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post #61 of 161
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

They just filmed "The Hunger Games", which also features kid-on-kid violence, and was structured & edited to get a PG-13. I suspect they'll follow a similar template here.

There's really not that much violence, 3 scenes where Ender responds with preemptive strikes to sort out dangerous bullying. All of which were engineered or at least allowed to happen by his teachers. Two of which were fatal, but Ender was shielded from this information (though he knows deep down). The rationale being that if he's "the One", he must defeat every challenge regardless of the damage or consequences. The fact that a large part of his gifted strategic genius is his ability to empathize with his enemy makes his trials semi-tragic.

Anyway, I see no need to utilize shakycam for 3 quick scenes where the drama and tension are in Ender's head...the action once he makes his decision is over in a heartbeat.
post #62 of 161
I have never even heard of this thing. No clue what it is about.
post #63 of 161
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

I have never even heard of this thing. No clue what it is about.

It's a very good book that's about to have a watered down movie made about it.
post #64 of 161
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

I have never even heard of this thing. No clue what it is about.

It's a quick read, Matt. Worth it. A sci-fi classic. Afterwords, besides feeling that way, you'll also wonder how the heck they'll make a decent movie out of it. Difficult job.

We may all be pleasantly surprised. Or not.
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post #66 of 161
In case anyone is interested, the audiobooks of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow include long monologues by OSC where in addition to several other topics, he spends a lot of time talking about trying to get the movie made. For instance, he talks about how one party tried to slip language into the contract that would have allowed them to cast Ender as any age they wanted and how he stopped negotiating with that party because of it. He also talks a lot about the difficulties of turning Ender's Game into a movie script especially because most of it happens in Ender's head and how he finally decided that since Hollywood "is good at making buddy movies", the way to do it would be to basically meld Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow into one film so that Ender's internal dialog could be rewritten as dialog between Ender and Bean.
post #67 of 161
Good point! I had forgotten about listening to that. Apparently a lot of my concerns were not actually my own to begin with after all smile.gif
post #68 of 161
Never read the book, but am looking forward to the movie.smile.gif
post #69 of 161
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Never read the book, but am looking forward to the movie.smile.gif
"[The author, Orsen Scott Card] also talks a lot about the difficulties of turning Ender's Game into a movie script especially because most of it happens in Ender's head and how he finally decided that since Hollywood "is good at making buddy movies", the way to do it would be to basically meld Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow into one film so that Ender's internal dialog could be rewritten as dialog between Ender and Bean."

That's reason enough to read the book, which I always thought would be a challenge to film because of the way it's written. Looks like the movie will be fundamentally different from that standpoint. It's a pretty quick read; I recommend it. smile.gif
post #70 of 161
The thing that concerns me about the movie is changing the ages of the kids so much it tones down the level of the violence.

What's shocking when you have a bunch 6yr olds trying to kill each other, might not be so shocking when you have a bunch of 15yr olds (played by 21yr olds) doing the same.
post #71 of 161
^^^ which pretty much neuters a point that Card was making.
post #72 of 161
I think you have to pick your poison. Either stay true to the material, and possibly end up with a bunch of bad kid actors (or even a few) that ruin the movie, or stray a bit and pick older actors that can give better performances (we hope). Personally, I would rather see older actors that do a better job compared to a child actor giving a bad performance that makes me uncomfortable watching (think young Anakin).
Edited by J_P_A - 3/26/13 at 8:39am
post #73 of 161
I don't buy it. This is just a way to market the movie towards the Twilight/Hunger Games set. They've said as much already.
post #74 of 161
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

"[The author, Orsen Scott Card] also talks a lot about the difficulties of turning Ender's Game into a movie script especially because most of it happens in Ender's head and how he finally decided that since Hollywood "is good at making buddy movies", the way to do it would be to basically meld Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow into one film so that Ender's internal dialog could be rewritten as dialog between Ender and Bean."

That's reason enough to read the book, which I always thought would be a challenge to film because of the way it's written. Looks like the movie will be fundamentally different from that standpoint. It's a pretty quick read; I recommend it. smile.gif

Which is why I thought this movie was best made animated.
post #75 of 161
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

The thing that concerns me about the movie is changing the ages of the kids so much it tones down the level of the violence.

What's shocking when you have a bunch 6yr olds trying to kill each other, might not be so shocking when you have a bunch of 15yr olds (played by 21yr olds) doing the same.

Asa Butterfield (Ender) will be 16 next week. The majority of the young actors are 18 and less....
post #76 of 161
The Hunger Games In Space!!!
post #77 of 161
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

It's a pretty quick read; I recommend it. smile.gif
OK, I'll pick up a copy today.wink.gif
post #78 of 161
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

In case anyone is interested, the audiobooks of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow include long monologues by OSC where in addition to several other topics, he spends a lot of time talking about trying to get the movie made. For instance, he talks about how one party tried to slip language into the contract that would have allowed them to cast Ender as any age they wanted and how he stopped negotiating with that party because of it. He also talks a lot about the difficulties of turning Ender's Game into a movie script especially because most of it happens in Ender's head and how he finally decided that since Hollywood "is good at making buddy movies", the way to do it would be to basically meld Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow into one film so that Ender's internal dialog could be rewritten as dialog between Ender and Bean.

Plus, he wouldn't budge on requiring that the movie add a plot twist where we learn that all of the evil aliens are homosexual, and that they only start the war with Earth so that they can ruin the sanctity of our marriages.
post #79 of 161
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Plus, he wouldn't budge on requiring that the movie add a plot twist where we learn that all of the evil aliens are homosexual, and that they only start the war with Earth so that they can ruin the sanctity of our marriages.
Good God....FRICKIN' ALIENS!!!eek.gif
post #80 of 161
You rang? smile.gif
post #81 of 161
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

You rang? smile.gif
You're not foolin' anyone, you rebel alien scum!
We KNOW you are behind it all....tongue.gif
post #82 of 161
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Never read the book, but am looking forward to the movie.smile.gif

Another thing that OSC said in the aftward of the audiobooks, is that the new audiobooks are the best format for his work, better than movies and better than book itself because he considers himself more of a "empty stage playwright" than a novelist and thus the material is perfect for audiobooks. So I'd suggest getting the audiobooks.
post #83 of 161
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

Another thing that OSC said in the aftward of the audiobooks, is that the new audiobooks are the best format for his work, better than movies and better than book itself because he considers himself more of a "empty stage playwright" than a novelist and thus the material is perfect for audiobooks. So I'd suggest getting the audiobooks.

Who narrated Ender? Did he sound like a little kid?
post #84 of 161
^^^ Actually it was a cast, not a single narrator. The entire cast seemed to be adults, although it's hard to tell with the women.

I think the age issue is less distracting in the audiobook than it will be in a movie. Since all the lead parts, Ender, Valentine, Bean and Peter are mentally well above their age average, it's not really that distracting to hear an older voice speaking the part. At least not as distracting as seeing a 16yo Ender with a love interest, which is what the studios wanted to do to draw the teenage date crowd.

And a lot of the book is Ender's internal dialog, so it doesn't seem that strange that it's not in a child's voice. Ender barely has any dialog at all in the book, but if they do what OSC recommended and turn Ender's internal dialog into external dialog with Bean, then having children's voices will be more important.
post #85 of 161
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Plus, he wouldn't budge on requiring that the movie add a plot twist where we learn that all of the evil aliens are homosexual, and that they only start the war with Earth so that they can ruin the sanctity of our marriages.

And I thought they were called "Buggers" because they were bug like. (Slaps head)
post #86 of 161
To tell the truth, I gave up on the Ender books about #4, and I didn't even think that they were OSC's best series, as I prefer the Alvin the Maker series over Ender. Yet OSC's best works IMHO are his standalone books such as the horror novel The Lost Boys and the SF masterpiece The Abyss, the latter being based on a James Cameron movie script.

Ender's Game is fairly decent, although I'll have to say that the very best version is the original short story from the late 1970's. But if a decent film results from a decent book, I'll be surprised.
post #87 of 161
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

OK, I'll pick up a copy today.wink.gif
Dang, my Used Book Store doesn't have any copies.
I was told OSC books have been flying off the shelves recently, probably because of this upcoming movie.wink.gif
post #88 of 161
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

To tell the truth, I gave up on the Ender books about #4,

I gave up on the Ender books with the stupid "Speaker for the Dead" epilogue at the end of the first book. I hope the movie producers have the good sense to end the movie where the novel originally ended before Card revised it to tie in with his sequels.
post #89 of 161
I didn't read any of the subsequent books either. Apparently Ender's Shadow is pretty good, but after the epilogue I wasn't interested. When I recommend Ender's Game to someone, I tell them to skip the epilogue all-together. Just my opinion of course.
post #90 of 161
I'm the same. I recommend the first book, and that's it. Rarely are sequels qualitatively equal to the original work because by then the author isn't working from inspiration, he's working for a guaranteed paycheck.
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