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post #2911 of 3237
Awesome. It's cheap compared to what I've been looking at, too. Thanks a ton!
post #2912 of 3237
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Originally Posted by mzupeman View Post

Awesome. It's cheap compared to what I've been looking at, too. Thanks a ton!

One other thought... Chief also has a tilt mount that can pull out at the botton as well as the top... the bottom pullout is to facilitate cabling, which you mentioned as a concern. The model for your display is a PLP-2534:

http://www.chiefmfg.com/productdetai...ProductID=2555

Street price for that one seems to be around $210.
post #2913 of 3237
So the one for $100 you should me only tilts downward, but the second one will tilt either way?

What I'm doing this for, is basically to get this TV off the stand that has the TV at viewing height. My wife and I want to have a kid, so I'm planning ahead so these expenses don't just creep up on us. It will be a little above viewing height, and I really will only have one set of component cables plugged into the TV, and one HDMI cable, as everything will be running through a receiver. The component cables I use are of decent quality, somebody bought them for me years ago as a gift and are THX, and aren't incredibly flexible. Once I get the cables in, I won't need/want regular access to the back of the TV. I just don't want to spend a ton of money on a mount that could potentially bend the cable to a point where it might not be ideal for the life of the cable. So the concern I have is only this respect. I know there are some mounts out there that allow you to pull it away from the wall a little bit, anything like that in the $200 range? Tilt will absolutely be important as well, but the ability to pull it away from the wall a bit would be SWEET. I'll spend more if I have to, I'm more about convenience than anything I guess.
post #2914 of 3237
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Originally Posted by mzupeman View Post

So the one for $100 you should me only tilts downward, but the second one will tilt either way?

What I'm doing this for, is basically to get this TV off the stand that has the TV at viewing height. My wife and I want to have a kid, so I'm planning ahead so these expenses don't just creep up on us. It will be a little above viewing height, and I really will only have one set of component cables plugged into the TV, and one HDMI cable, as everything will be running through a receiver. The component cables I use are of decent quality, somebody bought them for me years ago as a gift and are THX, and aren't incredibly flexible. Once I get the cables in, I won't need/want regular access to the back of the TV. I just don't want to spend a ton of money on a mount that could potentially bend the cable to a point where it might not be ideal for the life of the cable. So the concern I have is only this respect. I know there are some mounts out there that allow you to pull it away from the wall a little bit, anything like that in the $200 range? Tilt will absolutely be important as well, but the ability to pull it away from the wall a bit would be SWEET. I'll spend more if I have to, I'm more about convenience than anything I guess.

The QUALITY pullout mounts for a display this size are all in the $500 plus range. Another consideration with a pullout mount is secure attachment to wall... with the pullout style mounts the TV exerts a large force on the wall when extended... plywood blocking spanning at least three studs is typically recommended for a safe installation.
post #2915 of 3237
Well, scratch that then. I'd most likely only have the two studs to attach the TV to. I guess I'm really not concerned about it, as long as the cables can get in the TV without harming the cable by bending it at TOO much of an angle, I'm good.
post #2916 of 3237
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Originally Posted by mzupeman View Post

Well, scratch that then. I'd most likely only have the two studs to attach the TV to. I guess I'm really not concerned about it, as long as the cables can get in the TV without harming the cable by bending it at TOO much of an angle, I'm good.

I understand the concern... the connector panel on the flat back surface of these TVs is not their best feature. You can always add some right angle RCA adaptors if your component cables have long connector bodies.
post #2917 of 3237
I guess it's a workaround everyone has to deal with though. I guess I'll end up trying that first one you suggested around the $100 price range. I have no real need for a tilt up feature, it's how the cables rest in the end that may end up being bothersome. After all, you did say it left room for cabling. And besides, once I get my new receiver in a month or so, I probably won't have to use that THX component cable, I'll just use the flexible one that came with my DVR from Time Warner as I'll probably use an HDMI for it instead as I'll have the extra port. Thanks for all the help!
post #2918 of 3237
I regretfully upgraded my 1002.1 firmware to 1006.1 to make the quality of SD content better for my girlfriend, but Im pretty sure it made my HD content look worse. I know there is no way to roll back the driver, but there is way to reset the settings to 1002.1 firmware. As I learnt from my 61f, all firmware updates do is change the settings within the service menu. If someone with 1002.1 can take pictures of all the settings within all the menus, we all can have a way to use 1002.1 firmware settings. They can take a picture of all menus, their values, and post it here. It does not harm your TV to go into the Service Menu if you dont change anything that shouldnt be changed, nor does it void your warranty.
post #2919 of 3237
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Originally Posted by muusicguy View Post

I regretfully upgraded my 1002.1 firmware to 1006.1 to make the quality of SD content better for my girlfriend, but Im pretty sure it made my HD content look worse. I know there is no way to roll back the driver, but there is way to reset the settings to 1002.1 firmware. As I learnt from my 61f, all firmware updates do is change the settings within the service menu. If someone with 1002.1 can take pictures of all the settings within all the menus, we all can have a way to use 1002.1 firmware settings. They can take a picture of all menus, their values, and post it here. It does not harm your TV to go into the Service Menu if you dont change anything that shouldnt be changed, nor does it void your warranty.

You are likely correct that a large part of the firmware update is the modification of default service menu settings. But that also means that whatever user menu settings you had changed are no longer correct appropriate. You might want to try adjusting your user menu settings instead... possibly try clicq's well regarded settings for 1006 as a starting point.
post #2920 of 3237
Thanks Jcal, but Ive tried all that and nothing gives it the liquidy blacks, with pop it had before.
post #2921 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Pagoona View Post

I tried clicq's calibrations for firmware 1000-102.2 and it looked incredible. The only difference I had to make was to turn energy saving off, because it looked a little too dim in my room. Then I realized my firmware was 1008.0, so I tried his calibration 1006.1 (I've read that there are no discernable differences between 1006-1008) and it didn't look nearly as good. Has anybody else experienced the same results as me?

I am NOT a calibrator or an expert on anything, BUT...

I have been reading the comments that one calibration setting that is great on one set will look different on another. I can say with personal experience that this is true. On my 46 incher, I used all the calibration settings on this forum, only to find none of them really quite fit the bill FOR MY SET, especially with color accuracy and white balance.

However, as a layperson, I was able to tweak out some beautiful settings of my own with minimal equipment, and I encourage any frustrated person out there to use the best tool you have. Your own eyes. Starting with Black Adjust at Low and Gamma -2 (borrowed from someone else's settings and really helped my blacks and popping), I set color space to auto or native, depending on which looked accurate to me (auto for broadcast TV and native for DVD). Used THX calibration from Star Wars DVD for color, tint, brightness, contrast. Then I adjusted white balance based on what I saw - found a channel or DVD program playing a bright, outdoor daylight scene and adjusted RGB offset to get any discoloring out of black (25's made mine look slightly green) and RGB gains to make white look white (made small adjustments, nothing major here). 1008.1 Firmware. Came out with a very satisfying result! Keep the backlight between 3 and 6, try to not go higher. For me, this turned out far better than someone else's settings and only took about 20-30 minutes of my time. Lighting in scenes looks natural now and colors stand out nicely. Be warned, however, that on TV broadcasts, some channels (FOX, NBC) look great while local channels sometimes look greenish or not quite right - well, it's what they are broadcasting, not my TV.

This is, of course, not to downplay professional calibration. I greatly respect someone's ability to do what I could never do. I just can't afford that. So, for someone who is not a pro and just isn't happy with other people's settings, go make your own anyway, IMHO. You will feel better about it, I hope.

I won't post my numbers. They won't look good on your TV. My white balance adjustments were small, though. TV is a "C" panel (if you still think that makes a difference) and manufactured in late January 2009.

Super happy with Samsung.
post #2922 of 3237
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Originally Posted by skunkybeer View Post

i am not a calibrator or an expert on anything, but...

I have been reading the comments that one calibration setting that is great on one set will look different on another. I can say with personal experience that this is true. On my 46 incher, i used all the calibration settings on this forum, only to find none of them really quite fit the bill for my set, especially with color accuracy and white balance.

However, as a layperson, i was able to tweak out some beautiful settings of my own with minimal equipment, and i encourage any frustrated person out there to use the best tool you have. Your own eyes. Starting with black adjust at low and gamma -2 (borrowed from someone else's settings and really helped my blacks and popping), i set color space to auto or native, depending on which looked accurate to me (auto for broadcast tv and native for dvd). Used thx calibration from star wars dvd for color, tint, brightness, contrast. Then i adjusted white balance based on what i saw - found a channel or dvd program playing a bright, outdoor daylight scene and adjusted rgb offset to get any discoloring out of black (25's made mine look slightly green) and rgb gains to make white look white (made small adjustments, nothing major here). 1008.1 firmware. Came out with a very satisfying result! Keep the backlight between 3 and 6, try to not go higher. For me, this turned out far better than someone else's settings and only took about 20-30 minutes of my time. Lighting in scenes looks natural now and colors stand out nicely. Be warned, however, that on tv broadcasts, some channels (fox, nbc) look great while local channels sometimes look greenish or not quite right - well, it's what they are broadcasting, not my tv.

This is, of course, not to downplay professional calibration. I greatly respect someone's ability to do what i could never do. I just can't afford that. So, for someone who is not a pro and just isn't happy with other people's settings, go make your own anyway, imho. You will feel better about it, i hope.

I won't post my numbers. They won't look good on your tv. My white balance adjustments were small, though. Tv is a "c" panel (if you still think that makes a difference) and manufactured in late january 2009.

Super happy with samsung.

+1
post #2923 of 3237
Greetings,

For a little over half an year I own an Samsung LE32A557P2F ever since then I barely used it due to being very busy.

Recently I started enjoying the TV a bit more, got a Ps3 and X360 hooked up via hdmi aswel.

What I was looking for were the optimal settings to use with the tv, since im kinda terrible with them, however im not sure if this is the right thread despite my tv being a 5series model, its not a LN but LE starting product number.

The current firmware on the tv is 1022.0 which got installed about 10 minutes ago, in the opening post I only saw 1002.0 settings, which seems to be outdated, or are these still fine?

Any new configurations for the 1022.0 firmware?
post #2924 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Volturnus View Post

Greetings,

For a little over half an year I own an Samsung LE32A557P2F ever since then I barely used it due to being very busy.

Recently I started enjoying the TV a bit more, got a Ps3 and X360 hooked up via hdmi aswel.

What I was looking for were the optimal settings to use with the tv, since im kinda terrible with them, however im not sure if this is the right thread despite my tv being a 5series model, its not a LN but LE starting product number.

The current firmware on the tv is 1022.0 which got installed about 10 minutes ago, in the opening post I only saw 1002.0 settings, which seems to be outdated, or are these still fine?

Any new configurations for the 1022.0 firmware?

LE is the European version, correct? LN is North American. The highest FW version we've seen for the LN series is 1008, with 1006 being the highest available for download and upgrade.

There are several calibrations posted here for LN FWs 1006, 1007 & 1008. Calibration settings rarely are perfect matches for another TV, even of the same FW version, but possibly one of the newer ones published here might be a better match for you.
post #2925 of 3237
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Originally Posted by skunkybeer View Post

I am NOT a calibrator or an expert on anything, BUT...

I have been reading the comments that one calibration setting that is great on one set will look different on another. I can say with personal experience that this is true. On my 46 incher, I used all the calibration settings on this forum, only to find none of them really quite fit the bill FOR MY SET, especially with color accuracy and white balance.

However, as a layperson, I was able to tweak out some beautiful settings of my own with minimal equipment, and I encourage any frustrated person out there to use the best tool you have. Your own eyes. Starting with Black Adjust at Low and Gamma -2 (borrowed from someone else's settings and really helped my blacks and popping), I set color space to auto or native, depending on which looked accurate to me (auto for broadcast TV and native for DVD). Used THX calibration from Star Wars DVD for color, tint, brightness, contrast. Then I adjusted white balance based on what I saw - found a channel or DVD program playing a bright, outdoor daylight scene and adjusted RGB offset to get any discoloring out of black (25's made mine look slightly green) and RGB gains to make white look white (made small adjustments, nothing major here). 1008.1 Firmware. Came out with a very satisfying result! Keep the backlight between 3 and 6, try to not go higher. For me, this turned out far better than someone else's settings and only took about 20-30 minutes of my time. Lighting in scenes looks natural now and colors stand out nicely. Be warned, however, that on TV broadcasts, some channels (FOX, NBC) look great while local channels sometimes look greenish or not quite right - well, it's what they are broadcasting, not my TV.

This is, of course, not to downplay professional calibration. I greatly respect someone's ability to do what I could never do. I just can't afford that. So, for someone who is not a pro and just isn't happy with other people's settings, go make your own anyway, IMHO. You will feel better about it, I hope.

I won't post my numbers. They won't look good on your TV. My white balance adjustments were small, though. TV is a "C" panel (if you still think that makes a difference) and manufactured in late January 2009.

Super happy with Samsung.


Exactly!

I am in the same boat as you. I don't make a lot of money. I was lucky to be able to get the TV I have because of an unexpectedly high tax refund (had a second kid, which I claimed and HOLY COW is that EIC a check booster!) and with the crappy economy, reduced work hours and bills falling behind, I absolutely cannot justify the cost of an ISF Calibration. Hell, I can't even afford to get a PS3 yet!

So I use a THX Optimizer to do my set calibration. I have gone one step further than skunkybeer and I've set my Color Space to "Custom" and adjusted the individual colors using the color bar that comes with the optimizer. I've also used the Blue Only Mode to get the Tint and Color bars as close to optimal as possible. It works wonders.

Skunkybeer: since you have a THX DVD in your collection I highly suggest you do a complete color adjustment using the color bar in the Optimizer. It will improve your set more than just about anything else with the exception of white balance/greyscale. As good as your set looks now, it can look better. When I went and checked the colors in my set, the yellow was WAY off. After reducing the red, deepening the green, brightening the blue and fixing the yellow, the difference was astounding.

Give it a shot, I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the results.
post #2926 of 3237
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

LE is the European version, correct? LN is North American. The highest FW version we've seen for the LN series is 1008, with 1006 being the highest available for download and upgrade.

There are several calibrations posted here for LN FWs 1006, 1007 & 1008. Calibration settings rarely are perfect matches for another TV, even of the same FW version, but possibly one of the newer ones published here might be a better match for you.


It indeed is an european version.

Ill just give it a try, Im planning to get a 40+ foor the living room soon anyway, and get it profesionally calibrated.
post #2927 of 3237
Hello

I have also a european lcd and tried jcalabria settings and looked pretty good.
Try his settings and also ellisda1 settings and see what the best ones for you.
post #2928 of 3237
Does anyone by chance have calibration settings for a LN52B550?

Thanks
post #2929 of 3237
I have to say, I'm still utilizing the factory firmware that was on my TV when I got it like a year ago, using cliq's infamous settings that were considered the standard for a while (except I used Warm 1 as opposed to Warm 2, or whatever the settings are), and I've been happy with the result since day 1. I'm wicked happy with my 46A550, loads better than the old Sony I used to have.
post #2930 of 3237
Could someone explain to me the difference between the brightness control vs gamma control? I'm trying to decide which is better when using a vga connection.

I'm not positive, but it seems like brightness effects black level only (so lowering brightness should have no effect on contrast/white level) where gamma lowers both black and white level in even steps?
post #2931 of 3237
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Originally Posted by HistoneMaster View Post

Could someone explain to me the difference between the brightness control vs gamma control? I'm trying to decide which is better when using a vga connection.

I'm not positive, but it seems like brightness effects black level only (so lowering brightness should have no effect on contrast/white level) where gamma lowers both black and white level in even steps?

Brightness sets the absolute black level. Gamma controls the rate at which shades of gray transition from black towards white. The Black Adjust control is also a form of gamma control that effects only the darker end of the grayscale.

All of these interact with each other to an extent, so if you adjust the gamma or black adjust you will likely need to recheck brightness afterwards.
post #2932 of 3237
Without trying to find my manual, or reading every page of this thread... Can anyone tell me if there is a way that I can get sound out of PIP instead of my main screen.

See, I have my A550 as a monitor, but I would love to watch TV in the PIP window by including sound... Is there any way to switch the sound off the main & transfer it to the PIP?
post #2933 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Mikewarrior View Post

Without trying to find my manual, or reading every page of this thread... Can anyone tell me if there is a way that I can get sound out of PIP instead of my main screen.

See, I have my A550 as a monitor, but I would love to watch TV in the PIP window by including sound... Is there any way to switch the sound off the main & transfer it to the PIP?

That option is on the TV's menu. Hit menu on your remote and navigate to the sound options and scroll to find it. I can't remember off the top of my head where exactly it is and the TV is off and in another room but it should be pretty intuitive.
post #2934 of 3237
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Originally Posted by CSSPalmettoState View Post

That option is on the TV's menu. Hit menu on your remote and navigate to the sound options and scroll to find it. I can't remember off the top of my head where exactly it is and the TV is off and in another room but it should be pretty intuitive.

Tried it... I turned the Main sound to Sub - I didn't know that changed once you go into PIP.

It worked...Thanks a lot!

[EDIT] Btw... This set is an amazing PC Monitor.
post #2935 of 3237
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Originally Posted by CSSPalmettoState View Post

That option is on the TV's menu. Hit menu on your remote and navigate to the sound options and scroll to find it. I can't remember off the top of my head where exactly it is and the TV is off and in another room but it should be pretty intuitive.

"Sound Select" - change to "Sub" to select PiP audio.
post #2936 of 3237
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

"Sound Select" - change to "Sub" to select PiP audio.

Got it.. Thanks also. The channel change has a lot to be desired... Can I add/delete channels?

I also have to do that sound switch every time I turn PIP on, right?
post #2937 of 3237
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Originally Posted by clicq View Post

Alright, the girlfriend finally finished MGS4, so I got some time to play a bit more with the settings. I changed the settings on my PS3 to disable superwhite mode, because I found it was just making video level white less white. (As a reminder, my PS3 is hooked up via HDMI into HDMI1.)

The firmware on my TV at the time of these settings was 1002.2.

In these settings, I tried to tone down the red a bit but still keep everything as accurate as I could. These settings should be appropriate for any HD device connected through HDMI except for possibly PCs which should use my previous settings.

Most accurate settings
(This with the mode at movie). You must change the mode to movie. It's the first option in the picture menu. You will not be able to choose warm1 or warm2 if you don't!
Backlight = 6
Contrast = 85
Brightness = 49
Sharpness = 0
Color = 50
Tint = G50/R50

DETAILED SETTINGS

Black Adjust = Off
Dynamic Contrast = Off
Gamma = 0
Color Space = Custom
Red: R33 - G0 - B0
Green: R18 - G52 - B0
Blue: R11 - G0 - B51
Yellow: R49 - G53 - B0
Cyan: R22 - G46 - B56
Magenta: R37 - G0 - B43
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = Off
Xycc = Off

WHITE BALANCE

R-Offset = 26
G-Offset = 25
B-Offset = 22
R-Gain = 30
G-Gain = 25
B-Gain = 25

PICTURE OPTIONS

Color Tone = Warm 2
Digital N/R = Off
HDMI Black Level = Low (actually it's disabled when playing Blu-ray) <-- set this according to your source! If you use a PC, or a PS3/Xbox360 with expanded RGB levels, you might need to set this to normal!
Film Mode = off (disabled)
Blue Mode = Off

Energy Saving = Medium
Entertainment modes = Off
Off
Gamma = 0
Color Space = Auto (or set it to custom above)
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = Off
Xycc = Off

WHITE BALANCE

R-Offset = 25
G-Offset = 25
B-Offset = 26
R-Gain = 37
G-Gain = 25
B-Gain = 0

PICTURE OPTIONS

Color Tone = Normal
Digital N/R = Off
HDMI Black Level = Low (actually it's disabled when playing Blu-ray)
Film Mode = off (disabled)
Blue Mode = Off

Energy Saving = Medium
Entertainment modes = Off


I just tried these settings, but HDMI Black Level wasn't available for me to adjust. Any idea what's going on?
post #2938 of 3237
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Originally Posted by mummer43 View Post

I just tried these settings, but HDMI Black Level wasn't available for me to adjust. Any idea what's going on?

HDMI Black Level is available only if the source is using RGB for the image data. If the source is using YCbCr, HDMI Black Level is greyed out. When greyed out, i.e., not applicable, it says Normal but is really Low.
post #2939 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

HDMI Black Level is available only if the source is using RGB for the image data. If the source is using YCbCr, HDMI Black Level is greyed out. When greyed out, i.e., not applicable, it says Normal but is really Low.

How can I tell what the source is?
post #2940 of 3237
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Originally Posted by mummer43 View Post

How can I tell what the source is?

The easiest way to see is by looking to see if the hdmi black level is available! Hehe you walked into that one!

Anyway you control that it, it's in dvd player/blu-ray player/cable box settings menu. That's where you look-- in the settings menu.
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