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post #31 of 461
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Hello Steve, thanks for considering (and buying) the ps3toothfairy.

They have not said, but in the past, an update has taken just a couple of days once I give them the data they need. The process is (or has been anyway) that I tell them something is wrong, they make a test device in my account, I try it, feedback, and then they promote it to the global database. I should have another test device to try today (US/TX time) when I go home. At this time, the top priority is to get it working for the existing Harmony users.

I did not realize that there were some changes made between the initial profile I uploaded and the one that was actually made global. Had I realized that, I would have been on it sooner.

Actually, I have just thought of another temporary workaround to this. (I can't try it right now, at my day time profession), but here it goes. If you can create another device that is a Sony DVD player that supports discrete off. Then make a sequence that issues this command when you want to power down the PS3. That ps3toothfairy will respond to the discrete off and do its magic after that. AGain, I have not tried, this, I just thought of it.

Thanks again
Ayman
post #32 of 461
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Update .... The harmony database should be updated soon with the new mapping of keys. For the time being it is kind of a pain, but that will get resolved shortly. A new note, which is also listed in tips/tricks, but put here so subscribers will get an update.

The discrete off (or PwrOff in Harmony lingo) does not work right now b/c the Harmony can't transmit the proper code. The current workaround is to add a dummy DVD player, the Sony DVP-NS72HP is a confirmed, working choice by us and some of the customers.

Then within the "soft menus" on the harmony, on the last page (on mine anyway), is the command PwrOff. When pressed it will trigger the ps3toothfairy macro and everything will shut down properly.

Again, this is only temporary until the database is corrected.

Thanks
Ayman
post #33 of 461
Hello Ayman, thanks for a great device.

Received my ps3toothfairy today, assembled and working in less than 1/2 hour. It appears the Logitech database must be fixed, I programmed my Harmony One with the ps3toothfairy in the database and all is functioning properly, including power on and power off. Thanks again for a great device.

Steve
post #34 of 461
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Seriously? I'll have to check it out -- I sent them 5 updates to the database last night, but I didn't get a reply yet so I figured they must not have it updated. Glad you were able to get it up and running quickly. I am quite pleased that everyone so far is happy with them. It was the culmination of many late nights after my regular profession.

Again, thanks so much Steve for your purchase. We really appreciate it.
Ayman
post #35 of 461
When do you anticipate taking orders again? I'm interested in the bare bones version where I can just use my remote's brain.
post #36 of 461
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Hello tlc337,

I won't take orders until I have more in my hands from the assembler. I don't want to speculate too much on when that would be, but I'd guess in ~ 2 weeks or so. Others have asked if I can take preorders. I am not sure about that just yet.

- ame
post #37 of 461
Thanks for the quick reply. Can you give a price for the basic version? PM even?
post #38 of 461
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tlc337, The price for the basic version was $45 even + shipping. The little tiny adapter is $8 and the shipping was around $6 in the US for 2-3 priority mail, up to 1 lb. The wall adapter and the ps3toothfairy together weigh just over 6 oz.

Steve, Can you (or any user really) confirm if the OK button on your harmony remote really does what it should. They are indicating a "pending" update to their database, but at the moment, it looks to me like the Top Menu soft key is not labeled correctly and the "OK" button (at the center of the cursor) is sending "Select" instead of "Enter".

Ayman
post #39 of 461
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Steve, Can you (or any user really) confirm if the OK button on your harmony remote really does what it should. They are indicating a "pending" update to their database, but at the moment, it looks to me like the Top Menu soft key is not labeled correctly and the "OK" button (at the center of the cursor) is sending "Select" instead of "Enter".

The OK button was indeed "Select" in the database, I changed this to "X". I don't get exactly what you mean by the Top Menu soft key is not labeled correctly. I have a button on the screen labeled "Top Menu" and it is functioning OK.
post #40 of 461
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I've received an email from logitech that they are in the process of preparing the new profile, so I would expect it very soon.
post #41 of 461
I'm trying to pair my PS3TF with my PS3, but I don't see a button labeled Enter anywhere...

Do you mean X?
post #42 of 461
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Originally Posted by davidag02 View Post

I'm trying to pair my PS3TF with my PS3, but I don't see a button labeled Enter anywhere...

Do you mean X?

No. He means the Enter command on the IR remote you plan to use. You need to have your IR remote somewhat set up to send PS3/PS2 IR signals of which one will be enter.
post #43 of 461
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Originally Posted by davidag02 View Post

I'm trying to pair my PS3TF with my PS3, but I don't see a button labeled Enter anywhere...

Do you mean X?

Just looked at the new profile in Logitech's Database and it appeares the "E" for ENTER soft key has been removed, so you will have to create one. I assigned the ENTER to the hard key "E" on my Harmony One. I hope this helps.

Steve
post #44 of 461
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If the e key is gone, I'll check it when I get home and update the case for them. I provided a list of keys and how they map to the PS3. Ideally, Enter should be the "OK" button on the Harmony which is the center of the cursors. If somebody has access now, they can check and see if that is what it is mapped to. This would mirror the PS3 remote correctly.

- ame
post #45 of 461
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Ideally, Enter should be the "OK" button on the Harmony which is the center of the cursors.

The "OK" is Select on the Harmony One from the database and there is no Enter in the list of commands in the database.

Steve
post #46 of 461
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Originally Posted by x64Man View Post

The "OK" is Select on the Harmony One from the database and there is no Enter in the list of commands in the database.

Steve

Yes, Steve, I just checked it. Amazingly, EVERY other key seems to be correct, except there are 2 select buttons. 1 is a soft key, and 1 is a "hard" key and it is mapped to Select -- which is wrong. UPDATE: The Enter key is actually listed as OK in the soft keys. See post below.

Secondly, I am so sorry this is such a problem, I never anticipated or expected that Logitech would take so long to get the profile correct -- And then drop the 1 key that is really needed. Anybody from Logitech here -- Anyone got an in? I'll update the case tonight, so hopefully somebody will see it in the morning and take care of it.

Thanks
Ayman
post #47 of 461
Hi Ayman,

I also noticed from the current database there is suppose to be a soft key called Select\\OK when I programed Harmony One there is a blank spot where this soft key is suppose to be. I am still currently using what was in the database a week ago so I had no problem pairing.

Steve
post #48 of 461
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Hello Steve,

That is interesting, I thought I checked that. So I just rechecked and my "Select" soft key actually shows up. It does not say select/ok though, just select. I am in the process of setting up the test fixture for the harmony right now so I'll run through these keys and determine what all is right/wrong in a few minutes.

As an aside, I do know that if you call or email harmony support they can add single keys to your profile if you give them the hex (which is on the ps3toothfairy site). Hopefully that won't be needed though.

Ayman
post #49 of 461
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It does not say select/ok though, just select.

Just added device now and see the soft key Select\\OK is now gone, go figure, I new I should of checked it prior to bringing it up, I know it was there earlier today.

Steve
post #50 of 461
Thread Starter 
Ok, **** IMPORTANT UPDATE ****

It looks like the database entry is mostly complete. The ONLY issue that I observe is that the center key isn't transmitting ENTER. On my 550 it isn't sending anything at all. I've checked every supported key with the toothfairy test fixture and here are the results:

The Enter key does exist, but is mislabeled, On my remote it is a soft key and is labeled "OK". The other odd named keys are per the Harmony lingo, Slow Forward is called "Frame Advance", The "Info" key will bring up the Display, and the "Exit" key invokes the PS3 Return Key.

In summary, for now:
Harmony Key = PS3 Key
OK = Enter
Info = Display
Exit = Return
Frame Advance = Slow Forward
PwrToggle = PS


Everything else should be self explanatory ... I will ask Logitech to make one final change and that is to map the cursor center button (On my remote it is OK, is that the case on all of them?) to Transmit Enter, then all should be good.
post #51 of 461
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The Logitech database has been updated with a new and fully usable profile. Perhaps the only change you might want is to map the PopUp menu to a hard key on your remote for movie watching. In any case, here is the new mapping:


Harmony Key = PS3 Key
OK (HARD KEY) = Enter
Info = Display
Exit = Return
Frame Advance = Slow Forward
PwrToggle = PS


The "Select." key (note the dot) is the same as Select. For reasons that only Logitech understands there is something to the naming of keys. As I understand it, certain names are reserved so that they automatically map to the hard keys. Select is one of those that automatically goes to the OK key, so the name can't be Select, but instead "select.".

The ps3toothfairy profile tries to stay true to the official Sony PS3 remote. I've included a picture of it here, so you can get an idea of how it is laid out, particularly with respect to the cursor+start+enter keys.


PAIRING USING THE HARMONY (with the default configuration):
1) Make sure ps3toothfairy is in run mode (LED is OFF)
2) Press the Angle Soft key
3) LED Blinks twice and then goes out
4) Press OK Hard Key (which is PS3 Enter)
5) LED stays on
6) Press and HOLD the Start soft key until the PS3 screen changes


Thanks Everyone ....
LL
post #52 of 461
After reading this thread, I just want to say you've been working your butt off on this one. Go Aymanme!
post #53 of 461
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Originally Posted by aymanme View Post


Harmony Key = PS3 Key
OK (HARD KEY) = Enter
Info = Display
Exit = Return
Frame Advance = Slow Forward
PwrToggle = PS

I'm not using your device nor the IR2BT but many users including myself find that navigating the PS3 is muck better served with OK=x, Play=enter (as enter only work in movies) on harmony remotes. just my .02 but you might take a look at that.
post #54 of 461
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Originally Posted by snookalo View Post

After reading this thread, I just want to say you've been working your butt off on this one. Go Aymanme!

Thanks ... also I've got a pint glass with that slogan (and the appropriate homer graphic) on the side.
post #55 of 461
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Originally Posted by dogdoctor View Post

I'm not using your device nor the IR2BT but many users including myself find that navigating the PS3 is muck better served with OK=x, Play=enter (as enter only work in movies) on harmony remotes. just my .02 but you might take a look at that.

Hello dogdoctor, I am not sure I follow the "enter only works in movies". The enter button on the official PS3 remote is the "main" button used for navigation. For instance in XMB, when you scroll left and right and land on say "audio", you press enter (or X) to pick it. On the PS3 remote, it is natural to press enter since it is the cursor key(refer to the ps3 remote picture above). Can you elaborate on what you mean, thanks!

Thanks
Ayman
post #56 of 461
Hi Ayman,

I purchased one of your Elite models and shipped to Australia, with a permanent home for the PS3 in a dedicated AV cupboard in the near future.

Pleased to say it was set up and working in a short time.

All seems to be working perfectly with a Harmony 785.


Cheers
post #57 of 461
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Hi Chui, I am glad you are happy with it. If you end up using the wired IR with a Xantech, or Niles or whatever I'd like to hear how it goes. Some have been tried, but I'd like to build a list of which ones have customer success.

Thanks again for your support.
- ayman
post #58 of 461
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Originally Posted by aymanme View Post

Hello dogdoctor, I am not sure I follow the "enter only works in movies". The enter button on the official PS3 remote is the "main" button used for navigation. For instance in XMB, when you scroll left and right and land on say "audio", you press enter (or X) to pick it. On the PS3 remote, it is natural to press enter since it is the cursor key(refer to the ps3 remote picture above). Can you elaborate on what you mean, thanks!

Thanks
Ayman

OK so I did some testing:

1) Start/Enter will only enter movies, pictures, audio
2) X will enter different users, settings, pics, movies, audio, games.

So Start/Enter on the game controller was never useful to me because I have been trained to use X while navigating the XMB as some of your gamer audience might have too. Plus if your audience has more than one playstation user the natural reaction will be to scroll and hit "OK" for the appropriate user, but if that key is set as Enter, it will only work for the aforementioned items and not log them on. But if it is X, it will let you do anything after you scroll and hit "OK"/X.

So from a whole XMB standpoint I think it is wiser to use the X button for OK, but I guess personal preference is to each his own. This is also coming from a person who never owned a BR remote.
post #59 of 461
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Thank you dogdoctor for your experiment and writeup, so here are some additional thoughts.

I believe that this has more to do with the profile that is used rather than the function of the Start/Enter key. On the Sony BD Remote there is no key that is both Start and Enter, they are distinct keys. The game remotes (i.e. sixaxis / dualshock) don't have an Enter key. So though the X will work (and I've confirmed that it does) the Enter key does exactly the same thing and is the default key on the PS3 remote. Enter can login, pick movies, audio, etc. The start key will not however do much. Can I ask you what profile you are using and I'll load it onto a Harmony remote and test with it?

- ayman
post #60 of 461
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Originally Posted by aymanme View Post

Thank you dogdoctor for your experiment and writeup, so here are some additional thoughts.

I believe that this has more to do with the profile that is used rather than the function of the Start/Enter key. On the Sony BD Remote there is no key that is both Start and Enter, they are distinct keys. The game remotes (i.e. sixaxis / dualshock) don't have an Enter key. So though the X will work (and I've confirmed that it does) the Enter key does exactly the same thing and is the default key on the PS3 remote. Enter can login, pick movies, audio, etc. The start key will not however do much. Can I ask you what profile you are using and I'll load it onto a Harmony remote and test with it?

- ayman

Sure...I'm using the IR2BT profile actually on my Schmartz product. I never knew there was an enter key on the BR remote until tonight. I've personally never really tested the ENTER key because of my default association to the start key (and the lack of it's functionality). If the enter key is really the same as X in functionality, then I ask, why do they need two commands to do the same thing? Odd. Thus hopefully this explains why many of us without the BR remote I guess default to X - neither of us is likely wrong if the codes do the same thing.
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