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post #241 of 359
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Originally Posted by ChrisW6ATV View Post

Thanks for the tip. I had no idea you could receive an AM HD station in digital but not good enough for stereo. I will try this trick with my new Onkyo receiver.

AM HD Radio stations broadcasting in stereo send two streams and one is the L-R signal just like FM stereo. Unfortunately it's a less "robust" stream than the L+R stream so you need a solid signal to get it reliably.
post #242 of 359
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Originally Posted by DRAMROCK View Post

Have you tried ordering online? They are common on Amazon and ebay.

I bought mine at Fry's.

actually it looks like something is up

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...G/afreward-20/

$40 bucks more now...that's a 40% jump

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...8/afreward-20/

so they have it....BUT
it ships between one to two months!!
post #243 of 359
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Originally Posted by mdovell View Post

actually it looks like something is up

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...G/afreward-20/

$40 bucks more now...that's a 40% jump

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...8/afreward-20/

so they have it....BUT
it ships between one to two months!!

The second link to Amazon has the price down to just under $86, so I bit. Often the shipping estimates for Amazon are off, so I'm hoping that it doesn't actually take that long.

Scott
post #244 of 359
I actually like the Coby HDR650 better. It works just the same but doesn't overheat. There's a lot of them starting at $86 on Amazon. The only drawback I found is the tiny remote that's hard to use and lack of buttons on the unit itself.
post #245 of 359
So far mines never actually overheated, it just runs hotter then some gear. My old Sony receiver was the same way, ran hot but sounded nice and never had a heat related problem.
My Onkyo 777 I replaced it with actually has a 80mm fan that only comes on when the outputs really start heating up, never even knew it had one till I was running some test tones...years later
post #246 of 359
I purchased the Sony XDR-F1HD used off of Amazon marketplace for $67 delivered. My first expression is wow!

This radio sounds absolutely great with analog FM. HD radio streams will vary based upon bandwidth and how much compression the radio station is applying to the transmission chain. Still, when the Sony gets a good signal lock the better HD stations sound superior to the already excellent analog FM playback.

As others have noted, things are more pedestrian on AM reception. My reception is pretty challenging as I'm an a first floor condo with the standard Southern California chicken wire and sprayed stucco construction. My windows all face east, yet most of the stations that I want are to the south (through another two condo units).

I'm going to take stevec50's advice and try a 102" CB antenna from Radio Shack out on the porch to see if I can get better reception. I've heard pretty good things about using an 8' dipole for FM reception; I was surprised to hear that this might work well for AM reception as well.

Overall this Sony HD tuner is an excellent tuner. I'd recommend trying one out if you can find it in stock. Even if you decide you don't like it, you should be able to eBay it for about what you paid for it.

I'm really happy to find a product that works this well for such a low price. Listening to the radio is fun again!
post #247 of 359
I/we listen to the radio a LOT more since I got this and a Dual HD radio for the cars. Glad to see people still discovering this little performance bargain. I really like the station here that only plays local wet coast bands as their HD2 channel. I've been hearing some really excellent music that probably will never get any play anywhere else and I hope other stations across the country are doing similar things so new music can get out there rather then all the clear station pop crap and whatever we get force fed.
I wonder how much longer they will sell this guy and whether they are going to do another version with more bells and whistles and the same or better tuner.
post #248 of 359
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Originally Posted by JimboG View Post

I'm going to take stevec50's advice and try a 102" CB antenna from Radio Shack out on the porch to see if I can get better reception. I've heard pretty good things about using an 8' dipole for FM reception; I was surprised to hear that this might work well for AM reception as well.

It doesn't have to be a full 102" antenna, an ordinary car radio antenna will work just fine if you can't find one or don't have a lot of room. A full 102" antenna is the best one I found but even a 48" antenna works pretty well as long as it doesn't have loading coils or capacitors in it to tune it to 27Mhz.
I never heard of an 8' dipole for FM but a Radio Shack yagi for FM will work well if it needs to be highly directional. Otherwise a regular VHF TV antenna works well. One problem with the Sony tuner is having 2 different antenna inputs that have to be connected for FM and AM. I use my roof top TV antenna for FM and the CB whip for AM but the whip also works good for FM if I switch it over.
post #249 of 359
If you want a whip you can use the Magnum-Dynalab ST-2:

http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmantenna-st2.htm

That's what I use for my Sony in a condo.
post #250 of 359
You could use the Magnum-Dynalab ST-2 but it's needlessly expensive at $109.95. You can get a car radio or CB antenna for $10 or less if you shop around.
post #251 of 359
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Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

The second link to Amazon has the price down to just under $86, so I bit. Often the shipping estimates for Amazon are off, so I'm hoping that it doesn't actually take that long.

Scott

I just got an email notice tonight that my order has been cancelled. Amazon is unable to get any more of these units.

Scott
post #252 of 359
crutchfield site: "This product is expected in stock on 5/26/2009"
post #253 of 359
The Sonystyle web site says the item is out of stock.
post #254 of 359
There's some zshop on amazon selling it for $260!http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

So going from $99 to $140 to $260!

I'm a young man but usually electronics goes DOWN in price. The only exception being the Coleco Adam way back in 1983.

maybe this proves the demand for hd?
post #255 of 359
Several places showed June or July as the anticipated restocking date, but if Amazon is now saying "We're not getting any more ever," I sorta begin to doubt the other places' dates.

What is with Sony lately? First their 920 receiver, now this - As soon as any piece of Sony electronics actually gets good reviews, Sony immediately discontinues or stops shipping them!

The last couple of these tuners on eBay went for $150-$170.
post #256 of 359
I'm sure they didn't stop shipping them on purpose just to frustrate you. They probably just ran out. Manufacturers tend to make products in batches, depending on how many they think they can sell. They don't want to make too many because they will just end up in landfills and parts are expensive so they will do some market analysis then order the parts so if their analysis showed they should be able to sell 10,000 units they will order 10,000 sets of parts and build the units and ship them out to the distributors then wait to see what happens. If they all sell out right away they usually order more parts to build more but there is generally a long lead time and it can take as long as a year to get some of the parts from the manufacturers who don't want to build too many either. Also you have to consider that HD radios haven't been selling in huge numbers because people didn't even know they were available and stores didn't have them in stock and the companies like Sony don't want to be stuck with a lot of units they can't sell. If you consider how retailers are misleading buyers it's a wonder that any of them sell at all. I went to Best Buy a couple of years ago looking for HD radios and all they had was the Boston unit for a high price. I went back last year and didn't see any at all so I asked the salesman and was told they had been phased out because they didn't sell! In the meantime Radio Shack had the
Accurian for $179 which is a nice unit with good sound but they didn't advertise it and I never saw one in stores but I recently got one on ebay from a surplus liquidator for $35! There's currently a Radio Accurian on ebay for $60 but if you are looking for a tuner Amazon has the Coby HDR650 for $85. That's a nice unit, similar to the Sony but smaller because the power supply is outside, not inside the cabinet so it doesn't get as hot.
post #257 of 359
Anyone who didn't know or care about HD Radio and was just looking for an excellent FM tuner couldn't do better than the F1HD. The market for AM/FM tuners is probably even smaller than HD Radio tuners since nearly every A/V receiver and amplifier has a half-decent analog radio tuner in it.
post #258 of 359
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Anyone who didn't know or care about HD Radio and was just looking for an excellent FM tuner couldn't do better than the F1HD. The market for AM/FM tuners is probably even smaller than HD Radio tuners since nearly every A/V receiver and amplifier has a half-decent analog radio tuner in it.

Yes they could but nobody buys stereo components anymore because, like you said, every A/V receiver comes with a tuner built in. Besides, you can pick up a nice AM/FM tuner at Goodwill for $10-$15.
post #259 of 359
The case where you'd want a tuner like the F1HD is if you're in a patchy area and you need a really sensitive receiver to get that one station you want to listen to and the cheap tuner they put in your A/V receiver isn't good enough. This is a very small market of course.

Unfortunately the F1HD doesn't help with multipath so it won't help everyone (like me).
post #260 of 359
Amazon has the Sony XDRF1HD in stock again for $86.31 and they also have the Coby HDR650 for $83.99.
http://www.warehousedeals.com/Sony-X...B00168Q248.htm
http://www.warehousedeals.com/Coby-H...B001DU1ZHS.htm
post #261 of 359
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Originally Posted by stevec50 View Post

Amazon has the Sony XDRF1HD in stock again for $86.31 and they also have the Coby HDR650 for $83.99.
http://www.warehousedeals.com/Sony-X...B00168Q248.htm
http://www.warehousedeals.com/Coby-H...B001DU1ZHS.htm

Thanks for the tip on the Sony. Unfortunately, Amazon says it will ship in one to two months, which is what it said the last time I put through an order. Which they eventually cancelled.

Hopefully, I'll have better luck this time.

Scott
post #262 of 359
Today they show a used one in stock for $76.99 that can be shipped by June 9th if I order in the next 5 hours and choose one day shipping and a new one from J&R for $99 that ships in 6 - 10 business days with Expedited shipping available. I guess you have to keep checking everyday of you really want one.
post #263 of 359
I wonder if the Fry's stores still have any for those of us close to one. Back when they first were released I drove to my Fry's and they had like 10 on the shelf for retail price so I bought one.
I don't go there all the time as it's a pretty good trip just to hang out but they do have their Outpost online store as well so might be worth checking on for folks close or willing to buy online anyways just in case. OK, it's been a while since I looked at the address to their site, they have changed it to just frys.com for a while now.
OK I checked online and it's out of stock but says MAY be available in store, mine is out of stock at the Wilsonville OR store supposedly. You can enter you zip and see if your store has any in stock after you try to place an order.
post #264 of 359
I haven't been to Frys in a while but now Amazon has one for $47.99 with free shipping!
post #265 of 359
Great deal even if it's used as long as it comes with everything and is in good shape.
post #266 of 359
sounds pretty tempting I might have it a go. Now it only figures that this large antenna I used to have oddly is gone. it was excellent too I used to use it on a voom box for ota.
post #267 of 359
Well sold out again!

three hours after my last post there's no more $50 ones..
post #268 of 359
Just got a message from Amazon tonight that the Sony I ordered on the 7th shipped today.

Scott
post #269 of 359
Yea it appears these are back. In stock at amazon and J&R. I suspect they will be everywhere soon.
post #270 of 359
Looks like onecall has them too, and free shipping.

It figures, since my $140 eBay one arrived about ten days ago. At the time, I just figured paying the extra $40 was worth it sorta as 'insurance,' in case the thing had been discontinued, so no worries.
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