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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I've been a plasma owner since 2004 and very happy. I have preached the benefits of "staying true to the source" for a long time. However, it all came crashing down on me a couple years ago when I walked into a Bang & Olufson store. They had a plasma connected to a video processor that gave Master and Commander (as well as some other films) a buttery smooth look. I loved it! Since then, I've been seeking similar technology.

My experience was relived at Best Buy the other night where I saw two 40" LCDs (a Sony and a Samsung) playing Pirates of the Carribean that not only drove their panels at 120Hz, but also utilized full-scene motion interpolation. I did notice some artifacting, but the image was so smooth and lifelike that it blew my mind! It's been almost a week and I can't get it out of my head. Honestly, whatever biases I once held regarding source material has completely changed.

So my questions would be as follows:

1. Who offers the best motion-interpolation technology (most fluid with least artifacts)?

2. Any plasmas offer comparable technology?

3. Good things come to those who wait... anything in particular I should be waiting for in the coming year?
post #2 of 17
You should check out the "smooth" mode on the Pioneer Kuro. It makes movies look "buttery" smooth, with very minimal artifacting, and a picture that will blow your mind. It has become my favorite mode; it really draws you in. You will find disagreement among some purists however, who want films that are framed in 24fps to play back with the same look of 24fps. But I think you will be very impressed if you check out a properly calibrated Kuro with a blu-ray disc in the "Smooth" Cinema mode.
post #3 of 17
In response to your post, I would have to agree as well about you leaving your beliefs at the door on source material. I am just as addicted to anti judder or de-judder technology. I have done much research on this somewhat new technology and I would have to say that out of the new lcd hdtvs that have this feature, I would have to rate Samsung's Auto Motion Plus at #1, slightly above Sony's MotionFlow on smoothness and less artifacts. The Pioneers do have a great anti judder technology as well as mentioned earlier but they are really expensive. I currently have Trimension DNM (digital natural motion) which was designed by Philips. I currently own a Polaroid 40 inch 720p lcd and was prepared to sell it once I saw the Sony 40XBR4 in Best Buy with anti judder. But I did find through research online that WinDVD has Trimension DNM anti judder and I have a top of the line pc hooked up to my lcd at home. It was only $80 for WinDVD 9 plus blu ray and so I watch blu ray, hd dvd, and dvd thru my pc with anti judder engaged. It looks absolutely amazing!
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
The Kuros can only run at 60Hz in that mode though, correct? I've always been really sensitive to refresh timings. Usually anything under 85Hz bugs me. I know the Kuros can run at 72Hz (24px3) given the choice. I've been wanting the 6010 for a long while, but I didn't know they used motion interpolation of any kind.
post #5 of 17
Nick, I'm not sure of what HZ the "Smooth" mode runs in (I don't think it mentions it anywhere in the manual), but I can tell you that it is hard for me to imagine anything being any "smoother", for lack of a better term. My best advice to you is to go to a showroom, and watch a blu-ray under "smooth" mode, and see what you think. It is a pretty incredible experience: ultra smooth motion combined with the unbelievable picture of a 1080P Kuro is quite a sight to behold. It almost looks like you can stick your arm right into the screen.
post #6 of 17
Don't get one! i came from a 52XBR5 and a 4071F and 120hz is uber crap! too much issues and artifacts.

Went Plasma and love the look and motion.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Dubz, don't tell me it's "uber crap" because I've seen it in person and it looks great. However, I would RATHER get that technology in a plasma, so I agree with you. I'm hoping that we see a plasma technology that not only runs at 120Hz, but also offers superb motion interpolation. I'll head to Magnolia tonight and check it out.
post #8 of 17
The new panasonic plasma have 480hz sub drive..Also cause oof plasmas response time they dont loose as much resolution with motion..Panasonic have more than 900 lines while moving and a XBR5 as around 740...
post #9 of 17
I also went from sammy 4671 to pio plasma. the lcd had great initial wow factor due to the motion interpolation,but after living with it, too many issues with motion. if you like sports stay away unless you like three footballs,pucks etc.
post #10 of 17
I like it on some things and not on others but I do not know of any PDP that offers it (I am sure some one will correct me if I am wrong). Some complain about it being to live like "soap opera effect" I believe is what it is being called.

I for one would love to see it on a PDP.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
480Hz sub drive really isn't comparable to the 120Hz LCD operation - the PDP is really still operating at 60Hz (or 24/48/72 depending on the display). I went into Best Buy last week and the Magnolia staffer tried to convince me of the same nonsense. Anyway...

Ultimately, my decision will lie with the abilities of said displays to apply motion interpolation. I'm not into sports and I like the effect it gives to 24p content.
post #12 of 17
Yes and so did i thats why i took a XBR5 home but after awhile you will regret it! LCDs just have way too much issues.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by tower101 View Post

I like it on some things and not on others but I do not know of any PDP that offers it (I am sure some one will correct me if I am wrong). Some complain about it being to live like "soap opera effect" I believe is what it is being called.

I for one would love to see it on a PDP.

The UK TH42PZ85 has frame interpolation.

http://www.hdtvorg.co.uk/reviews/pla...c_TH42PZ85.htm
post #14 of 17
Great I don't live in the UK though (its not on the US version)
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Turd.FergusonSNL View Post

In response to your post, I would have to agree as well about you leaving your beliefs at the door on source material. I am just as addicted to anti judder or de-judder technology. I have done much research on this somewhat new technology and I would have to say that out of the new lcd hdtvs that have this feature, I would have to rate Samsung's Auto Motion Plus at #1, slightly above Sony's MotionFlow on smoothness and less artifacts. The Pioneers do have a great anti judder technology as well as mentioned earlier but they are really expensive. I currently have Trimension DNM (digital natural motion) which was designed by Philips. I currently own a Polaroid 40 inch 720p lcd and was prepared to sell it once I saw the Sony 40XBR4 in Best Buy with anti judder. But I did find through research online that WinDVD has Trimension DNM anti judder and I have a top of the line pc hooked up to my lcd at home. It was only $80 for WinDVD 9 plus blu ray and so I watch blu ray, hd dvd, and dvd thru my pc with anti judder engaged. It looks absolutely amazing!

so with windvd and a blu ray rom in your pc, you can watch bluray movies with anti judder?

i borrowed a friends 360 hd dvd addon, hooked it up to my pc, i can play the file, but i cant use trimension dnm at all. how do i do it?
post #16 of 17
or is it for dvds only?
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by Turd.FergusonSNL View Post

I would have to rate Samsung's Auto Motion Plus at #1, slightly above Sony's MotionFlow on smoothness and less artifacts.


I would strongly disagree.
Sonys motionflow is much smoother and shows alot less artifacts than Samsungs auto motion plus. It seems to me that Samsungs AMP is way too raw and shows much much more Artifcts and the "clear aurora" around people that looks like vapors coming off of them.
Sonys motionflow is super duper smooooooth and looks much better.

But the Pioneer Kuro's got em all beat when it comes to motion.
LCD has to use all of these motion enhansers to try to achieve what Plasma does naturally.
And even with all of the add-ons like AMP and motionflow, they still show ghosting and smearing.
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