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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
There are two ways you can set up a Rat Shack meter to get a 75db rating. You can set the controls to 70 or set it to 80.

I have found that the results are different in that if you calibrate your system using one setting, and then go to the other to check it out, it is not the same.

If I set the control to 70 db and calibrate all my speakers to be +5db, and then I reset the the controls to 80db (to calibrate -5db), the levels are off by a db or so.
post #2 of 21
I can't comment upon whether this is a problem with the meter or not. But it is all relative. So, use one or the other.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yeah, but it's not that ALL the levels are off the same. I just get different readings when I use one or the other and wonder if others experience the same thing.
post #4 of 21
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Yeah, but it's not that ALL the levels are off the same

Did you consider that the Ratshack device is a POS?

Borrow a real SPL meter.
post #5 of 21
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Did you consider that the Ratshack device is a POS?

Borrow a real SPL meter.

Have you ever considered that your Yamaha RXV663 AVR is a POS as compared to the better amp/pre-pro's out there? It's all relative.

The Ratshack meter is the one that I have at the moment. I KNOW that there are better meters out there. I'm just asking if others have had the same experience and if they did, which one of the control settings seemed to be more accurate, and believe me, I am NOT under the false assumption that either of them would be as accurate as a better meter
post #6 of 21
It does not matter for calibration purposes. Use one or the other scale. Anyone who thinks that 75 dB on any SPL meter is exactly 75 dB is just fooling themselves. Look at the tolerance specified in the instruction book. That is why no SPL meter should be trusted to give you any precise number. They don't give you those tolerance numbers just for fun!

By the way, I had to change the mike element in my RS SPL meter (static discharge blew it). The CAL adjustment on the side of the Digital meter is used to make 75 dB read the same number on different scales. The actual "calibration" adjustment is inside the meter so people can not play with it.

Also, make sure your batteries are not getting weak. The first thing that is done at a calibration lab before calibration is performed is to install fresh batteries!
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by cavu View Post

Did you consider that the Ratshack device is a POS?

Borrow a real SPL meter.


Why? Use something like True RTA instead of a toy SPL meter!
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Why? Use something like True RTA instead of a toy SPL meter!

I can't disagree.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Anyone who thinks that 75 dB on any SPL meter is exactly 75 dB is just fooling themselves. Look at the tolerance specified in the instruction book. That is why no SPL meter should be trusted to give you any precise number. They don't give you those tolerance numbers just for fun!

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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

...............a toy SPL meter!

True, not accurate but the results are pretty darned reproducible for a toy.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

True, not accurate but the results are pretty darned reproducible for a toy.

"reproducible"
post #11 of 21
Is it safe to say that the rs meter is reliably inaccurate when calibrating speaker levels with pink noise? For example, it is -2db off across the board. I dont really care if I am at 75db or 73db as long as all my speakers are calibrated to the same level. Or is the rs meter completely all over the place?
post #12 of 21
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"reproducible"

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Originally Posted by Hot Grits View Post

Is it safe to say that the rs meter is reliably inaccurate when calibrating speaker levels with pink noise? For example, it is -2db off across the board. I dont really care if I am at 75db or 73db as long as all my speakers are calibrated to the same level. Or is the rs meter completely all over the place?

Yes, provided you don't move the meter, there is very little variance between successive measurements. It is not accurate, but it IS precise. If you calibrate all the speakers to 75dB, the SPL that is being measured by the meter's mic, at the meter's exact location and position, IS identical. So, no, it is not "all over the place".
post #13 of 21
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It is not accurate, but it IS precise.

A stopped clock is precisely accurate twice a day!
post #14 of 21
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A stopped clock is precisely accurate twice a day!

very true

Although Heisenberg may disagree.
post #15 of 21
There is nothing wrong whatsoever with using the RS meter for calibrating speaker levels. It is very valid for a comparison measurement, which is all you really need it for. Who cares if the absolute level is off 1-2 dB?
post #16 of 21
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Although Heisenberg may disagree.

Hmmm ... I'm "uncertain" about that!
post #17 of 21
Well, it's the "principle" of the matter...
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post #19 of 21
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Is this what you intended??

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by rynberg View Post

There is nothing wrong whatsoever with using the RS meter for calibrating speaker levels. It is very valid for a comparison measurement, which is all you really need it for. Who cares if the absolute level is off 1-2 dB?

This is the right answer. The RS meter is not a POS. There are more accurate devices but they cost a lot more. And they're more accurate mainly at high frequencies which are difficult to measure even with a better device. For balancing speaker volumes at low and mid frequencies the RS meter is perfectly adequate.

--Ethan
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Why? Use something like True RTA instead of a toy SPL meter!

I agree with Ethan on the utility of the RS meter.

As for True RTA, it is an extremely useful tool. But it must be calibrated to some absolute reference sound level, because otherwise, all frequency measurements with it are only relative.

And where does that absolute level come from? You could use a reference microphone with a calibrator attachment matched to its capsule. But these are rather expensive, and we acousticians are generally the only ones who need them.

Or you could use a cheap RS meter, and be within a dB or two of absolute sound level.

Regards,
Terry
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