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Success! - Control an RCA DTA800B CECB DTV Converter box with ReplayTV 3000

post #1 of 66
Thread Starter 
Updated June 6th to include codes for both the RCA DTA800B and the DigitalStream DTX-9950.

Quick post to help others in a similar situation of needing to set up a CECB to be controled by a ReplayTV 3000 (Read subsequent posts by others to assist in setting up for other versions of the Replay that use different codes)

RCA Summary: Use IR blaster code 392, 533 or 5392 to control the it from the Replay!

DigitalStream Summary: Use IR blaster code 749, 819, 899, 8749 or 9749 to control it from the Replay!

Details:
Since I don't get locals with my DishNetwork package and the local analogs have always been less than perfect, I wanted to see what CECB's could be controled by the ReplayTV and have the locals integrated into the program guide somehow.

My situation: My replay had 2 of the 3 inputs used. RF for analog NTSC for locals, Line 2 for S-Video fed DishNetwork (no locals). Line 1 was unsed.

Basically to get it to work, I told the Replay that on the Line1 input I had a DirectTV (Local) box. I picked a prenamed box but it didn't work, so I manually configured the IR code.

For the RCA, I found that codes 392, 533 and 5392 all would turn it on or off during the setup menu. I left it at 5392 for the rest of my setup, so I don't know if 392 or 533 work better or worse.

For the DigitalStream, I found that codes 749, 819, 899, 8749 and 9749 all would turn it on or off during the setup menu. I left it at 9749 for the rest of my setup, so I don't know if the others work better or worse.

Then after the Replay downloaded the new channels, it placed them all at 1000 through 2000. I deleted everything other than my locals in that range.

All of my primary locals were already mapped to the correct channels. So selecting 1004 blasted 04 to the CECB causing it to switch to 04-1, and the Replay correctly switches to that input. Likewise 1015 sent 15 to the CECB switching it to 15-1. The guide lined up prefectly for the primary stations.

Of course, I have no ability to select the other sub-channels like 6-2, 6-3, 13-2, 13-3, since there is no mapping to a - button from the Replay, or anything that would have that encoded into guide information anyway.

Hope this helps everyone! Post to the thread with questions.

PS: I do not know what "brand" these IR codes actually relate to on the Replay. Does anyone have that info? Also I haven't yet tried to control the boxes directly using the CATV/VCR button mapping on the Replay remote either. I would assume this will be easy to set up.

Differences between the 2 boxes: The RCA was much faster to respond to selecting a new channel (within 1 second of the Replay switching to that input) than the DigitalStream which took about 4 seconds).
post #2 of 66
Directv local would probably be a better choice to use as a provider since if they do locals in your market the guide data for the main channel would be layed out correctly.

As far as selecting channels like 6-2, etc, if you set up a manual record for that input and set it to tune to 0062 for instance, the ir blaster will send 062 to the rca which will tune to 06-2. I was able to do this when I was testing out my unit which I identified to showstopper as a RCA directv receiver model dtc-100 or drd432.
post #3 of 66
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Directv local would probably be a better choice to use as a provider since if they do locals in your market the guide data for the main channel would be layed out correctly.

Does Directv actually place your locals on their real channel addresses on their receivers?

I know Dish does not.. Dish assigns my locals in the channel 74xx block (7412 .. 7420), so assume the receiver would be blasted those numbers from the Replay, which then maps the locals into the 700 or 800 range depending on what's open when it sets up the guide initially.

If Direct does directly address them then that would work. I will play with the various providers and see if I can find one that has it. It would be nice if one mapped the digital sub channels with correct guide info as well, but I'd be surprised, plus we don't really watch the sub channels other than 1 (CW). We get CW, Weather, PBS-SD, PBS-XP/MN for a total of 4 sub channels other than the -1's.
post #4 of 66
Yes they are on the right channels if you select directv local instead of directv national same goes for dish.
post #5 of 66
Thread Starter 
Thanks satpro! Worked like a charm. Unfortunately downloading the program guide data takes forever using this option, since it pulls down almost 1000 channels vs the 70 I was getting before. BUT it now has my primary locals mapped correctly.

I updated the original post to reflect this.
post #6 of 66
Once you have caught up and downloaded the 8 days the nightly update shouldn't take much longer than normal.
post #7 of 66
Now if/when directv HD (local) adds sub channels to the guide data lineup you would get them mapped out to.
post #8 of 66
Thank you Replay3030Owner for your useful post. I got similar, but not identical results with my SonicBlue-branded ReplayTV 5080. I run the three-component "Progressive" outputs of the ReplayTV to a Sony 720i flatscreen.

Because not all Walmarts carry the RCA DTA800B, I bought one on the web from freedtvshop.com, which allowed me to use my $40 government coupon for the web purchase. Shipping was reasonable, and very fast. The website looked a little suspicious (that's an opinion, not an actual criticism of the company), but I was able to pay with PayPal, which seemed safe to me.

We have a chimney-mounted RadioShack OTA antenna that we've been using for analog TV. I already had a four-output DA in the basement to supply each component with the strongest possible signal. Now that we have a TV with a digital tuner, we get more OTA channels and plenty of HD programming-25 miles from New York City.

I followed your Local-DirecTV receiver setup plan for the RTV5080. (In my case, perhaps because the RTV has my zip code in it, it was called "DTV/New York".) However, blaster code 392 (which the RTV notes as serving receivers DRD222RD, DRD480RE, DRD515RB, DS412RE, and DTC100) did not turn on my DTA800B. Most of the other Replay-suggested codes didn't work either. But the very last IR code listed by the RTV, 7911A (but not 7911) worked. This has a note that it's for an UltimateTV receiver box. I also tried DirecTV/National, but it didn't really work, and I reset the RTV to DirecTV/New York.

It only took a few minutes to download the new program data from my AT&T DSL connection. I noticed that the existing record programs were "translated" to channels like 1002 from the previous channel 2. So I re-created all the standing recording instructions. The ReplayTV correctly tunes the RCA to subchannel -1 as wanted.

I have no audio complaints, but there's still a minor issue on video. Two of what I think of as the local channels (WNYW-5 and WPIX-11) have a flickering, segmented white line at the top of their live and Replay-recorded pictures. It looks like underscan or digital title data, but I'm guessing. I've just switched the DTA800B from "Widescreen" to "Fullscreen" mode in the hope of improving this. It may produce clipped images, however.

I get the impression that the ReplayTV is not going to turn on the RCA when the Replay is powered up. So I have turned off the auto power shutoff of the RCA box. I'm tempted to remove the RCA's cover and drill some more ventilation holes in it.
post #9 of 66
Thread Starter 
The flickering line is evident on two stations on my RCA as well. This is technically not a problem with the box (though they could do something to mask it). From what I've read over on the DTV tuner forum is that this line is program guide data for analog signals, and that it's actually your local station not blanking that particular line before sending it out over the DTV signal.

Since all analog sets overscan it's not seen on the analog set since it's drawn off-screen. But once the station (improperly) converts it to a digital image and it ends up being letter boxed or postage stamp boxed (depending on aspect ratio) with black above it, this now can be seen on any analog set since it's not overscanned.

So it's a combination of:
- Altered NTSC signal to send TV Guide data over a certain scan line
- Location station not masking the line from being converted to digital
- Local station not sending signal out that it's a 4:3 SD image instead sending it as 16:9 but only filling the center
- Receiver box getting improper info about source and thus rendering it as if it was 16:9 to letter boxed 4:3 analog output


Hope that makes sense. Complain to those stations that have it.
post #10 of 66
I found that code 0566 works on my ReplayTV 4500 series. Using CaptureIR, I figured out that is "RCA" protocol on device "7".
I used DISH local (Los Angeles) and made sure I removed the 100's of non-terrestrial channels.

The DTA-800B is available at Walmart
walmart . C0M/ catalog/product.do?product_id=8343230
post #11 of 66
Here are the steps I did:

The DTA box: RCA DTA-800B

Connect RCA DTA-800B composite video and audio output to ReplayTV input 1

On ReplayTV in "Menu" \\ "Setup" \\ "Network and Input Settings" \\
"Change IN 1":
choose "Satellite box"
choose "DISH Los Angeles" (or your metro area or DirecTV local seems to work - national will not give local stations)
Satellite Box brand": Other
On "available Code Sets" press the "Replay Zones" button.
change "Enable Fine Tuning" to "Yes"
Codeset: "0566" use the number keys on the remote to type the 4 numbers
Send Enter: yes
Minimum digits to send: 1
All the delays should be: 200ms

Change ANT/CATV should be changed to "Nothing Connected" (to prevent this new connection from have channels with 1000 added to them)

Then "keep all changes"
It will then download data for a few minutes.


On ReplayTV in "Menu" \\ "Setup" \\ "Add or Remove Channels"
make sure to delete the 100s of non-terrestrial channels so that only your local channels are displayed (and recorded)

Install the REPLAYTV IR Blaster cable and stick the transmitter right
over the DTA-800B IR Receiver. (Just to the left of the IR letters on the front panel
post #12 of 66
Just got the RCA box at Walmart. Thanks for the codes guys, but none seems to work for me. On the other hand, I haven't been using the IR blaster for years now. It may be defective. Is there way to do a diagnostic check to see if it's the cable or the port that is defective?
post #13 of 66
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Originally Posted by Darkside View Post

Just got the RCA box at Walmart. Thanks for the codes guys, but none seems to work for me. On the other hand, I haven't been using the IR blaster for years now. It may be defective. Is there way to do a diagnostic check to see if it's the cable or the port that is defective?

The best diagnostic I know of is to get another IR Blaster cable and try it.
post #14 of 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post

Just got the RCA box at Walmart. Thanks for the codes guys, but none seems to work for me. On the other hand, I haven't been using the IR blaster for years now. It may be defective. Is there way to do a diagnostic check to see if it's the cable or the port that is defective?

What model ReplayTV do you have that is not responding?
Thanks
post #15 of 66
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post

Just got the RCA box at Walmart. Thanks for the codes guys, but none seems to work for me. On the other hand, I haven't been using the IR blaster for years now. It may be defective. Is there way to do a diagnostic check to see if it's the cable or the port that is defective?

To see if it's sending any signal at all, point the IR blaster ends towards a digital camera or camcorder with a LCD or CRT based preview screen (not a direct glass viewfinder)

The IR frequency will be converted to a visible light seen on the preview screen -- any remote control will do this. If you can see flashes from a remote control but not from the IR blaster when it's being pulsed from the Replay Setup menu/changing channels, then it could be defective, if you've ruled out the obvious of not having it connected to the back of the unit, not configuring the Replay correctly, etc...
post #16 of 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replay3030Owner View Post

To see if it's sending any signal at all, point the IR blaster ends towards a digital camera or camcorder with a LCD or CRT based preview screen (not a direct glass viewfinder)

The IR frequency will be converted to a visible light seen on the preview screen -- any remote control will do this. If you can see flashes from a remote control but not from the IR blaster when it's being pulsed from the Replay Setup menu/changing channels, then it could be defective, if you've ruled out the obvious of not having it connected to the back of the unit, not configuring the Replay correctly, etc...

Great suggestion Replay3030. I used a digital camera and I can see my remotes send out signals, but not the IR blaster during channel changes. This means the either the IR blaster is defective or the port behind the unit is not sending out any signals to the blaster.

Can I just cut one of the IR blaster ends and place a voltmeter/ohm meter to it to see if the port actually send any signals out?

Sorry for the off-topic, but I just want to be able to control my new RCA DTA800B. Thanks for the help guys.
post #17 of 66
IR Remote's are not very expensive. E-Bay always has a bunch.
post #18 of 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post

Great suggestion Replay3030. I used a digital camera and I can see my remotes send out signals, but not the IR blaster during channel changes. This means the either the IR blaster is defective or the port behind the unit is not sending out any signals to the blaster.

Can I just cut one of the IR blaster ends and place a voltmeter/ohm meter to it to see if the port actually send any signals out?

Sorry for the off-topic, but I just want to be able to control my new RCA DTA800B. Thanks for the help guys.

MAY NOT BE BAD BLASTER
Using Fuji camera, could visulize IR from most remotes but not Sharp or untested blasters which came with ReplayTV 5040 10 years ago too. I don't have the foggiest idea as to why this may be.
post #19 of 66
Got a new IR Blaster today and it worked with code 7911. Thanks for all the help guys.
post #20 of 66
Update:

This is what I did to my RCA DTA 800B with 4500 series. I live in Fresno, so my instructions are going to be a bit different from kirin's.

Connect the RCA's composite cables to line 1 input of the Replay.
On the Replay:
Press Menu, Setup, Network and Input Settings, Change IN 1, Satellite box, DISH Fresno, Continue when ready, Choose code 7911.

Remove all unwanted channels in "add or remove channels"


Problem: The Replay is able to tune (blast) the RCA to the correct channels but one - channel 61. It also can't blast 53, because 53 is actually channel 7.1. Is there a way to remap this channel to 7? Otherwise, I'd have to bypass this problem with a manual record.
post #21 of 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post

Problem: The Replay is able to tune (blast) the RCA to the correct channels but one - channel 61. It also can't blast 53, because 53 is actually channel 7.1. Is there a way to remap this channel to 7? Otherwise, I'd have to bypass this problem with a manual record.

You can remmap using WiRNS. That will also give you access to subchannels. Also, using WiRNS you can use a local channel lineup as a satellite lineup so as to use the satellite IR codes but only have the local channels in the lineup...

Henry
post #22 of 66
Is there a list of coupon eligible DTV converter boxes that work with the IR Blaster on ReplayTV 3000/4000/5000 series other than the RCA converter?

If not, can we start one?



Sorry guys, just found this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008500
post #23 of 66
Because of ReplayTV control, my DTA800B has had the Auto-Power-Off feature turned off. But after about two weeks of use, I discovered (upon watching a Replay-recorded show) that although the video was tuned and recorded correctly, there was no sound (and no hiss or noise) at all on the Replay recording. Upon viewing Live TV through the Replay, I found that the DTA800B had lost all audio output - no sound.

One cycling of the RCA's power button restored audio output. I hope this will not be a continuing problem. I doubt that I can return the unit because I made many additional ventilation holes in the case because it's on continuously! It does run a little cooler in the vertical postion, even though this puts the power supply at the bottom.
post #24 of 66
I believe that is a known issue with the RCA DTA800 models.
post #25 of 66
SUCCESS with a Replay TV 5040 controlled by an RCA DTA-800 using code 7911 purchased 5-19-08 at Walmart with downloaded programing for Seattle DirectTV on input 1 with RCA cables. The stock IR blaster had 2 emitters in series but I removed one and shorted the leads Xmas light fashion. The emitter is half over the converter's IR receptor and the remote works too. A Radio Shack infrared LED cabled to a mini-jack pluged into the back of the ReplayTV also works as a blaster (276-0143). I deleted about 1000 channels to expedite programing (I didn't know they had that stuff on TV).
post #26 of 66
Hi everyone, I am new to the AVS Forum. I have a ReplayTV 5060. I've read with interest at how some converter boxes can be controlled by the ReplayTV remote. However, since the DTV converter box controls what station is being received, I assume DVRs like ReplayTV or Tivo can no longer record shows from multiple channels if the converter box is only tuned to one channel. Is my assumption correct? I also assume that this applys to any other recorders like a an old analog VCR.

As an example, if the converter box is tuned to Channel 2 and either a VCR or DVR such as ReplayTV is set to record Channels 2, 5, 7, 9 at various different times, only the show on Channel 2 will be recorded and the others will have no signal.

Also, there was a lot of mention of IR or IR Blaster. I have never used this and don't know if the only way to get the ReplayTV remote and unit to recognize the new digital stations is to use this feature. Does that mean I have to buy some sort of IR cable or does IR mean that the DTV converter box can communicate with my ReplayTV Sonic Blue 5060 using InfraRed?

Please note that I do not have Cable or Satellite so I will only be receiving/watching on-air digital broadcasts. I don't know if some posts on this thread only applys to users with DirectTV Satellite.

Please let me know your thoughts. Apologies if this question has been answered in previous threads (have not been able to find this topic).
post #27 of 66
This thread is not about using the ReplayTV remote to control the DTV converter box, nor is it about satellite boxes.

It is about using the IR Blaster (which should have come with your 5060) to control the DTV box (for receiving over the air digital TV) so that the ReplayTV can automatically change the channel on the DTV box when it needs to record a show on a different channel.

So far, of the available DTV boxes, the RCA model has been proven to work with existing codes used by the ReplayTV's IR blaster.

In addition to the instructions in this thread, your ReplayTV manual should also explain how to use the IR blaster with an external tuner box.

The setup is a little tricky with DTV boxes since they have subchannels and the RTV does not know about them, which is why using DirectTV program listings and WiRNS is discussed in this thread to attempt to overcome that problem.
post #28 of 66
Thanks Space. It is good to know that RTV's IR Blaster CAN control changing channels on a DTV (specifically the RCA) converter box's channels to allow RTV's programmed show recordings to switch the converter box to the right channel. I will have to read this entire thread carefully (and buy and RCA box) to replicate this. I also have to look for the IR Blaster on my old RTV box. Thanks for clarifying (and for the good news that my RTV does not become obsolete in Feb 2009.

P.S. Since I don't have DirectTV, only RTV receiving over-the-air broadcasts, I can't take advantage of subchannels if I require WiRNS and DirectTV. This is an acceptable compromise/limitation since subchannels do not exist in today's analog broadcast.

P.S.S. I just checked Walmart's website for the RCA Digital TV Converter Box, DTA800 and it says "Not Sold Online" and "Not Sold in Stores". The FreeDTVShop.com site lists the RCA DTA800B as backordered and coupons can't be used on backordered items. It is also priced at $64.99 whereas Walmart's website lists theirs (albeit unavailable) for $49.87. Anyone have any ideas where I can get the RCA DTA800B since it is has been proven to work with an RTV recorder?

Finally, I just saw someone refer to the RCA DTA800 as an "A" or "B". Does anyone know the difference between the DTA800, DTA800A and DTA 800B? Thanks!
post #29 of 66
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Originally Posted by bubbadubba View Post

P.S. Since I don't have DirectTV, only RTV receiving over-the-air broadcasts, I can't take advantage of subchannels if I require WiRNS and DirectTV. This is an acceptable compromise/limitation since subchannels do not exist in today's analog broadcast.

It has nothing to do with DirecTV. The problem is that there aren't any lineups for the DTV box. So, people have been using the DirecTV lineup just to get the a way to get the OTA lineup and deleting the DirecTV lineup. The Replay has no idea what your video source is, you tell it whatever you want to tell it and it uses that lineup. Just like you can go to Zap2It.com and select any video provider you want regardless of if you actually have them connected to your TVs or not. So, selecting DirecTV is just a means to getting the OTA lineup, nothing more, and has nothing to do with actually having DirecTV or not...

Adding WiRNS gives two advantages, one, to only have the lineup of the OTA channels picking any video provider that you want, and, two, allowing you to program the subchannels as well. If you can find a Replay lineup that provides subchannels (has an extra digit in the channel numbers), then you don't need WiRNS and can just program everything through the Replay. But, since it is unlikely that you will find that, then WiRNS has the capability to add the extra digit to the channel numbers so that you can tune the subchannels as well...

Henry
post #30 of 66
The Channel Master CECB that's out now might also work with it. It uses an old Pioneer cable box code which is widely available in most IR blaster and remote control databases.


The Zenith also apparently uses an LG DirecTV satellite box code which can be found in some units, but not all. Check and see if your RTV code list has any of those specifically listed.
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