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post #1501 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jeffw/ag View Post

I still cannot access the side bar option. Maybe the HDMI cables will open that up?

Did you select the 4:3 display format mode first? The side bar color option is only selectable while in 4:3 mode since thats all its used for.
post #1502 of 2470
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Originally Posted by sybidoc View Post

I have read this damn thread for hours and cannot find how to access the service menu to adjust grayscale. Please mention the procedure to get into the service menu on these sets.

Check post #1497 within this thread. I would post the link but apparently I'm too new. The forum will not let me post links.
post #1503 of 2470
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Originally Posted by Joxer View Post

Did you select the 4:3 display format mode first? The side bar color option is only selectable while in 4:3 mode since thats all its used for.

Thanks...I will check that out when I get home.
post #1504 of 2470
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Originally Posted by sybidoc View Post

I have read this damn thread for hours and cannot find how to access the service menu to adjust grayscale. Please mention the procedure to get into the service menu on these sets.

sybidoc,

Since I obviously don't know your background I'll just say that you shouldn't make changes to your service menu without the proper equipment and technical knowledge. Also make sure you write down all of your default settings in case you do decide to make changes.

With that said, I'm not sure why no one here has answered you but I have the TH42PZ80U and I get into my service menu as follows:

Press & hold the - VOL button on the TV
Press INFO on the remote three (3) times


Mods, if directly posting Service Menu access is against the rules, I apologize and please delete this post.
post #1505 of 2470
Using DVE BR and my PS3, I have come up with much different settings for Picture and brightness. The Pic seems very low and the Brightness seems very high, but the image looks great. I have tried others settings and they just do not look as good. Anyone know why this would be? Are the service settings adjusted different or something?

Cinema
PIC- 43
BRI- 95-99
COL- 42
TIN- +5
SHA- 50
TEM- normal
post #1506 of 2470
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Originally Posted by JS23 View Post

sybidoc,

Since I obviously don't know your background I'll just say that you shouldn't make changes to your service menu without the proper equipment and technical knowledge. Also make sure you write down all of your default settings in case you do decide to make changes.

With that said, I'm not sure why no one here has answered you but I have the TH42PZ80U and I get into my service menu as follows:

Press & hold the - VOL button on the TV
Press INFO on the remote three (3) times


Mods, if directly posting Service Menu access is against the rules, I apologize and please delete this post.

No worries, it is allowed.
I think some calibrators dislike seeing it, but on that I'm not certain.
post #1507 of 2470
do we have a Forum stickie for local calibrators?

i would not mind paying for it, but i don't need a greasy faced kid who was doing Fries at the Drive Thru last week doing it.
post #1508 of 2470
I am at the 150 hours on my 50PZ80...maybe 25-35 hours watching TV (following the guidelines)...and the rest running the SVCD. However...I notice some IR with the ESPN-HD logo when I start the SVCD. It goes away...but is this normal...or is it my TV telling me I need to spend a little more time on the breaking in? Thanks.
post #1509 of 2470
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Originally Posted by 04ctd View Post

do we have a Forum stickie for local calibrators?

i would not mind paying for it, but i don't need a greasy faced kid who was doing Fries at the Drive Thru last week doing it.

Calibration forum



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=139
post #1510 of 2470
Hi all. Merry Christmas from a brand new (< 1 week) PZ80 owner. I'm enjoying playing with the settings during the break-in period, but I just had a couple of quick questions...

First - I'm running the Motorola DCH-3416 thru Comcast. Anyone with recommendations as far as HD Size 1 or Size 2? Is 2 inherently better if there are no visible artifacts? Second - is there a way - either thru the set of the box - to have the TV toggle automatically to "Just" when displaying SD signals, while staying in "Full" for 1080i? To my eye "Just" looks more natural for SD than Full. Thanks for the help.
post #1511 of 2470
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Originally Posted by Deeg67 View Post

Hi all. Merry Christmas from a brand new (< 1 week) PZ80 owner. I'm enjoying playing with the settings during the break-in period, but I just had a couple of quick questions...

First - I'm running the Motorola DCH-3416 thru Comcast. Anyone with recommendations as far as HD Size 1 or Size 2? Is 2 inherently better if there are no visible artifacts? Second - is there a way - either thru the set of the box - to have the TV toggle automatically to "Just" when displaying SD signals, while staying in "Full" for 1080i? To my eye "Just" looks more natural for SD than Full. Thanks for the help.

Welcome to the club. Size 2 is better; Size 1 does an overscan to fill the screen. You'll find you'll be able to use 2 more often. In my case, certain NBC shows and the odd other hd channel will show a line on the left side meaning I have to switch to size 1 but mine stays on 2 until I see the line. I don't think size 1 or 2 has anything to do with "artifacts" - that's source related. I never see artificts.

On the subject of full versus just, I agree that just is best for analog or sd material; my wife doesn't like the slight stretching effect that just gives. I usually use my swap key to toggle between a hi-def source and an sd or analog source that would require the just setting.

I'm sure you'll get more opinions and hints and don't forget to start reading through this thread. If you read it in it's entirety you'll get answers to questions you haven't even encountered yet.
post #1512 of 2470
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Originally Posted by StuJac View Post

Welcome to the club. Size 2 is better; Size 1 does an overscan to fill the screen. You'll find you'll be able to use 2 more often. In my case, certain NBC shows and the odd other hd channel will show a line on the left side meaning I have to switch to size 1 but mine stays on 2 until I see the line. I don't think size 1 or 2 has anything to do with "artifacts" - that's source related. I never see artificts.

On the subject of full versus just, I agree that just is best for analog or sd material; my wife doesn't like the slight stretching effect that just gives. I usually use my swap key to toggle between a hi-def source and an sd or analog source that would require the just setting.

I'm sure you'll get more opinions and hints and don't forget to start reading through this thread. If you read it in it's entirety you'll get answers to questions you haven't even encountered yet.

Excellent - thanks. So when you say you use the "swap" key, you mean you just use the format key to toggle from full to just whenever you switch to SD?
post #1513 of 2470
No-I meant swapping tuners on the 3416. You have dual tuners, right? Keep the hi-def channels (and full) on one tuner and use the other tuner for sd/analog sources. The screen will then stay "just"
post #1514 of 2470
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Originally Posted by StuJac View Post

No-I meant swapping tuners on the 3416. You have dual tuners, right? Keep the hi-def channels (and full) on one tuner and use the other tuner for sd/analog sources. The screen will then stay "just"

Damn - that never even fricking occurred to me. Very nice, thank you!
post #1515 of 2470
Long time reader of the forums (major help in purchase decision), but this is my first post.
I purchased a 46PZ85U.
I've read through pretty much all of this thread. Excellent info and calibration details. It's like AV Techo porn.
It's been years since I last 'service mode' cal'ed a TV, but now I have the service manual for this one and I'm ready to brew coffee and start tweakin'.

I was wondering if some of you guys that have had your sets professionally cal'ed could post your menu settings you normally use, BUT also give the viewing area's typical lighting for comparison between guy's settings.
Thanks
post #1516 of 2470
Just got a 46PZ85U.

Few questions. I was reading the first few pages of this thread and I've read that cinema is the best for movie watching/tv viewing?

What about for games?

I'm a big gamer. Would game mode be better for me or should I still roll w/ cinema? Right now I use Custom when playing my 360.

Also will this TV remember settings for each input?

Thanks for the help.
post #1517 of 2470
I watch and play everything on Cinema mode on my PZ85. If your games look too dark, try adjusting the brightness on the game's video settings.

I can't remember off hand if the set will remember settings for each input, mainly because I never change from Cinema. I seem to recall having to set each input to Cinema mode when I first plugged something in. Just try it and find out.
post #1518 of 2470
has anyone switched from Cinema to Custom or other setting if they think the picture they are getting on Cinema is too dark for their liking ?

I do switch to Custom..for night time football games..and some TV shows where I seem to get more Pop out of the picture.

I think a lot of it has to do with the Feed of the channel that my Time Warner Cable company gives me..

ESPN I can leave it on Cinema..and it looks perfect..others seem too dark..for my liking and I may switch it depending on the kind of show it is..

Just curious
post #1519 of 2470
I actually change to custom with NHL hockey...it makes the picture brighter and the white ice seems to have a bit more sparkle. I am finding myself getting used to cinema, though, for other things including sports. I just installed the $20 backlight setup and will see how much difference that makes tonight.
post #1520 of 2470
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Originally Posted by sybidoc View Post

I have read this damn thread for hours and cannot find how to access the service menu to adjust grayscale. Please mention the procedure to get into the service menu on these sets.

I have a feeling we are about to hear about a number of TV's that are getting bricked.

I would not go in there unless you have a meter and software and have read up on what to do in there. If you have then great. Have at er.

C.
post #1521 of 2470
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Originally Posted by StuJac View Post

Size 2 is better; Size 1 does an overscan to fill the screen.

Size 1 is good for letterbox (2.35:1 or wider scope) films. It gives a slight zoom effect so you get a bit bigger picture, and still has way less overscan than a traditional CRT would.

With Size 2 the station logos are practically in the middle of the screen
post #1522 of 2470
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Originally Posted by JS23 View Post

My settings were derived from performing a greyscale calibration. Like Tom Huffman said (either in this thread or the owner's thread) once you go above the low 60s for picture there is very little change in the ft/L. I set mine to a hair under 34f/L (I just chose this number). I read that the ideal range is 30-40ft/L. However, IIRC I couldn't really get any higher than 36.5ft/L (which was around 63-64 for picture) so I figured I'd give myself a little headroom.

Yup pretty much... I find that 35 ftL is actually the bang on reference from reading around. THX refers to that number in their little blurbs on their website. Tom quoted some 120ish number as the Gods Rule of Thumb starting point (but only if it does not ruin other aspect of picture performance from what I understand). What are you using for test patterns? I have several and have not settled on one yet. They all give a slightly different light output result. Getgray is just over 1 ftL lower than DVE HD's "white box" because..... They use a different size box and the larger the box the less light the screen puts out.

DVE HD and AVS709's white box are the closest to eachother. Getgrays are huge in comparison. Might not matter for most measurements but the +1 ftL difference with Getgray kinda bothers me. They are all great disks.

Which coloromiter are you using? Also are you usign colorHCFR?

Until I get my greyscale nailed down, my favorite settings for Blueray and DVD (From an actual Blueray Player) over HDMI (to a PZ85 that is) are still 60 Pic, 52 Bri, 36 color, -6 Tint, 50 sharp on Cinema and Warm. I am sacraficing a little luminance of Color versus Grey to slightly desaturate Red and Green (which is not really all that saturated IMO to begin with). Peak white output is 35ftL and Gamma is average 2.2 (another sweetspot).

C.
post #1523 of 2470
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Originally Posted by cvearl View Post

Yup pretty much... I find that 35 ftL is actually the bang on reference from reading around. THX refers to that number in their little blurbs on their website. Tom quoted some 120ish number as the Gods Rule of Thumb starting point (but only if it does not ruin other aspect of picture performance from what I understand). What are you using for test patterns? I have several and have not settled on one yet. They all give a slightly different light output result. Getgray is just over 1 ftL lower than DVE HD's "white box" because..... They use a different size box and the larger the box the less light the screen puts out.

DVE HD and AVS709's white box are the closest to eachother. Getgrays are huge in comparison. Might not matter for most measurements but the +1 ftL difference with Getgray kinda bothers me. They are all great disks.

Which coloromiter are you using? Also are you usign colorHCFR?

Until I get my greyscale nailed down, my favorite settings for Blueray and DVD (From an actual Blueray Player) over HDMI (to a PZ85 that is) are still 60 Pic, 52 Bri, 36 color, -6 Tint, 50 sharp on Cinema and Warm. I am sacraficing a little luminance of Color versus Grey to slightly desaturate Red and Green (which is not really all that saturated IMO to begin with). Peak white output is 35ftL and Gamma is average 2.2 (another sweetspot).

C.

I've always had my tint at 0. Now I try your -6 and red and greens are less saturated and skins tones look more authentic. I've always used cinema and the same "other" settings as you use, but this little variation in tint made quite a difference so thanks! I am also using this for HDTV (comcast) and it is just fine. I cannot recall, but have you made SM changes? thanks again!
post #1524 of 2470
Skimming the thread, I see a lot of PZ85U owners sharing their settings but wondered if many PZ80U owners have found a settings range that work best?
post #1525 of 2470
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Originally Posted by abintra View Post

Skimming the thread, I see a lot of PZ85U owners sharing their settings but wondered if many PZ80U owners have found a settings range that work best?

I think the settings of PZ85 hold good for PZ80 as well. After all it is the same panel inside apart from the PC input and theoritical (hyped up for marketing reasons) contrast ratio! I call it theoritical as human eye can not tell the difference between 20000:1 and 30000:1
post #1526 of 2470
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Originally Posted by abintra View Post

Skimming the thread, I see a lot of PZ85U owners sharing their settings but wondered if many PZ80U owners have found a settings range that work best?

I have the 50PZ80 and have settled (at least for now) on the following
Cinema
Picture......64
Brightness..52
Color.........49
Tint.......... -6
Sharpness..68

This is not a calibrated setting but simply meets the "eyeball test." I am watching with a DirecTv H20-600 and running OTA HD thru the TV's tuner.
post #1527 of 2470
Has anyone else had the problem of green blur following fast moving objects in games? because i just got my tv, and im noticing this alot while playing and im wondering if i should return it as it might have a problem

My model is the th-c42fd18

Please help, this green blur is reaallly annoying
post #1528 of 2470
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for posting your information here. I just had a quick questiona bout the AVC 709 disc i burned. I put it in my TH42PZ85 and none of the patterns are showing at any of the settings. For example and the Black and white patterns I dont see any of the bars that I should. Anything simple that I am doing wrong? Is there something wrong with my set?

My hope was that the calibration disc would be dead simple! is it supposed to be?

Cheers,
post #1529 of 2470
Using my Avia disc am pleased with these results:

Cinema, 'normal' temp setting, rest off
72 Picture
50 Brightness
44 Color
-4 Tint
52 Sharpness
post #1530 of 2470
Are you guys using the normal AVia/DVE discs, or the HD versions?
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