and should supposedly fix the issue). Unfortunately we'll never get a straight answer until the darn firmware is out, if it ever comes out.

Really peeved. Getting my Plasma calibrated on Oct 13 and will have to have the DVD player plugged right into the set instead of through the Integra. Really not appreciating Onkyo, should never have switched from Denon. Yes, they have the best "bang for your buck" receivers and prepos out there, but God forbid you have an issue with the unit and it requires fixing or an update.

#$%& !@#$! #%@! Arrgh!
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post #1856 of 4168
9/18/08 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

Under this light I strongly doubt, that there ever was a firmware version 1.1x, as stated by joerod. His claims of testing a "beta" version of such a firmware seem to be unsubstantiated, to say the least.

They're definitely unsubstantiated, but I don't understand why people assume he made it up. Is it impossible that Onkyo had a version that failed QA (or perhaps simply didn't complete QA) and then they dropped it to shift to another project? Why would the "joerod made it all up" scenario be more likely? Is there something I don't know such as a confirmed history of joerod lying about this sort of thing?
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post #1857 of 4168
9/18/08 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by jruser View Post

Confirmed. I just pulled out the SNES and tried it. The same problem happens over composite and S-Video. The N64 however works fine.

jruser,
Thanks for the confirmation - this means something in the SNES' output and its relationship with HDMI may be the culprit. I don't know enough about this to resolve the issue but maybe someone with an EE background and/or knowledge of the SNES schematic might! Time for some research (or I can be happy with the S-video monitor out...)
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post #1858 of 4168
9/18/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Rucker View Post

They're definitely unsubstantiated, but I don't understand why people assume he made it up. Is it impossible that Onkyo had a version that failed QA (or perhaps simply didn't complete QA) and then they dropped it to shift to another project? Why would the "joerod made it all up" scenario be more likely? Is there something I don't know such as a confirmed history of joerod lying about this sort of thing?

As far as I know, Joe does not make up stories, and I see no reason for him to start now
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post #1859 of 4168
9/18/08 at 12:08pm
Thread Starter 
I surely won't comment on whatever You would prefer to call this.

There is to much "boogaboo" surrounding this already without ever been validated and things are been blown quite out of proportion by now.
Once-in-a-while such situations (and the individuals involved) are becoming self purporting and carried away.
I certainly would not bother to comment on this, if this wasn't dragging on and on for some time now...
All sources, I repeat "all sources" questioned and contacted around the world wide user community (even some insiders based within Onkyo Japan), in the last 6 weeks or so, denied the existence of any new firmware being under development after introduction of the new generation models (we are talking about discontinued models here). Any further firmware development (call it "bug fixes") stopped in early spring and all efforts where concentrated and directed - for some time already - towards the new model generation.

Still one person was stating in mid summer, that he was testing a "beta" version of a new firmware, nobody else knew and knows of except him (a company outsider, as emphasized by himself).

Question: Why would a consumer electronics company from *Japan* single out a member of an US based Internet forum, a complete company outsider, as the one-and-only beta tester for a new worldwide firmware release (a very sensitive subject), who additionally - by his own statement - was to call "Customer Service" for communication on his findings. In several threads this individual had stated (at his proclaimed time of testing), that he no longer owned one of those units he was actually supposed to be testing the software (firmware 1.1x) on.

Plain common sense and some knowledge of how this is usually handled within the electronics industry makes this quite unlikely, too. To minimize cost, speed up development and find those bugs fast (time is money) this would be a homeland based task and everyone involved (company employees or associated specialists) usually stay in close contact with the designated programmers / developers - directly. Never, really never, is this been handled by CS, which don't know anything about this and would be counter productive. Usually they are the last ones been told . And I should know, because I have been working for more than a decade in this industry and in the area of software development as a senior software engineer and project manager.

Additionally: Why would a company like Onkyo go after an individual (by legal means), who reproduced (or pretended to do so) a well known programming interface, which has been publicized for general use by another company (supplier), if this has been officially documented elsewhere and been documented within those readily available service manuals (You can buy them from specialized suppliers) ? Those flash writer projects circulating in several threads here are based on the same basic schematics without those "authors" ever been bothered or approached by anyone.

Nothing fits the picture.

This is the world wide web and we all can be "Isaac Newtons" or "King of the Creole" if we like to because of the (relative) anonymity provided (me too ).

Sorry for offering such a (probably) unpopular view.
To much said already (my personal and subjective opinion) ... and ... I might be wrong ... but ...
Feel free to prove me wrong on this.

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Originally Posted by Rucker View Post

They're definitely unsubstantiated, but I don't understand why people assume he made it up. Is it impossible that Onkyo had a version that failed QA (or perhaps simply didn't complete QA) and then they dropped it to shift to another project? Why would the "xxxxx made it all up" scenario be more likely? Is there something I don't know such as a confirmed history of xxxxx lying about this sort of thing?
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9/18/08 at 2:10pm
Frankly, I think entirely too much is being made of this regardless of which side one finds oneself entrenched. I don't know Joe and can't (translate: won't) speculate one way or the other as to his motives. The questions asked are certainly valid, granted, and the speculation is understandable. But at this stage of the game, whether Joe is or isn't [fill in your adjective of choice] is irrelevant and beside the point. The focus should be on Onkyo and its piss-poor way of treating its early adopters--those of us who buy its new products and get left holding the bag with all the glitches and bugs due to said products being released before adequate QC is performed. (Heaven help the new '08 line owners who find new issues 6 months to a year from now; let's see how far they get in getting Onkyo to feel their pain.)

In the end, keeping all this drama going about whether Joe is or isn't this or that is tiresome and not very productive. Meanwhile, we have access to at least a modicum of support here in the way of the various firmware updates available in this thread and the help of some really great AVSers. There are still plenty of us out there who can benefit from this otherwise excellent resource, so perhaps its time to channel our attention in that direction while continuing to apply whatever heat we can on Onkyo proper. Just sayin'....
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