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post #121 of 161
Get back on topic guys...
post #122 of 161
The "final" trailer has been released:

post #123 of 161
So I saw this with my son. I had to because we read the book together. I would give it a B. There are lots of things really well done and there are lots of things that I am unhappy that are left out. I'm not sure whether its better to have read the book or not because there is a lot of compression and missing elements which I just add in my mind while watching and I don't know how someone who hasn't read the book will take it. The ending part which I won't give away is the most disappointing as to how it was executed and compressed but they got the idea. So they did pretty well on the meat of the story but didn't stick the landing. I don't know how it will play to the public because the nature of the show is so different from normal sci-fis. Can't go into details but will be interested in the thoughts of others as they see it.
post #124 of 161
Ender's Game has to be judged by what shows up on screen. And this is one of the contenders at the top of heap when it comes to a movies and computer game simulation. It is simply awesome and well worth seeing on as big a screen that one has around.
post #125 of 161
I really enjoyed this. Harrison Ford was scary good. Story at times felt a bit rushed but I do believe I will see it again. No I did not read the book , but I will now smile.gif
post #126 of 161
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I really enjoyed this. Harrison Ford was scary good. Story at times felt a bit rushed but I do believe I will see it again. No I did not read the book , but I will now smile.gif

Your post and other stuff I have read about Ender's Game have convinced me that it is a pretty good film I will try to see it next week. If I get it done I will report further.
post #127 of 161
I think I'll catch it tomorrow at 1:30. Retirement has it's perks....
post #128 of 161
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I think I'll catch it tomorrow at 1:30. Retirement has it's perks....

Amen, partner! I can't say yet whether I will see it tomorrow but whenever it is, it will be a matinee. Retirement does, indeed, have its perks. smile.gif
post #129 of 161
I saw it this weekend. At first I didn't know what to make of the trailer and the premise, honestly I wasn't much interested. But since I had a free ticket I decided to give it a try, in one of the 2 Atmos theaters in Montreal. First of all, a few words about the "technicalities": it was only the second atmos movie for me, the last time was the very disappointing Die Hard 5. Fortunately, with Ender's Game, the surround field was in many occasions quite busy and for the first time I was able to fully appreciate the Dolby Atmos "experience". The movie also looks beautiful. So I thought "if it sucks at least it will have looked and sounded perfect". Luckily, it didn't suck. It was actually very good and surpassed my expectations (which weren't really high in the first place I admit). Harrison Ford was, at long last, more convincing than usual. If he's to appear in the next Star Wars, hopefully he will be on the same mode, in other words the good acting mode smile.gif. Asa Butterfield was already very good in Hugo, and he didn't disappoint here either. As for the story, sometimes I thought more room could have been given to the characters themselves but having not read the book, I don't know if it was really missing or if they were just being faithful to the events as depicted in the novel. It's not that there wasn't enough character developement, it's simply me who would have liked a bit more between certain characters and their moral struggles. The film sets the tone for the upcoming sequel (is it planned as a trilogy?) and I ended up looking forward to Ender's remaining journey... So I don't care about the author's controversial reputation (I don't plan on reading the books either), the film was, for me, a good and very pleasant surprise. (oh and Steve Jablonsky's zimmerish score was a nice complement too) smile.gif
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post #130 of 161
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Amen, partner! I can't say yet whether I will see it tomorrow but whenever it is, it will be a matinee. Retirement does, indeed, have its perks. smile.gif

Just kick the rest of us in the cookies and get it over with why don'tcha! wink.gif
post #131 of 161
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Your post and other stuff I have read about Ender's Game have convinced me that it is a pretty good film I will try to see it next week. If I get it done I will report further.
can't wait to hear back from you.
post #132 of 161

Ender`s Game is one of the best books I had ever read. I hope film will be also cool :)

post #133 of 161
Just finished a very interesting piece on the Grantland site by Rany Jazayerli, entitled, Stranger in a Strange Land. It takes a surprisingly personal look at Orson Scott Card, the controversial author of the novel, Ender's Game, upon which the film of the same name is based. Highly recommended!
Edited by gwsat - 11/4/13 at 11:20am
post #134 of 161
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Just finished a very interesting piece on the Grantland site by Rany Jazayerli, entitled, Stranger in a Strange Land. It takes a surprisingly personal look at Orson Scott Card, the controversial author of the novel, Ender's Game, upon which the film of the same name is based. Highly recommended!

Thanks, excellent article. I can really relate to it. Reading Card's work leaves you thinking that this guy is tolerant and wise. I had no idea whatsoever until this business came out about the movie of Card's position. Frankly, I really don't care because none of the books have anything in them that I can ascribe to those feelings. To me, this business about Card is just an irrelevant sideshow.
post #135 of 161
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Just finished a very interesting piece on the Grantland site by Rany Jazayerli, entitled, Stranger in a Strange Land. It takes a surprisingly personal look at Orson Scott Card, the controversial author of the novel, Ender's Game, upon which the film of the same name is based. Highly recommended!
A good article, told from a unique voice.
However, it is apologetic regarding Card's douchebaggery.
The author "refuses to believe" the old Card is gone....
Lemme help him with that....you ARE what you are RIGHT NOW, not someone else in the past.

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Thanks, excellent article. I can really relate to it. Reading Card's work leaves you thinking that this guy is tolerant and wise. I had no idea whatsoever until this business came out about the movie of Card's position. Frankly, I really don't care because none of the books have anything in them that I can ascribe to those feelings. To me, this business about Card is just an irrelevant sideshow.
I'm kinda funny about that stuff....I refuse to knowingly give my $$$ or time to a$$holes.
post #136 of 161
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I'm kinda funny about that stuff....I refuse to knowingly give my $$$ or time to a$$holes.

I agree with you, but the persons involved in the film are different people with different agendas. smile.gif
post #137 of 161
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I'm kinda funny about that stuff....I refuse to knowingly give my $$$ or time to a$$holes.

I actually don't give a rip about most artists and assume most of them are a$$holes. Whether they are homophobic, drug fiends, pedophiles, misogynistic, a$$holiness or what-have-you.
I never want to meet the artists or care about them as people. I just enjoy some of their output.
As to the movie, it has nothing to do with Card's homophobic views, he's not getting paid anything for the movie (he already sold his rights) and the book along with some of the sequels are dang good. That's all I care about.
It would be different if it was supporting a specific agenda but it isn't. In fact, the ultimate message in the book and movie is tolerance of others.
post #138 of 161
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I actually don't give a rip about most artists and assume most of them are a$$holes. Whether they are homophobic, drug fiends, pedophiles, misogynistic, a$$holiness or what-have-you.
I never want to meet the artists or care about them as people. I just enjoy some of their output.
As to the movie, it has nothing to do with Card's homophobic views, he's not getting paid anything for the movie (he already sold his rights) and the book along with some of the sequels are dang good. That's all I care about.
It would be different if it was supporting a specific agenda but it isn't. In fact, the ultimate message in the book and movie is tolerance of others.
For me, at least, buying a ticket is a little like voting....it sends a message to the Powers-That-Be in Hollywood that OSC is a hot commodity and more of his books need to be optioned.wink.gif
post #139 of 161
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For me, at least, buying a ticket is a little like voting....it sends a message to the Powers-That-Be in Hollywood that OSC is a hot commodity and more of his books need to be optioned.wink.gif

I think I posted that a ticket is like a vote years ago here. I meant that you are voting for the type of film or show that you pay for rather than a vote for the author. Most people know very little about the authors. OSC made his money selling books. That ship has sailed.
post #140 of 161
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Thanks, excellent article. I can really relate to it. Reading Card's work leaves you thinking that this guy is tolerant and wise. I had no idea whatsoever until this business came out about the movie of Card's position. Frankly, I really don't care because none of the books have anything in them that I can ascribe to those feelings. To me, this business about Card is just an irrelevant sideshow.

I liked Ender's Game too but for some reason have not yet read the sequel, Speaker for the Dead, although I have it. I am going to try to read it in the near future, though, primarily because Rany Jazayerli wrote in his excellent Grantland piece that he thought it was a masterpiece, even better then Ender's Game.
post #141 of 161
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I liked Ender's Game too but for some reason have not yet read the sequel, Speaker for the Dead, although I have it. I am going to try to read it in the near future, though, primarily because Rany Jazayerli wrote in his excellent Grantland piece that he thought it was a masterpiece, even better then Ender's Game.

That's my opinion too and, like Mr. Jazayerli wrote, it is probably unfilmable.
post #142 of 161
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I actually don't give a rip about most artists and assume most of them are a$$holes. Whether they are homophobic, drug fiends, pedophiles, misogynistic, a$$holiness or what-have-you.

Wow. Why would you think that? I know I've seldom, if ever, heard of a high-profile author with the kind of reprehensible - and kooky, to use a word chosen by that Grantland piece author - views held by Card. Certainly, he's a anomaly in the sci-fi world. I think artists, in some cases, might have big egos, but that by itself doesn't make them bad people unless they do or believe bad things. In Card's case, his "background" (choosing that word carefully; don't want to ruffle feathers) probably has a great deal of influence in his thinking, as it seems to reflect a sort of "groupthink" common to that, um, group. They're certainly not shy about it; just ask them.
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As to the movie, it has nothing to do with Card's homophobic views, he's not getting paid anything for the movie (he already sold his rights) ....

He's listed as a producer, isn't he? He's not involved in the actual production of the movie, of course, but doesn't that mean he's getting some of the back-end profits?
post #143 of 161
Do you like most rock stars? Many have bed underaged girls. Will you listen to or buy any song produced by Phil Spector?

Here's a site about actors who are total jerks:

http://www.crushable.com/2013/10/06/entertainment/10-actors-total-jerks-set-according-reddit/

Will you watch their work?

Here are some more:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20560_5-beloved-celebrities-everyone-forgets-did-terrible-things.html

and more:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/12-celebrities-who-have-killed-people

OSC didn't kill anyone. He has stupid views that are probably religiously based. If I didn't care about offending people, I could go on a rant about stupid views that are religiously based.
Maybe I'm used to crazy ideas that (btw) was the normal prevailing views just a few years ago.
We still have politicians elected despite or because of anti-gay sentiments.
OSC's opinions in his real life don't matter to me. I don't give him any credence or moral high ground.
I just happen to like the books the guy wrote.
post #144 of 161
FWIW, I don't really consider movie stars or sci-fi writers to be "artists."
I think of them more as "entertainers" and there is a difference to my mind.

There has been plenty of entertainers who are a$$holes, which shouldn't be too surprising.
This guy is just one more of the countless schmucks who have crawled out from under the goo.
post #145 of 161
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Do you like most rock stars? Many have bed underaged girls. Will you listen to or buy any song produced by Phil Spector?

Here's a site about actors who are total jerks:

http://www.crushable.com/2013/10/06/entertainment/10-actors-total-jerks-set-according-reddit/

Will you watch their work?

Here are some more:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20560_5-beloved-celebrities-everyone-forgets-did-terrible-things.html

Yeah… "some" of them are, like you said, "a$$holes". Not "most" of them. Putting all of them, artists, in the same mold is hyperbolic and reductive. Actors wouldn't be actors if they had a tiny restraint ego, it's because they have an enormous ego and an equally enormous need of recognition that they can be actors.


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post #146 of 161
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FWIW, I don't really consider movie stars or sci-fi writers to be "artists."

Some of them are.
post #147 of 161
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I liked Ender's Game too but for some reason have not yet read the sequel, Speaker for the Dead, although I have it. I am going to try to read it in the near future, though, primarily because Rany Jazayerli wrote in his excellent Grantland piece that he thought it was a masterpiece, even better then Ender's Game.

I haven't read Speaker For the Dead either but I just loaded it onto my Kindle.

I did make the 1:30 showing today. The closest Atmos theater to me is over 50 miles away in San Francisco. Between the price of a ticket, the gas, $6 bridge toll, and probably $20 parking I elected to see it locally in a THX DD 7.1 theater for $6.50. I was actually unimpressed with the audio and the video from the DLP digital projector seemed a bit muddy but I liked the film, a lot!
post #148 of 161
Although I doubt it's true, this one made me laugh:

"Paz De La Huerta was fired from Boardwalk Empire because during a nude scene her tampon string was showing. She was told to hide it or get rid of it, she pulled it out in front of the crew and threw it on the floor, then told a PA to pick it up, which was the end of her. True friggin story.”


Didn't know about the Laura Bush kill...

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OSC didn't kill anyone. He has stupid views that are probably religiously based. If I didn't care about offending people, I could go on a rant about stupid views that are religiously based.
Maybe I'm used to crazy ideas that (btw) was the normal prevailing views just a few years ago.
We still have politicians elected despite or because of anti-gay sentiments.
I too could go on a long, VERY LONG rant on this subject, but it would be deleted and piss a lot guys off.tongue.gif
Boy, do I like being retired....biggrin.gif
post #149 of 161
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Although I doubt it's true, this one made me laugh:

"Paz De La Huerta was fired from Boardwalk Empire because during a nude scene her tampon string was showing. She was told to hide it or get rid of it, she pulled it out in front of the crew and threw it on the floor, then told a PA to pick it up, which was the end of her. True friggin story.”

It's up for sale on ebay...wink.gif
post #150 of 161
If I gave a damn about the personal, moral, or other shortcomings of any artist (yes, in my opinion novelists are artists, regardless of their genre) I would not see or read a healthy percentage of the stuff I do see and read. Think, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Alec Baldwin, and a bunch of other talented people whose personal lives are a hell of a lot less laudable than their work.
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