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post #391 of 1056
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No, recessed light trims. You can see the black ones I found for the HT above. Baseboard trim I plan to do the same color of my doors, which is a charcaol type grey. Matches the color of my Harmony 880.

Man I hate what the flash brings out, it looks so much better in person. Looking foward to finishing the crown around the soffits and star panels to get things looking nice and clean.
post #392 of 1056
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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

No, recessed light trims. You can see the black ones I found for the HT above. Baseboard trim I plan to do the same color of my doors, which is a charcaol type grey. Matches the color of my Harmony 880.

Man I hate what the flash brings out, it looks so much better in person. Looking foward to finishing the crown around the soffits and star panels to get things looking nice and clean.

Ok got ya. I see them now. I have a drop ceiling that I was contemplating painting and was going to have to paint the can light trim black as well. These would make life that much easier.
post #393 of 1056
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Ya, that was my plan also but having dealt with painting the gymbal lights over the stage as well as some wall plate covers and knowing how picky I am about getting the finish just right I jumped at these when I saw them. Like I said before I still saved half of what these would have cost me with a white trim at Lowes or Home Depot.
post #394 of 1056
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Some minor progress to report.

I have wrapped the columns in between the workout area and pool room as well as the one between the Grafik Eye and closet.

Full column before:




After:




Partial column before:


After:




I still have to trim out the top of the columns for a finished look but they are in place and look great. Also have to paint the caulk line and the floor trim will be installed once the floors are done.

I also picked up a light for my media closet which is well suited for the space. I pretty much leave it stationary but I can swivel it in several directions and provides ample lighting for the space.







This past weekend we were trying to figure out what we want to do for a kitchenette/counter/concession bar area. The Mrs. wants to simply do cabinets in the recessed area and then a counter top which extends along the left wall about 4-5' which we would use as seating area with stools. Then we would have space to put a small 2 seat cafe style type table in the open area in between pool table and counter area. Somewhat like I had originally sketched on this pic, except I show wall cabinets extending to the right from this perspective which wouldn't be the case. The wall cabinets would only be above the recessed cabinets in either case.

Edit: Pic moved below to put side by side and same direction

What I want to do is cabinets and counter top in the recessed area with a 30 inch aisle and then have 2 more cabinets with half wall bar top type set up with stools in front of that. Something like what I had sketched in this next pic.


Her argument is that with the open area and table it provides for more seating and that when we host we really wouldn't be cooking or preparing meals downstairs.

My argument was that this space would be used to prepare drinks, snacks, sandwiches and light meals. All the extra cabinet space could also be used as storage which we need.

Anyhow what do you guys think. Again I'm for the second design but I need some more ammo as she is pretty set on having it done the first way.

Also while we were out we looked at some floor samples. The plan is whatever design we go with as far as setup, is to go with a dark finish for the cabinets so we are going with a lighter finish on the floor. These are the 2 options we came up with so far.

Bamboo


Natural Oak




What do you all think?
post #395 of 1056
Have you considered laminate planks instead? I was looking at the same options as above, but went with this instead for most of the 1st floor: http://www.carpet-wholesale.com/item...shed_Umber.php

A lot of the people can't tell the difference and they are easy to install. I also have a dog and didn't want to deal with the maintenance issues

Room looks great btw!
post #396 of 1056
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Thanks Scawt,

I've seen and installed the laminate planks before. I think your referring to the one's which look like 2 or 3 rows per plank? I gotta say I'm not to crazy about them if those are the ones your referring to.

The ones pitured above are engineered flooring and suitable for basements and it is more of the look we are going for(single planks).
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...ctId=100606082

It seems like the ones on your link are single planks also (5.313 width). Each of the samples I'm showing above are 2 sample pieces put together to get a better feel for how it will actually look.
post #397 of 1056
Oman, nice job on hiding the columns. By the doorway, you wouldn't even know it was there. Sorry, but I tend to like the open area idea more. Though it would be more helpful to have both designs side by side and facing the same way. I kept turning my head sideways to compare . As far as flooring, I like the bamboo one, though interestingly enough I have oak (but red oak) in mine. What kind do you have upstairs? I'd try to match the basement floor to match the rest of the house. I'd vote for the engineered wood floor instead of planks.
post #398 of 1056
I like the bamboo better.

My $.02
post #399 of 1056
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Thanks Queen,

We actaully have a standard poly'd oak 2.75" wide hardwood floor on the 1st level. However the entrance to the basement is in the kitchen and that floor is tiled a neautral cream tile. We figured that we want something different in the basement which would stand out to people when they see it for the first time, thus the wider planks along with a different finish.

The Mrs. also likes the Bamboo and so do a lot of the folks which I'm showing the samples to here at work. It also has a thickness of 9'16 so much thicker than standard laminate or even other engineered wood floors.

That's cool as far as the counter design I want honest opinions, so thanks. Good idea on the pics I didn't even think of that I will edit it to make it easier for others.

ICBM99,

I appreciate the feedback, the bamboo is definately coming out as the front runner.
post #400 of 1056
I like the bamBOO too. The bamboo is what I'd go with..just my 2 cents.

Let's bamboo!
post #401 of 1056
Honestly the rules for theater building change for each individual. There is no "SET BUILD" as far as im concerned. Some people want to go above and beyond with somethings and some dont.

Some can "$$"....Some cant "lack of $$"..

Its really up to you..Do you want 3 layers of sheetrock? You want your room "floating" or standard stick building? You want a ton of sand in your floor? I dont.

I dont have to have my speakers hidden behind a screen or in a wall. That doesnt make a theater. Its just a matter of personal preferace.

Here is what I think about the bare minimals of theater...Take your time. Do what you can within reason. Make sure you install wires before hand and make sure you have lights and outlets wired in...These things are more important than the brand of chairs you decide to use.

All this is just my opinion on the matter.....
post #402 of 1056
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I appreciate the feedback HTanderson, Bamboo will likely be what we go with. Still need to check a couple more options before I can say for sure.

mikieson,

Thanks for chiming in. I agree that the rules are different for everyone and that if I wasn't able to do a dedicated room and simply had to do a projector and surround sound setup in multipurpose area that I would be content with that. The reason behind the title in the thread though is because I am building a dedicated room and while educating myself here on AVS with the different ways one has in regards to building a dedicated space, handling the sound isolation, and the do's and don'ts overall I realized early on that I wouldn't be employing for one reason or another a lot of the more common methods which have been developed here on AVS, other HT sites, and by the various room designers. I often find myself going against what other folks might do, but that's ok cause it works for me. What's great is that at the very least I am educated about the different options and I can try to chime in and help others and let them know how I might go about something a little differently.

The enjoyment which my family, friends, and I are getting from the HT space thus far has been great and I often have to remind visitors that it's not done yet. I get many strange looks and they say "what else could you possibly have to do" If they only knew, how far I could take this.
post #403 of 1056
You cant go wrong with either floor but personally I am an Oak fan.....that said go with whichever looks better with the tile down there as well as your stain and paint colors and then enjoy. You have made good choices thus far and this small choice shouldnt be any different but I had to give Oak a vote.....
post #404 of 1056
I like the bamboo - but I don't have a preference on the counter.
post #405 of 1056
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Well we don't drink alcohol and neither do our friends but love good food. I suppose anything we can do with bar/concession type counter set up we can do with the regular counter along the wall set up. Probably will end going with that set up unless she has a change of heart. I just keep picturing smoothies or ice cream floats or sundays being served up on the bar top.

Oh well, I have to stay consistent with going against what everyone else is doing
post #406 of 1056
that small box in front of the Projektor you have made, is that a trick to made the picture bigger than the Projektor is enable of?
post #407 of 1056
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Basically yes, that is a homemade anamorphic lens. It stretches the image left and right by 33%. I have an external device called a scaler which stretches the image up and down to get rid of the bars in 2:35 (cinemascope) movies.

For more information check out the 2:35 section of the forum in the display area.
post #408 of 1056
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Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

This past weekend we were trying to figure out what we want to do for a kitchenette/counter/concession bar area.

Ok, maybe I am a bit slow but I was having a hard time following your descriptions and which floor plan was which. Maybe it is because I have tomorrow off and I cracked the Captain Morgan open but Anyway.

I don't know who's plan is who's but...

The picture to the left with the countertop, the isle then another coutner top is great but it will eat up a lot of square footage. I was going to do a walk behind bar but they eat up a lot of room.

As for the pic on the right, who wants to sit at a countertop facing a wall?

Just thinking out loud now...

What are you going to use the space for? If you are playing pool, it is nice to have high stools around and a ledge to put a drink on. Maybe some munchies but not a plate of food.

If you are using the theater, you are just out there to get some chow so some countertop to set some stuff out on. Space to make some drinks, a little cabinet space for glasses. Can you say mini-fridge???

As for the storage argument... What do you need to store? The only thing in this room should be what you need in the room. You really have a limited of space you are dealing with.

Lastly. Preparing food? Do you really think you will be preparing food or just drinks? I could see bringing food down that is already prepared but with your set up I think you would be just bringing stuff down to set out.

Keep the pics coming... Looking good.
post #409 of 1056
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All good points RPH, I can see the Captain in your response Did you have one leg up on your computer seat as you typed this?

Both designs are mine, she prefers the one on the right, which was part of the initial concept. I guess both situations puts people facing away from the pool table area, but the thought was sitting at the counter ledge or bar and more less either eating, grabbing some snacks or just generally hanging out and most folks would normally swivel their stools and face the tv or pool table.

Eventually I was thinking of sneaking a smaller display so the people who would be at the bar could face a tv instead of having to turn towards the other one by the pool table, I just had to think of a way to make it my wife's idea.

As far as storage it would be useful for some items which we have taking up space in the upstairs cabinets that aren't used very often except hosting family events and the like.

I guess you right though, I need to just make the room most useful for it's purpose which is to play pool (eventually when I get a pool table), get some snacks and drinks ready for the most part, and overall just lounge with friends during sporting events. A mini fridge is definately part of the plan also.

Thanks for chiming in RPH, do you have babysitting duty today?
post #410 of 1056
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Thanks for chiming in RPH, do you have babysitting duty today?

Been shopping (the manly type... The Orange box, the Blue box and whatever you call Menards). Been collecting all the stuff I need for the bathroom down there. Bought a toilet.. woo hoo. Living on the edge but then I had to hurry home for baby duty so wifey can take other daughter to Dr followed by dance class. Hopefully I will have the flooring down this week... Stay tuned...
post #411 of 1056
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I hear ya about making the rounds to the different shops. Unfortunately we don't have any Menards over in these parts, would be nice to have some variety from Orange and Blue, though Blue's been good to me since they opened up shop 5 minutes from me.

Anyhow the Mrs. and I have been making the rounds and looking at the different flooring options. We considered a second option over the Bamboo because of cost, but when I got home and looked at the samples against each other, I said that we should go with the Bamboo and just deal with the extra cost. The bamboo is a thicker material and appears to be of better quality so it's worth the extra cost, but I figured we're only going to likely do this floor once and we should do it right. So bamboo it is.

We have also decided to go with the simpler set up of the counter to the left if facing the kitchenette. It really works out in the end because it does allow for a more open feel and will allow us to put a table or even possibly 2 in the open area for lounging and hanging out. The counter top area will be a great space to set up snacks and other needed accessories like popcorn, condiments or whatever else. I can also set it off with some undercabinet lighting.

In looking around at what cabinets we want to go with funny enough the best options we've come up with so far are the ones from IKEA. I thought these would be our last choice, but they've actually come out on top. We are getting dark chocolate almost black cabinet doors for the base cabinets and the wall cabinets will have frosted glass with a metal frame and glass shelves. These will also be setoff with the lights inside the cabinets. I will be using the lights they have available at IKEA. A lot of folks in the accessory area of the forum have been using them behind their LCD's. They can change multiple colors but I plan to likely use blue which will highlight the rope lighting in the HT as well as the accent wall which is across the basement from the kitchenette. Ultimately the HT sign I got from Bud will hang on that blue wall and will also be lighted.

Fun times ahead, really looking foward to this part of the build phase although not the cost of it.
post #412 of 1056
You are certainly going way further than I had ever planned. My build was designed to be more basic and less feature-istic.

But man yours is coming along nicely. I'm hoping to have all my cherry trim up, and the screen built and the basic acoustic panels all done by tax day... But that's a fairly tall order considering I have to make some of the knives for the crown molding (I have the raw cherry, so we are milling it and planing it out on our own). Then I'll have the bar left and calibrating/programming the HT room. I still haven't even considering touching the rats nest and equipment rack, but I'm kinda making that part of the craft room build... I do need to build a quick temporary shelf though so what I have isn't quite so ghetto.

One of these days I'll get to updating my thread with pictures. But yours is coming along nicely.
post #413 of 1056
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Thanks will, I've been waiting for those pics. Kind'a been in a rut lately and I have been doing things here and there but progress just feels so slow right now. I'm hoping that will all change once I get the floors in and get the cabinets going.

In other news I just got in the mail my fan kit from cooler guys for my media closet. I was debating wether to go with the cabcool1202 or the traditional bathroom vent fan with an attic stat. When I looked at all the specs of the bath fan I was considereing and the 1202 all the specs were in line including the sones/db levels. The factor that won out was that the 1202 included the stat and the cfm was basically doubled because it's 2 fans vs. one. Hopefully it will work out, pics to come.
post #414 of 1056
That's good. I don't really need a fan for where my rack is going since it's going to be in a room that's fairly large. If I really need to, the cold air return for the house's system is right above the rack area, so I can easily tap into that if necessary.
post #415 of 1056
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I always intended to do a fan just in case but I intially thought that the closet would be fine as is. The first couple of times that we saw a movie or played video games with the closet door closed I quickly realized no way, when I opened the closet door your smacked in the face with a wave of hot air and the PS3 fans would be in turbo mode. Once the door gets opened the heat quickly dissapates, but in my case definately a necessity.

In your case I also believe you will be fine since it's an open room, my solution so far has been to leave the door open and the immediate equipment area never gets hot the way it does with the door closed.
post #416 of 1056
what is the lens made of? maybe i should try it
post #417 of 1056
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what is the lens made of? maybe i should try it

Hello shack_ko welcome to the thread and forum,

You must be referring to my DIY Anamorphic Lens



It's made of wood, lined with velvet and BK7 prisms.
The prisms used for this lens are discussed in detail over on this thread in the 2:35 DIY section.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=889863&page=7

I got the prisms from a unauthorized sale that appeared on the forum. Later on it was discovered that the prisms were obtained from this store.
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l9113d.html

I have to say that I am extremely pleased with their performance. The cost was very minimal considering the that they are BK7 glass and are coated on all sides to prevent unwanted reflections.

The only problem is that Surplus Shed has to have a quantity of 50 ordered before they go ahead and have these produced. This makes for a long wait time if they don't have enough orders. I know of one fellow who posted in the thread above who commented just last week that he is still waiting for his prisms and has been waiting since last year. Your other option is to go with trophy prisms. Here is a thread which discusses the different sources for prisms.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1003683
post #418 of 1056
I got a note from Surplus Shed last week saying they are in stock. I didn't pull the trigger because my throw ratio seems like it might be an issue.

Maybe I should grab them anyways, just in case.
post #419 of 1056
Been reading on this crazy lens thing...Can someone explain it all in "DUMMIES" terms?

Like I know most movies are unfortunately not 16:9...But they are narrower in whatever other aspect ratio.

Soo.....If you go with this lens how does it treat 16:9 movies? And also...The movies play in every aspect ratio as it is...How does this lens really help? Just by stretching the movie??

Just explain it to me "if you will" in easy to understand details......Thanks
post #420 of 1056
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Originally Posted by mikieson View Post

Been reading on this crazy lens thing...Can someone explain it all in "DUMMIES" terms?

Like I know most movies are unfortunately not 16:9...But they are narrower in whatever other aspect ratio.

Soo.....If you go with this lens how does it treat 16:9 movies? And also...The movies play in every aspect ratio as it is...How does this lens really help? Just by stretching the movie??

Just explain it to me "if you will" in easy to understand details......Thanks

Most projectors have a fixed aspect ratio for their panel/lense assembly.

Business ones are 4:3 for power point, HT ones ar 16:9 16:9 = 1.78

The lense are add on optics so that your full panel resolution is spread to be a native 2.35 (or so). I think they are 1.33 lenses, can't remember. You then need a device (some PJ's are internal, or you'll need a scaler) to apply a stretch mode to your source image to distort the pre-lense picture that the lense reverses.

Net result, you use the entire resolution of your projector for the image, with out wasting pixels to have the PJ draw black bars.

Here is a link to the FAQ:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=554901
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