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post #511 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:25am
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post #512 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:27am
Hello, PLEASE HELP!

I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Sony STRDG810 receiver. Up until now, I have been able to get 5.1 channel PCM sound, DD+ 5.1 sound, DTS 5.1 sound, etc. (i have a 5.1 speaker setup).

But of course not DTS-MA, because until update 2.3 the PS3 didn't support it. When i'd play a DTS-MA track, i'd get the "core" DTS sound at 1.5 mbps.

ANYWAY, today i downloaded the 2.3 update from the Sony website to a USB memory stick, and uploaded it to my PS3. All went smoothly, and at the end of the process i checked my "system settings", which indeed showed that i now have 2.3.

BUT, here's the problem: I've tried a number of discs that have DTS-MA, and while the PS3 DISPLAY says i'm getting Lossless sound (between 3.5 and 5.0 mbps), i am only GETTING SOUND out of 3 speakers, the two front speakers, and the sub.

I am getting NO SOUND AT ALL from the center speaker or the left and right surround speakers.

What's worse, this doesn't just apply when i try to listen to a DTS-MA track. The SAME thing is happening when i try to listen to a DD 5.1 or regular DTS 5.1 track as well: No sound coming out of the center or two back surround speakers.

In all cases, the indicator lights on the front of the receiver show only the two front speakers and sub "lit up", indicating that they are in use.

The problem is NOT with the receiver per se, because i also have an HD-DVD player connected to it via HDMI and i've tried a number of HD-DVD discs and am getting the usual 5.1 sound out of them. My receiver test-tone also outputs sound thru all 6 speakers.

Pardon my french, but WHAT THE %@&!& is going on with my PS3?

Am i so frustrated that i am missing something obvious, like a PS3 setting?

Any help would be appreciated ...
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post #513 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by dabrit View Post

You are so wrong, yes technically it should be the same thing, but the PS3 seems to miss information when decoding, just try setting your PS3 to bitstream and watching a movie with Dolby Digital, now set your PS3 to Linear PCM and tell me what sounds better, to me it's a no brainer, bitstream sounds superior.

yeah i agree with you when i put my ps3 to bitsream for dolby digital only (cause it can't bitsream dd true hd) it sound better and louder then when i set on pcm and let the ps3 decode the dolby digital

its better when the receiver decode then ps3
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post #514 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by bbfn11 View Post

I can reiderate my experience by saying that I can hear a better clearer louder sound using DTS-MA on LPCM optical out which I hear out of all my 5.1 speakers than bitstream which I also hear out of all my 5.1 speakers. In LPCM it shows PLII movie on my Z 5500, in Bitstream it shows dts Digital. Both play in 5.1 surround. Does this make sense to anyone?

it's a personal preference I think. you're getting lossless 2 channel audio and matrixing it to 5.1 channels. while the audio might sound "cleaner" i personally don't think it's worth the loss of true 5.1 discreet audio. with 5.1 discreet channels the film mixer is able able to recreate a more natural sound using the surrounds and center channel making it feel like you're right in the action. matrixing does a fair job, but not as good as the real thing. just my 2 cents.
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post #515 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by iceperson View Post

it's a personal preference I think. you're getting lossless 2 channel audio and matrixing it to 5.1 channels. while the audio might sound "cleaner" i personally don't think it's worth the loss of true 5.1 discreet audio. with 5.1 discreet channels the film mixer is able able to recreate a more natural sound using the surrounds and center channel making it feel like you're right in the action. matrixing does a fair job, but not as good as the real thing. just my 2 cents.

Got it, thanks!
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post #516 of 1583
4/15/08 at 11:57am
I wonder if Sony's sales of the PS3 have spiked in the past month?

I downloaded the update last night flawlessly. Now I just need a movie to try DTS-HD Master sound.

I have Die Hard 4 on order.
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post #517 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by LicenseToKill View Post

"Much of a difference" compared to what? Dolby TrueHD? Lossless LPCM? If so, then there should be no difference at all.

dolby digital

i thought it might be a drastic change like going from prologic to dolby digital. that to me was worth an upgrade. dts-ma is very disapointing to me.
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post #518 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:09pm
Can somone tell me what setting on the HDMI out is correct.
When i set it to Bitstream only DTS and DD are displaying and my DENON Receiver knows it.
When i set it to PCM DTS HD and Dolby True play but my receiver says MULTI Cha in.
On my XA2 it used to say Dolby True HD Onthe receiver.
Whats the correct setting and ultimately whats the problem?.
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post #519 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by gandolf11763 View Post

Can somone tell me what setting on the HDMI out is correct.
When i set it to Bitstream only DTS and DD are displaying and my DENON Receiver knows it.
When i set it to PCM DTS HD and Dolby True play but my receiver says MULTI Cha in.
On my XA2 it used to say Dolby True HD Onthe receiver.
Whats the correct setting and ultimately whats the problem?.

Yeah your receiver will say "Multi Channel in" or something like that since the PS3 is decoding the DTS HD MA track and sending it PCM. Your receiver will not light up / display "DTS HD MA" but you can confirm you're getting DTS HD MA if you hit the display button on your PS3 remote and it says at the top it's playing DTS HD Master.
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post #520 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by stephenj View Post

Hello, PLEASE HELP!

I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Sony STRDG810 receiver. Up until now, I have been able to get 5.1 channel PCM sound, DD+ 5.1 sound, DTS 5.1 sound, etc. (i have a 5.1 speaker setup).

But of course not DTS-MA, because until update 2.3 the PS3 didn't support it. When i'd play a DTS-MA track, i'd get the "core" DTS sound at 1.5 mbps.

ANYWAY, today i downloaded the 2.3 update from the Sony website to a USB memory stick, and uploaded it to my PS3. All went smoothly, and at the end of the process i checked my "system settings", which indeed showed that i now have 2.3.

BUT, here's the problem: I've tried a number of discs that have DTS-MA, and while the PS3 DISPLAY says i'm getting Lossless sound (between 3.5 and 5.0 mbps), i am only GETTING SOUND out of 3 speakers, the two front speakers, and the sub.

I am getting NO SOUND AT ALL from the center speaker or the left and right surround speakers.

What's worse, this doesn't just apply when i try to listen to a DTS-MA track. The SAME thing is happening when i try to listen to a DD 5.1 or regular DTS 5.1 track as well: No sound coming out of the center or two back surround speakers.

In all cases, the indicator lights on the front of the receiver show only the two front speakers and sub "lit up", indicating that they are in use.

The problem is NOT with the receiver per se, because i also have an HD-DVD player connected to it via HDMI and i've tried a number of HD-DVD discs and am getting the usual 5.1 sound out of them. My receiver test-tone also outputs sound thru all 6 speakers.

Pardon my french, but WHAT THE %@&!& is going on with my PS3?

Am i so frustrated that i am missing something obvious, like a PS3 setting?

Any help would be appreciated ...

The firmware resets all the audio formats.. Go to system settings... Under Audio setting click on all the boxes (5.1,7.1 etc etc)
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post #521 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:26pm
no it does not, it didnt reset mines.
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post #522 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

no it does not, it didnt reset mines.

It should not, but I always check after an update....just in case
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post #523 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

no it does not, it didnt reset mines.

It did for mine.. It only showed 2.1 PCM Checked off!
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post #524 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by dabrit View Post

I agree, but trust me if it was bitstreamed you definately would, the decoding misses something, obviously raw power and balance levels it seems, to me I couldn't tell the difference between it and regular DTS.

*sigh*

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Originally Posted by dabrit View Post

You are so wrong, yes technically it should be the same thing, but the PS3 seems to miss information when decoding, just try setting your PS3 to bitstream and watching a movie with Dolby Digital, now set your PS3 to Linear PCM and tell me what sounds better, to me it's a no brainer, bitstream sounds superior.

*double sigh*

And you're telling people how wrong they are...

Brandon
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post #525 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:36pm
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To all you posting about which sounds better (PCM or bitstream) when using the PS3's optical output connected to their AV Receiver please consider these points:

- When the PS3 is set to bitstream via its optical output you are getting standard (lossy) Dolby Digital or DTS core with discrete surround channels (e.g., 5.1, 6.1, etc) depending what is recorded on that BD title. This is essentially the same sound quality as with DVDs, although in some cases at a little higher data rate providing a little better sound quality.

- When the PS3 is set to output PCM via optical you are only getting 2 channels of stereo audio out of the PS3, but if the disc you are playing has uncompressed PCM, Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA this PCM can be of very high quality, but it's only stereo. In this case your AV receiver must create the surround channels using Dolby Pro Logic II or DTS Neo. To some people having discrete surrounds will be preferred while for others having higher fidelity on the primary front channels, although with less precise surround audio, will sound better. Therefore, there is no single answer possible since both are less than ideal configurations, each with different strengths and weaknesses.

- To most people when comparing 2 otherwise identical audio sources, the louder will sound better (even if only slightly louder). Louder is not sonically better since both alternatives can be adjusted to the identical level by the AVR., nor does louder really indicated anything about the technical merits of one alternative or the other.

Ron Jones
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post #526 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

To all you posting about which sounds better (PCM or bitstream) when using the PS3's optical output connected to their AV Receiver please consider these points:

- When set to bitstream you are getting standard (lossy) Dolby Digital or DTS core with discrete surround channels (e.g., 5.1, 6.1, etc) depending what is recorded on that BD title. This is essentially the same sound quality as with DVDs, although in some cases at a little higher data rate providing a little better sound quality.

- When the PS3 is set to output PCM via optical you are only getting 2 channels of stereo audio out of the PS3, but if the disc you are playing has uncompressed PCM, Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA this PCM can be of very high qualify, but it's only stereo. In this case your AV receiver will create the surround channels using Dolby Pro Logic II or DTS Neo. To some people having discrete surrounds will be preferred while for others having higher fidelity on the primary front channels, although with less precise surround audio will sound better. Therefore, there is no single answer possible since both are less than ideal configurations, but with different strengths and weaknesses.

- To most people when comparing 2 otherwise identical audio sources, the louder will sound better (even if only slightly louder). Louder is not sonically better since both alternatives can be adjusted to the identical level by the AVR., nor does louder really indicated anything about the technical merits of one alternative or the other.

Ron Jones

Stop making sense!!!!
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post #527 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by suzook11 View Post

dolby digital

i thought it might be a drastic change like going from prologic to dolby digital. that to me was worth an upgrade. dts-ma is very disapointing to me.

It won't be obvious to all listeners on all systems. Not everyone can tell DVD-A from DD, either...same difference. It's pretty subtle for the most part.
But are you saying it wasn't "worth" the upgrade? What'd it cost?
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post #528 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:51pm
Im using an onkyo 705 and right now im waching shoot em up in dts-hd 7.1. i only have a 5.1 setup, does the onkyo downmix 7.1 to 5.1? am i loosing any audio buy not having 7.1?
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post #529 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

*sigh*



*double sigh*

And you're telling people how wrong they are...

Brandon

Ain't no entrance exam for this place.
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post #530 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:52pm
Onkyo NR905 owner here. Firmware 1.05 with most recent DSP update done to correct the bitstream bomb.

Updated my PS3 to v2.3 and put on Pan's Labyrinth BD...

The PS3's OSD shows DTS HD-MA 7.1 but the 905 only registers PCM 5.1.

So wtf are the rear surrounds at? Houston, we definitely have a problem. Popped the Pan's Labyrinth BD back into the Panny BD30 to bitstream to the same Onkyo 905 and sure enough, all 7.1 channels of DTS HD MSTR glory are present and accounted for.

Methinks something is screwy with the way PS3 handles the discrete PCM channels once decoded from the Pan's Labyrinth BD.... because PCM should be PCM once sent. I doubt it's the receiver's fault since no further decoding is being done short of post processing with various sound fields/listening modes. I'm sure Sony will come up with a fix.... just need more people like us to complain about it before it happens. Everyone call Sony and tell them about your issues!
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post #531 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:56pm
To the people who keep saying the ps3 sounds lower or they dont hear a differnce do this : wile waching a movies press triangle and scroll over to volume control and choose +2 you can choose what ever level you like. its funny cause at normal levels the ps3 and receiver sounds the same. but if you want you have the option to turn the volume up.
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post #532 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by masmole View Post

Onkyo NR905 owner here. Firmware 1.05 with most recent DSP update done to correct the bitstream bomb.

Updated my PS3 to v2.3 and put on Pan's Labyrinth BD...

The PS3's OSD shows DTS HD-MA 7.1 but the 905 only registers PCM 5.1.

So wtf are the rear surrounds at? Houston, we definitely have a problem. Popped the Pan's Labyrinth BD back into the Panny BD30 to bitstream to the same Onkyo 905 and sure enough, all 7.1 channels of DTS HD MSTR glory are present and accounted for.

Methinks something is screwy with the way PS3 handles the discrete PCM channels once decoded from the Pan's Labyrinth BD.... because PCM should be PCM once sent. I doubt it's the receiver's fault since no further decoding is being done short of post processing with various sound fields/listening modes. I'm sure Sony will come up with a fix.... just need more people like us to complain about it before it happens. Everyone call Sony and tell them about your issues!

I have the 875 playing Saw IV (7.1 DTS HD MA) on the PS3 40Gb model with firware 2.30 (today) and both the Onkyo and PS3 show 7.1. I do have the latest DSP and firmware for my Onkyo. You should update to firmware 1.08 on your 905. Perhaps it is the way Pan's Labyrinth was recorded. Try Saw IV.
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post #533 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Im using an onkyo 705 and right now im waching shoot em up in dts-hd 7.1. i only have a 5.1 setup, does the onkyo downmix 7.1 to 5.1? am i loosing any audio buy not having 7.1?

and can someone please answer this question.
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post #534 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:59pm
Oh yeah, update your 905...
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post #535 of 1583
4/15/08 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by LicenseToKill View Post

Nothing wrong with that - a lot of people 'prefer' the sound from vinyl LPs over CDs.

Bad example, LP's do sound better than CD's with a good enough turntable. CD's can't really come close to a good vinyl recording and a high quality turntable.

Sorry to nitpick. I just saw that and was offended!
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post #536 of 1583
4/15/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by JVi View Post

I have the 875 playing Saw IV (7.1 DTS HD MA) on the PS3 40Gb model with firware 2.30 (today) and both the Onkyo and PS3 show 7.1. I do have the latest DSP and firmware for my Onkyo. You should update to firmware 1.08 on your 905. Perhaps it is the way Pan's Labyrinth was recorded. Try Saw IV.

And where do I get this v1.08 firmware for the Onkyo? Onkyo CS claims there is no official update for any of their *05 receivers except the 605. I know Joerod from the Onkyo threads was handing out unauthorized updates for use with a serial cable and a PC, but that was for v1.05 which I already have.

Do you have the update files for v1.08? Please PM me so that I can get them from you or whoever has it. Thanks.
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post #537 of 1583
4/15/08 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by masmole View Post

And where do I get this v1.08 firmware for the Onkyo? Onkyo CS claims there is no official update for any of their *05 receivers except the 605. I know Joerod from the Onkyo threads was handing out unauthorized updates for use with a serial cable and a PC, but that was for v1.05 which I already have.

Do you have the update files for v1.08? Please PM me so that I can get them from you or whoever has it. Thanks.

Send a private message to the forum member joerod. Tell him what Onkyo model you have and which firmware is currently installed. Give him you e-mail address (make sure not to use G-MAIL) and he will send you the files and instructions. Make sure to say please and thank you.
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post #538 of 1583
4/15/08 at 1:13pm
hi just downloaded the PS3 update and popped in the DEEP PURPLE: Live At Montreux Blu-Ray to test out its DTS-HD High Resolution Audio track. I am using the Onkyo 605 receiver with HDMI of course. The funny thing is that when i checked the bitrate of the DTS HD track, it was only at 2.0. And we all know that DTS Core is at 1.5. So i was wondering how much of an upgrade is DTS-HD High Resolution Audio compared to DTS core? And i am assuming that DTS-HD MA is completly different from High Resolution?

Can anyone please explain the difference between the tracks? Thank you
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post #539 of 1583
4/15/08 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by RichNY View Post

So installed 2.30 this morning and played Live Free - Die Hard.
PS3 info shows DTS-HD MA but I am getting sound drop-outs of approx 2seconds on an intermittent basis via my 3808.
Will try this more tonight - but right now concerned that Houston, we have a problem here

Hey Rich,
do you have the exact time or chapter this occurs. I have LFODH right now and can check against my RX-V2700.

Question for others, how are the Yammie receivers handling the 7.1 from Hairspray, Pan's, & RH3.
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post #540 of 1583
4/15/08 at 1:42pm
Hey guys,

Im going home tonight and I want to upgrade my Onkyo TX-805 with the latest firmware.

Where do I go and download it with the full step by step instructions? I've never upgraded any type of recevier before and I do not want to take any chances in bricking it.

THanks
S1234
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