Sony Kdl-v4100 Series 1080p - Page 45

Yesterday, check with the "PixPeRan, the KDL-40v4100 when connected to 24p, the refresh rate is 48hz ..... so avoids flicker in some images with white .....

i picked one up, too.

i must say though, i'm not impressed with the SD images on some analog cable channels, compared to the Sony 32 inch 720P, i was watching.
some are a little soft and flesh tones are washed out.

perhaps it is due to this being a bigger screen.

oh well.

Picked up the KDL-40V4100 yesterday and I absolutely love it. For the price, it was a steal. I noticed the flickering issue from the auto-dimming function a little bit, but it's not a deal breaker. I hope they come out with a patch for it.

yeah i paid $1100 for mine. i'm kinda disappointed the tv price gone has down to $699 so fast. compared to a few years a go when tvs barely dropped in price.

upon further inspection and resetting to factory and setting up again, i am having better results. especially with flashlight effects in the top corners.

feeling better about my purchase.

Hi All,
I built an HTPC for my 46v4100 connected through HDMI. The HTPC *technically* supports 1080p output, however I have a feeling it is only outputting at 1080i. The reason I have this suspicion is because the place that allows me to pick my screen size displays 480p60, 720p60, and 1080i60. At first I thought there was something wrong with the computer, but now I am suspecting the PC mode for the TV has a limitation. Also, while playing a blu-ray through the PC to the TV (using powerdvd 9), I am not able to see what the signal to the TV is when I press the little "Display" button on the top left of the remote control.

My questions... 1) Does PC input (even through HDMI) only go up to 1080i? 2) How can I see what the input signal is? 3) How can I make the TV think a normal consumer electronic is plugged in?

Thanks for all the help! It will relieve a lot of frustration.

anyone know what are some good sound adjustments?

I've got my home server connecting to a 46v4100 as a third monitor via HDMI and its displaying at 1080P. I've even using ancient video card setup - dual SLI 6600 GTs. So not a problem for the set, but I'm not sure what application you're talking about when you say " the place that allows me to pick my screen size displays 480p60, 720p60, and 1080i60.". What OS are you using? And what the specs of the box that you built?

Anyone using this with a HTPC? I can't get my XFX Nvidia 8400gs to be recognized on any HDMI port. I am using a DVI to HDMI cable and I can't get anything to register.

I have the 46v4100


I am using a VGA cable but I want digital resolution.

Double check the wired connections. Is the cable physically in good shape? Are you using the nVidia Control Panel to configure the output? Do you have a single card or dual SLIs? What OS are you using?

Thanks for the reply, yeediddy..

Specs of my box are pretty solid. e5200 cpu, 2gb ram, 1tb hdd, etc.. The spec that matters most is my GPU which is coming from the motherboard (Intel's G45 IGP on the DG45ID motherboard).. The board was a nightmare to setup/update/config, but now it's working pretty good. OS is Vista 32bit

The app that let's me pick the resolution on the TV comes from the graphics driver and it is called Intel TV Wizard. I have a ticket open with Intel support to look into this. Not sure if anyone else is using this board for the GPU, but if you are, could you check your Intel TV wizard to see if 1080p60 is an option?

MY MAIN CONCERN is that the GPU is downconverting my blu-rays to 1080i before transmitting to the TV which is then upconverting to 1080p. Is there a video test file that I can watch where I will be able to tell if the signal is 1080i or 1080p. Some recommend Avia, but I thought that was only for color calibration, and also it was on DVD so it wouldn't do high def. Any thoughts on this?

I don't know if this question has already been asked so I'll apologize if it has but I don't know what this TV is lacking by only having the 60Hz refresh rate. I was under the impression this was important if you watch sports or fast moving images? I ask the salesmen when we got this TV if having the 60Hz was important because we watch a lot of sports and he asked what kind of signal would we be feeding it and I said satellite and he said we should have no problems. I guess what I really I'm asking is having a lower refresh rate (such as 60Hz) that much of a big deal even though there as high as 240Hz now?

I'm sure the technology does what it says it does. But can regular people with normal or less than normal vision really appreciate the difference?

I watch football, baseball & basketball mainly. Every great or even good play is replayed in slow motion.What may have blurred live will only be seen once in normal motion. I have been trying to make myself see blurred motion ever since I first heard about this 120Hz. Maybe its the eye popping colors, or crystal clear resolution that tricks my eye into thinking my TV is as good as it can be.

I think 120-240-480Hz is a lot bigger deal to TV makers than it is to TV watchers.
The higher Hz probably does make some difference. Probably not enough to justify spending 500 extra bucks for. At least to my thinking.

Enjoy your TV. She's a beauty ain't she?

Pretty much my conclusion too. I went to Fry's a while back and really tried to see any discernable difference, and whatever digital smearing or artifacts I was seeing were seen on every set there, 60 hz, 120 Hz, 240 Hz. Seems to be more of a program source issue than the TVs refresh rate. The source program material is mostly going to be either 30 frames interlaced or 60 frames progressive anyway.

Hello...

I did the update 2.05 yesterday. Prior to the update, my picture was crystal clear. So clear that on the best High Def channels I could see the pores in the actors faces.

Today the colors are more enhanced, black levels are deeper but the skin tone and overall picture seems a bit muddy. Almost a little burred.

Did anyone else have this problem after the updgrade?

The only issue I had with my KDL42v4100 was intermittent sound loss while playing BD and DVD's. The update did seem to fix this issue, it just made my picture very un high def like.

No picture quality changes here doing updates. Last update it did automatically and there was no discernable difference in picture quality. Any variations in pix quality I ever notice is with the program source, not with the TV.

Yes I do agree with you, I cannot wait for football season. I do agree with what you said about the 120Hz and higher being a bigger deal to TV manufacturer trying to convince the consumer that they are missing out if they do not have these TVs that have the higher Refresh rate..

i have a question.

my original 40v4100 has deep purple splash screens. the "wallpaper"
when you are tuned into a channel with no program or an input with no signal.
the replacement unit that Sony delivered has a more pinkish or rust color.
i'm wondering if this is 2 different firmware levels?

does anyone know?

also, the replacement unit does not finish auto tuning. it bombs out as it starts digital tuning. and when it first turns on, the back light seems to come on in stages, from right to left, not instant on across the screen. of course, this replacement is going right back, prepaid UPS.

fyi, i got this unit at a really good price, hoping it would suit my needs. it does perform quite well and look good, except for the top 2 corners of backlight bleed. its hardly noticeable, except in dark scenes, changing channels, or during SD 4:3 programs, and when its dark in my room. then this POS replacement arrived. i'm thinking of just living with the original. Phoenix is too far to drive to return the original.

thanks

I am not sure what happened but all seems to be resolved. The picture Quality is back now. Maybe the Direct Tv was having an issue. On my Bravia, I did notice that for normal TV the Cinemotion was turned on to Auto1 after the update.

I shut that off and adjusted the settings a bit...and my picture looks great once again.

I watched a DVD in my Blue Ray player...no sound loss now!!!

The update worked for me...

-Greg

Agreed... the V4100's are excellent. I just picked up a 40V4100 a few weeks back and cease to be amazed at the picture quality. A little flashlighting in the upper corners at night but it is of no concern once an image is onscreen.

I am also stunned at how well Sony's Motion Flow works on this 60Hz set. As far as I know last year's Sony's were the only ones with Motion Flow at 60Hz and maybe the only LCD's available with motion compensation/deblurring processing at 60Hz. What I will say is this... the 60Hz Motion Flow is glass smooth and an improvement on almost any source in my taste. Sometimes the improvement is truly amazing. It can have problems with DVD's upconverted to 1080p. Running them at 1080i gets rid of any issues and that's only necessary for some.

What I found more interesting though is that the 120/240 Hz sets can actually look really synthetic and quite bad to my taste. I had heard about this "synthetic look" but didn't really know what they were talking about until I was watching a U-571 Blu-ray on a Sony either 120 or 240Hz at BestBuy the other day. It looked positively wrong. There was something so strange about the characters motions. I would have done anything to turn off the effect had it been my own TV. It was unwatchable for me. I went home and popped in my U-571 Blu-ray and watched the same scene with and without Motion Flow and it looked great either way. Nothing at all appeared synthetic about it... with Motion Flow it just lacked the film flicker look that some film buffs prefer. I have long been a film buff, but to me anything that reminds me I am watching something on a film medium takes me out of experiencing the movie. So... I much prefer the Motion Flow at 60Hz or 48Hz when I am watching Blu-ray at 1080p 24fps.

Anyhow... not only do I NOT regret not having a 120 Hz set or faster... I would not want one from what I saw.

Marketeers have trained the public to think that More Hz is better. From what I have seen... that is not the case. These are after-all the same people that have advertised vacuum cleaners based on how many amps they draw.

The Sony 60Hz Motion Flow is fantastic and I am glad I got it before they were gone.

So... don't assume 120 or 240 or 600Hz is better. It all comes down to the algorithm and it can look over-processed.


Scott

Very good explanation ........ I have always found the 60hz refresh is not the real problem when trying to watch movies, the biggest problem is in the video processing for each film to be seen on any tv . This tv is great ... I have done tests to measure Judder and I have changed the refresh rate to 48hz, at 60hz and 72Hz driving Judder in a great, besides the evidence is that this TV processes video 24p to 48 Hz refresh rate, so it uses the "PSTRIP and Juddertest"

I have the KDL-46V4100 which has the TVGOS guide. We just got the guide back up (digital) in my area within the last week since it was dropped at the end on the analog signal. I have a Sony DVR that the guide is working ok. My question is, has anyone been able to receive the digital guide without updating firmware for their TV. Sony tell me that they are working on an update.

Well... the first thing I did with my 40V4100 was update the firmware to the latest... but the TVGOS has been working perfectly since the day I hooked it up.

What I do find annoying is that the TVGOS only displays a single day of programming - NOT the 48 hours originally advertised. The system now even says it will display up to a day of programming. I wonder why they changed that. It's far less useful that way. Then again... I imagine the cable companies and Dish guys don't want you to have a week or two of free guide information. Maybe Macrovision/TVGOS made a deal with them.

As opposed to you... unfortunately my Philips DVR with TVGOS (analog) will only pick up the channel listing but I never get any schedules. I still use it but have to set the recording timer manually. Bummer.

One thing I didn't add in my post, I'm only receiving the TVGOS guide by antenna (OTA). I have Directv and the SCETV station is about 16 miles away. One of my Sony DVR's has more than one day ahead. I didn't count them to see. The other DVR clock has not corrected its time. I just went through a list of instructions and hope to see it corrected tomorrow.

Hmmm... - I wish I could be of further help, but I don't have any specific knowledge for the hardware, OS and driver you're using. My first thought would be to ensure you're using the latest drivers and firmware. I'd also peruse the huge thread they have on the intel g45 igp in the other forum here. By all means, the IGP is capable of outputing 1080P - so you may be on the right track with it being a software issue.

I'd also check out the Intel Knowledge Base, to see if you could figure out how it's handling Blu-Ray processing.

This is a response I got back from Sony.

Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I'm sorry that the TV Guide On Screen system listing does not appear for DTV stations. I have provided a link* with the information on this issue:

http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/d...nalId=C1002852

*You may be asked to enable or allow the link to work.

Thank you for understanding.

The Sony Email Response Team
C6XR
Nicholas

From the Sony document.. "At this time the TV Guide Onscreen system listings are transmitted through an analog broadcast only." So, if all the stations have turned off analog (which they have), how is my DTVPal DVR receiving TVGOS data? Maybe they meant to say at this time Sony TVs can only receive TVGOS data from analog broadcasts? If that's the case what were they thinking knowing what was happening to analog?

I wish they would release an update to completely disable the TVGOS and use the PSIP data to its fullest. All I get is station ID and name the name of program, never any program details. My $40 DTV converter box does a far better job with PSIP data.

Maybe if you contacted them and stated you wish, they just might come up with two updates, one for you and one for me.

I'm running into a problem here.

When I'm connecting to the VGA port - I get full 1080P without any Overscan issue

But when I'm connecting to my HTPC HDMI port - I get the overscan issue and can't adjust it.

Any recommendation?

Thanks

I have a Sony KDL40V4100

Does anyone have any idea how to get HDMI 4 working with the analog audio inputs. It was designed to do just that. I have an upconverting DVD that is putting the multichannel audio on the coax and puts NOTHING on the HDMI. So... I figured no problem... I'll just use the stereo analog outputs on the player to the analog inputs on HDMI 4 on the Sony so that I can occasionally watch it without the whole AV system on.

NOTHING.

I checked the analog outputs.. they are indeed putting out audio, but I cannot get the Sony to use the analog audio inputs. It just sits there mute.

Any ideas? Is there some menu item I missed?


Scott