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post #1591 of 2470
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Originally Posted by roberteyewhy View Post

Sure will if I can get the remote, time and no one stops me from entering the SM.

Whoa, ElwayLite's settings work for me!

HD looks stunning now and even SD looks great. Color's are vibrant. The black's are deep while still seeing details within them. The white's are perfect. The 'Redness' on faces are gone.

My/His SM settings:

Contrast: 000
Color: 3D
TINT: 03
Sub-Brt: 800

R-Cut: 79
G-Cut: 79
B-Cut: 80

R-DRV: F6
G-DRV: F3
B-DRV: A3

Allcut 80
All drive F6

My Picture Settings:

Cinema
Picture: +62
Brightness: +55
Color: +35
Tint: -3
Sharpness: +50
Color Temp: Warm
Black Level: Light
Everything else: Off

Good way to start the New Year!

Robert

I am using this exact same setup as well except for tint which I have at 0. Negative settings net me to much red tint in white areas. I must say it is the best all around picture I have seen on this TV. Happy New Year!!
post #1592 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

I am using this exact same setup as well and I must say it is the best all around picture I have seen on this TV. Happy New Year!!

I just adjusted mine to this and I agree....the picture is great!! I have the same settings for SD and HD.

Anyone getting great results using black level: Dark?
post #1593 of 2470
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Originally Posted by roberteyewhy View Post

Benjamin, here's the link to FR John's post. I used "less" during my break-in period.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5534

Robert

Thanks Robert.. Now I'm break-in prepared.
Just read on a danish forum, that it didn't matter whether I breaked my tv in or not, and I should just use my prefered settings the first time I turned on the television - thats just nonsense

Benjamin
post #1594 of 2470
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Originally Posted by mobedda View Post

Well it's basically a power failure.
Per Service Manual:
Repeated 10 blink code....
"Sub 5V SOS
Main 3.3V SOS
DTV 9V SOS
Tuner Power SOS"
It list the "A-Board" as the check point.

Maybe it's just a blow fuse.

Is the fuse accessible without removing the rear panel? Where can I get/download the service manual?
post #1595 of 2470
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Originally Posted by benjaminhviid View Post

Thanks Robert.. Now I'm break-in prepared.
Just read on a danish forum, that it didn't matter whether I breaked my tv in or not, and I should just use my prefered settings the first time I turned on the television - thats just nonsense

Benjamin

I wouldn't say that.
The idea is to age the phosphors evenly.
As long as you zoom or strecth everything so no logos or aspect ratio bars are shown you are doing almost as good as the break-in disc, but enjoying the set the whole time.
There is no reason, in my opinion, to lower contrast or brightness during the initial 100-300 hours.....you are trying to exdcite ther phosphors and the lower your settings the longer that will take.
post #1596 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jfon0604 View Post

I just adjusted mine to this and I agree....the picture is great!! I have the same settings for SD and HD.

Anyone getting great results using black level: Dark?

I use dark on football games in HD. Especially day games. There is not much if any shadow detail that needs to be seen in a football game imo. And the field, players, colors all look better/more saturated with dark. However, dark setting in any movie crushes black so much it really hurts the image quality.
post #1597 of 2470
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Originally Posted by benjaminhviid View Post

Just read on a danish forum, that it didn't matter whether I breaked my tv in or not, and I should just use my prefered settings the first time I turned on the television - thats just nonsense

There are a variety of opionions on the break-in issue. Even Panasonic gives conflicting advice. I've read that some manufacturers provide inverse images for letterbox and pillarbox content but even that may not account for non-uniform aging by color over thousands of hours. Phosphor aging is not charge based image retention (IR) though. The scrolling bar or having the display off for a while should take of that.

I think the bottom line is that you should expect to periodically re-calibrate if you care enough to do it in the first place. If you carefully calibrate at frequent intervals you may even observe changes in panel performance. Test and measure. The "S" in AVS.
post #1598 of 2470
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Originally Posted by rkammer View Post

Is the fuse accessible without removing the rear panel? Where can I get/download the service manual?

Check the owners thread.
post #1599 of 2470
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Originally Posted by rkammer View Post

Is the fuse accessible without removing the rear panel? Where can I get/download the service manual?

It doesn't appear there's easy access to the fuses. Matter of fact, without opening one up, I would assume they're possibly board mounted fuses.
The service guy being sent out may be bringing a new "A" Board with him since the 'blind code' specifically references that one.
post #1600 of 2470
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I think the bottom line is that you should expect to periodically re-calibrate if you care enough to do it in the first place. If you carefully calibrate at frequent intervals you may even observe changes in panel performance. Test and measure. The "S" in AVS.

How often do you think i should I re-calibrate it?

Benjamin
post #1601 of 2470
It is reccomended to do so on a yearly basis.
Good reason to make an investment in learning how to calibrate yourself and get the needed equipment. In the end, you'll be able to calibrate for life at a fraction of an ISF tech yearly or two visit cost.
That changes with the amount of panel hours used per day or week though.
I believe every 1,000-2,000 hours would be the ideal range.
post #1602 of 2470
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Originally Posted by benjaminhviid View Post

How often do you think i should I re-calibrate it?

If you believe that your panel needs breaking-in and/or that its performance will change during the first 1,000 hours of use then you might want to calibrate a few times during that window. Or wait until you think your panel is stable and calibrate it then and at intervals that are a function of the rate of change.

Or every year.
post #1603 of 2470
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Originally Posted by roberteyewhy View Post

Sure will if I can get the remote, time and no one stops me from entering the SM.

Whoa, ElwayLite's settings work for me!

HD looks stunning now and even SD looks great. Color's are vibrant. The black's are deep while still seeing details within them. The white's are perfect. The 'Redness' on faces are gone.

My/His SM settings:

Contrast: 000
Color: 3D
TINT: 03
Sub-Brt: 800

R-Cut: 79
G-Cut: 79
B-Cut: 80

R-DRV: F6
G-DRV: F3
B-DRV: A3

Allcut 80
All drive F6

My Picture Settings:

Cinema
Picture: +62
Brightness: +55
Color: +35
Tint: -3
Sharpness: +50
Color Temp: Warm
Black Level: Light
Everything else: Off

Good way to start the New Year!

Robert

Those of you who are making SM changes are you just copying other peoples settings no matter that your default setting were different or are you using the formula of rd-4, gd same,bd-5 rc+7, gc same, bc+7 from your default this is for 86-80u ,800 were doing bd+10,rd-2,rc-1, bc+1.from default. Thanks
post #1604 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jbdan View Post

I am using this exact same setup as well except for tint which I have at 0. Negative settings net me to much red tint in white areas. I must say it is the best all around picture I have seen on this TV. Happy New Year!!

I agree - the picture is stunning with these settings. However, while these SM settings are identical to Elway's, keep in mind that his standard settings (color, picture, etc.) are Cinema after being reset with the only changes being made to color and tint (Elway said: "If you go into Cinema and reset it, all are the same except for color and tint. (44 and +2)").

Therefore I think there's probably a big difference in the end result between these settings and what Elway has on his TV. Anyway, thanks for looking into these settings - I'm very happy with them.
post #1605 of 2470
How do I change SM settings?
post #1606 of 2470
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Originally Posted by Hanging Ten View Post

Those of you who are making SM changes are you just copying other peoples settings no matter that your default setting were different or are you using the formula of rd-4, gd same,bd-5 rc+7, gc same, bc+7 from your default this is for 86-80u ,800 were doing bd+10,rd-2,rc-1, bc+1.from default. Thanks

I've done both....the formula and just use the values no matter what my default were. However, all my values were the exact same as Elway except for 1.

I know, as I stated before, my TV is probably far from true calibration. But since I am the only one watching it then I might as well play around and see what looks best to me. And with Elways SM settings I have the best I have seen....YET! hehe.

I will always tinker and tweak...I have digital pics of all my original SM settings so if ever needed I can revert w/o issues.

I have never had a TV professionally calibrated, but have already started the process. Until then I will tweak till my hearts delight
post #1607 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jfon0604 View Post

Hey guys! Ive been going through most of these pages and had a quick question. I have a 46pz80u, I adjusted with the following:

Service Menu settings:

Cinema, Warm
r drive: d3
g drive: fc
b drive: a2
r cut: 87
g cut: 80
b cut: 87

Picture Menu settings:

Picture: 74
Brightness: 82
Color: 41
Tint : +4
Sharpness: 50
Temp: Warm
Color mgnt: On
x.v.Color: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Dark

I know a lot of people complain about crushing blacks in Dark mode so I increased the brightness a bit. What do you think of these settings? Any one else using similar settings in Dark mode? I have not run any calibration dvd's, just using the settings recommended in here and I think it looks great!



I posted this earlier and I must say I like dark better for everything as it eliminates that sometimes 'faded' appearance. I constantly am switching between light (w/ lower pic and brightness settings) and dark but dark consistently provides me with a richer, deeper and more vibrant picture. If I turn up the brightness a bit in movies I know have a lot of dark scenes, I avoid crushing blacks but have a superior picture (IMO )

I have a 42pz85u and my settings are as follows (with no SM edits):

Picture: 62
Brightness: 63 - 78 (depending upon what I'm watching...~65 for most things but ~75 for movies/shows with dark scenes)
Color: 39
Tint : +3
Sharpness: 50
Temp: Warm
Color mgnt: Off
x.v.Color: Auto (I have a PS3)
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Dark


I encourage anyone who hasn't had professional calibration to give similar settings a shot and let us know what you think!
post #1608 of 2470
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Originally Posted by euckersw View Post

I agree - the picture is stunning with these settings. However, while these SM settings are identical to Elway's, keep in mind that his standard settings (color, picture, etc.) are Cinema after being reset with the only changes being made to color and tint (Elway said: "If you go into Cinema and reset it, all are the same except for color and tint. (44 and +2)").

Therefore I think there's probably a big difference in the end result between these settings and what Elway has on his TV. Anyway, thanks for looking into these settings - I'm very happy with them.

Yes I agree. One thing though.....when you reset Cinema it puts picture/contrast @ 100. I would think he would have brought that down some but maybe not.

They are great settings so far...I'm sure by next week I will have tried something different and think they are the "ones" lol. OCD can be fun sometimes
post #1609 of 2470
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

I posted this earlier and I must say I like dark better for everything as it eliminates that sometimes 'faded' appearance. I constantly am switching between light (w/ lower pic and brightness settings) and dark but dark consistently provides me with a richer, deeper and more vibrant picture. If I turn up the brightness a bit in movies I know have a lot of dark scenes, I avoid crushing blacks but have a superior picture (IMO )

I have a 42pz85u and my settings are as follows (with no SM edits):

Picture: 62
Brightness: 63 - 78 (depending upon what I'm watching...~65 for most things but ~75 for movies/shows with dark scenes)
Color: 39
Tint : +3
Sharpness: 50
Temp: Warm
Color mgnt: Off
x.v.Color: Auto (I have a PS3)
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Dark


I encourage anyone who hasn't had professional calibration to give similar settings a shot and let us know what you think!

Good advice indeed. I think everyone should try as many settings as they want. They will eventually find their optimum PQ! Thanks for your suggestions
post #1610 of 2470
Does anyone know how to change sm settings or can tell me the procedure.
post #1611 of 2470
Ok i've been trying as many of the settings here that i've had the patience to write down with the Dark City blu-ray disc. Most if not all of them left the faces too red for my liking. Problem is, sometimes in scenes the faces in the movie are red, while in others they are not. It seems i'm a little sensitive to it.

I stumbled upon these settings using Tom's settings as a starting point. I watched the entire movie over again and did not once notice any red push. The picture looked grand too. Here they are.

Cinema
Picture: 72
Brightness: 49 (changed to 53)
Color: 38
Tint: -3
Sharpness: 50
Warm

Black: Light
HD Size: 1

Everything else off.

Just to note, i did not do anything to my service menu.

Also, my brightness level might seem low because i was watching the movie at night in a dark room. I thought the brightness was fine, and that's saying something for a movie that basically takes place at night until the last 5 minutes. Day time viewing might see me bump that up a tad. We'll see...


**EDIT**

Played with the brightness just now, and realized that incremental increases don't really change the picture all that much. I paused the movie on a dark scene and settled on a brightness setting of 53 which made some of the subtleties in the scene a little more apparent.
post #1612 of 2470
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Originally Posted by neverfaithful View Post

Does anyone know how to change sm settings or can tell me the procedure.

Try this: Enter Service Menu: Hold Vol. - down on the TV while pressing the INFO button on the remote 3 times.
post #1613 of 2470
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

I posted this earlier and I must say I like dark better for everything as it eliminates that sometimes 'faded' appearance. I constantly am switching between light (w/ lower pic and brightness settings) and dark but dark consistently provides me with a richer, deeper and more vibrant picture. If I turn up the brightness a bit in movies I know have a lot of dark scenes, I avoid crushing blacks but have a superior picture (IMO )

I have a 42pz85u and my settings are as follows (with no SM edits):

Picture: 62
Brightness: 63 - 78 (depending upon what I'm watching...~65 for most things but ~75 for movies/shows with dark scenes)
Color: 39
Tint : +3
Sharpness: 50
Temp: Warm
Color mgnt: Off
x.v.Color: Auto (I have a PS3)
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Dark


I encourage anyone who hasn't had professional calibration to give similar settings a shot and let us know what you think!

I totally agree, the dark mode is just such a rich picture. For some reason, it just gives everthing a more 3d look.

Im still trying to decide on warm vs normal. I adjust the SM for warm and the picture looks great, but I put in the break-in dvd to look at the white and it looked so dirty on warm.
post #1614 of 2470
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

I posted this earlier and I must say I like dark better for everything as it eliminates that sometimes 'faded' appearance. I constantly am switching between light (w/ lower pic and brightness settings) and dark but dark consistently provides me with a richer, deeper and more vibrant picture. If I turn up the brightness a bit in movies I know have a lot of dark scenes, I avoid crushing blacks but have a superior picture (IMO )

I have a 42pz85u and my settings are as follows (with no SM edits):

Picture: 62
Brightness: 63 - 78 (depending upon what I'm watching...~65 for most things but ~75 for movies/shows with dark scenes)
Color: 39
Tint : +3
Sharpness: 50
Temp: Warm
Color mgnt: Off
x.v.Color: Auto (I have a PS3)
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Dark


I encourage anyone who hasn't had professional calibration to give similar settings a shot and let us know what you think!

A liitle help for you.
The reason you get the washed out look is because your brightness level is WAY too high.
Change back to light, as a 'dark' black level does nothing good for accuracy, then move your brihghtness down to 52 or lower(maybe down to as low as 46/47).
It will be dimmer but much more accurate and wont have the washed out look.
post #1615 of 2470
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Originally Posted by jfon0604 View Post

I totally agree, the dark mode is just such a rich picture. For some reason, it just gives everthing a more 3d look.

Im still trying to decide on warm vs normal. I adjust the SM for warm and the picture looks great, but I put in the break-in dvd to look at the white and it looked so dirty on warm.

Same as what I said above but:
1. Use Warm for accuracy
2. Whites on a claibrated plasma will not be a true white...same for my older Sammy and 8g Kuro elite.
post #1616 of 2470
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Same as what I said above but:
1. Use Warm for accuracy
2. Whites on a claibrated plasma will not be a true white...same for my older Sammy and 8g Kuro elite.

Thanks for the info. I just tried that quick change and I agree, much more accurate picture.

So with the new settings and my SM adjustments I've got a really good picture. I know Elwaylites using a 50pz85u, since mine is a 46pz80u the SM settings are the same right?
post #1617 of 2470
Yup, all the way through the 800u and 850u.
There are many more similarities all the way up the ladder than many might realize.

The Warm mode can be off-putting at first......especially if you are used to a cooler(blue) image, but once you get used to it you'll love the accuracy.

I am only at ~50 hours but am excitied to get into my SM next week to see if I can't fix the only downside to this set:
Ornage/red in skin tones on whites--green in skin tones on blacks, thereby helping with the oversaturated foliage shots.
post #1618 of 2470
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Yup, all the way through the 800u and 850u.
There are many more similarities all the way up the ladder than many might realize.

The Warm mode can be off-putting at first......especially if you are used to a cooler(blue) image, but once you get used to it you'll love the accuracy.

I am only at ~50 hours but am excitied to get into my SM next week to see if I can't fix the only downside to this set:
Ornage/red in skin tones on whites--green in skin tones on blacks, thereby helping with the oversaturated foliage shots.

Are you going to be adjusting it per Elwaylites settings? If not, Id be curious with what you end up with. Also, what set do you have?
post #1619 of 2470
I got the 80u.....at first it was a set to get me by until the next panny or pio collabortaed pdp(as I justy couldn't afford a kuro at this time), but if I can solve the last sentence of my first post it will make it hard to get rid of this.

The blacks are very resembling of my 8g kuro elite, which makes me think that if there is a difference in contrast between the 80u-85u-800u-850u, then the blacks would be even lower.
But why then has an 800u been tested at .007 and I am as sure as I can be without a light meter that my 80u is the same.
In my possibly ignorant opinion, I believe there is no IQ difference between the 80u and 85u.(and I don't need a pc input as I wouldn't use my plasma for a monitor anyway)

-jmo
post #1620 of 2470
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

A liitle help for you.
The reason you get the washed out look is because your brightness level is WAY too high.
Change back to light, as a 'dark' black level does nothing good for accuracy, then move your brihghtness down to 52 or lower(maybe down to as low as 46/47).
It will be dimmer but much more accurate and wont have the washed out look.

When I do use light, I set my brightness at 48 and my picture at 60. People or the main areas of focus are not washed out with those settings, but it's the backgrounds that are just not as rich as I would like.

I have found that those lower pic and brightness settings w/ light and the higher pic and brightness settings w/ dark make the picture look almost identical but minus that faded look on backgrounds.
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