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post #211 of 1418
the official price for the 40'' kdl-w4100 was just released a few hours ago on sony web site: 1899$ vs 1499$ for the v4100
post #212 of 1418
Well, not too sure if we should start declaring an official owner's thread for this model yet or not. Do you think there's enough people which adopted this model to start one up? I know that the 40V4100 was released only a couple of weeks ago, but if one should be started up, or declare this thread for owners, lemme know. Not to say I own one, as I'm waiting around for higher-end models and larger sizes, but just as a matter of saying.
post #213 of 1418
Any one see if this set has 1:1 pixel mapping? Or do all the new sets do this? I'm going to hook it up to an HTPC, so it's an important feature for me.

thanks!
post #214 of 1418
Can someone please advise me on this. Today I went to Circuitcity to buy a kdl 40w3000 for their sale price of $1399. The sales person talked me into buying a kdl 40v4100 for $1449 saying that the only w3000 was the display model and being replaced by v4100. I had not known about the v4100 before today.

Then I found this thread and read it.

Question: Neglecting the small price difference, at this time would you (should I) have chosen the W3000 or V4120?

(I might still be able to reverse my decision, but it would have to be soon because I take delivery next week.)

I plan to use the TV mostly to watch Comcast cable SD & HD, and will later try go use an Internet-TV feed from my PC. Probably no gaming.

I suspect I would be happy with either model, but I will appreciate any advice,
Stan Hilliard
post #215 of 1418
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Well, not too sure if we should start declaring an official owner's thread for this model yet or not. Do you think there's enough people which adopted this model to start one up? I know that the 40V4100 was released only a couple of weeks ago, but if one should be started up, or declare this thread for owners, lemme know. Not to say I own one, as I'm waiting around for higher-end models and larger sizes, but just as a matter of saying.

No problem asking...Anyway I think this thred is enough for owners thread.Thats why I created anyway!As I have said again I am willing for frequent first post updates.

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Originally Posted by StanH View Post

Can someone please advise me on this. Today I went to Circuitcity to buy a kdl 40w3000 for their sale price of $1399. The sales person talked me into buying a kdl 40v4100 for $1449 saying that the only w3000 was the display model and being replaced by v4100. I had not known about the v4100 before today.

Then I found this thread and read it.

Question: Neglecting the small price difference, at this time would you (should I) have chosen the W3000 or V4120?

(I might still be able to reverse my decision, but it would have to be soon because I take delivery next week.)

I plan to use the TV mostly to watch Comcast cable SD & HD, and will later try go use an Internet-TV feed from my PC. Probably no gaming.

I suspect I would be happy with either model, but I will appreciate any advice,
Stan Hilliard

The price difference is too small to get the W3000.I would suggest to get the V4100/4120 as apart the 10bit panel missing,everything is improved
post #216 of 1418
bestbuy has the 40v4100 up on their website. it says coming soon which means it should be on show floors by the end of the week.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1205246214790
post #217 of 1418
I am the proud owner of a new 40v4100. The picture is awsome. I have set the calibration to "standard", turned down the backlight to 6 and turned off the noise reduction etc. I do have a question regarding the screen size settings however. I am using Comcast HD and their box. It seems that the screen size is being set by the cable box and cable transmission. If that is true, then wouldn't the screen settings of the tv be irrelevant? By the way I currently have it set to "full"
post #218 of 1418
Hi All,

I have picked this up from Circuit City. I will be returning it within 30 days, as I have a bunch of credit on Amazon to use so I will buy a TV from them after I return this set. I just want to wait a few weeks since the new Sonys are coming out and I want to see what Amazon will do with their prices.

I'm playing with it now and will post my impressions. If anyone has any questions let me know.
post #219 of 1418
pics would be nice. how does it handle 24p? does it remove judder? how are blacks and shadow details compare to xbr4 or other benchmark sets like the kuro? any annoying bugs or flaws with the set? thanks
post #220 of 1418
is the screen a fully matte screen or is it a semi-gloss screen (Like the W3000 i think)... i asked before somewhere but i forget what the answer was
post #221 of 1418
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Originally Posted by fireballz View Post

is the screen a fully matte screen or is it a semi-gloss screen (Like the W3000 i think)... i asked before somewhere but i forget what the answer was

Almost 100% sure its fully matte, but don't have experience with any semi gloss sets. I have a bight light on in my room right now and have no problems with glare.

I'll be able to tell for sure tomorrow during the day.
post #222 of 1418
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

pics would be nice. how does it handle 24p? does it remove judder? how are blacks and shadow details compare to xbr4 or other benchmark sets like the kuro? any annoying bugs or flaws with the set? thanks

I haven't had much time with the set yet, as it's only been a couple hours sine I set it up. Watched some of Transformers HD-DVD and Lost on Blu-Ray. Picture looks good so far but I'm a semi noob, so it would be hard for me to compare with Kuro, XBR. Haven't done enough analyzing of those sets.

The blacks are very good though, and there is a lot of pop on this set. The cinemotion is weird...I can't tell yet whether I like it or not. The movement almost seems soap opery at times? I had thought that was a 120hz thing? It definitely reduces jutter. I'll have to watch some material on all 3 settings (Auto1, Auto2 and off) to get a better feel for the effect and how well it works.

I haven't had time to mess with the picture settings, right now just using standard, just reduced backlight to 5, and brightness a tiny bit.

This set definitely blows away the Samsung LN-T4061F I recently returned to Amazon.
post #223 of 1418
I have to agree with "supervelous" that the set somehow reduces judder ...I like it actually and I also returned Sammy LNT4061F before I bought this one.
Judder on Sammy was significant... with Sony almost none. Also I would say that Sammy 4061 had completely mate screen compared to Sony 40V4100. Sony has a little gloss to it...so lets just call it semigloss. I also have bright room ...no problem with gloss. The set definitely has the "pop" efect and blacks are the best I have seen so far. And it does great job with SD signal...1000 times better than Sammy.
Overall I'm very impressed but my set does something weird after power-on. Right after power-on (beeing off for more than hour) it has some ghosting going on for exactly 7 minutes. I have spotted first some weird skin tones gradations with movement and than I swithed my input to my computer (1080p @60Hz 1:1 pixel map) and if I grab any window with a mouse and start moving it around the screen I see streeks and gostiness...It goes away exactly after 7 minutes and after that ...no ghosting what so ever....
Please other owners can you have look in to this problem....
post #224 of 1418
i believe some1 who also owns the set experienced a similar problem. basically he says when he turns the TV on (after its been off for a long period) the PQ would look like crap blurry and everything, but says after like 3-5 mins something kicks in and the PQ looks great again. we guessed that it was the processor just takes some time for it to warm up or something like that similar to some reports of certain pio kuro sets which also takes a few minutes before the deep blacks kick in. so it may be due to a defective electrical component of the video processor or something but I don't know for sure.I haven't heard of this issue affecting other owners out there, but then again not many have it yet. I sure hope this issue can be fixed by a firmware once its deemed to be a major flaw or something.

moving onto a different topic, from the reports of many V4100 and Xbr6 owners so far, it seems that the cinemotion feature on the new sonys are doing quite a good job of reducing judder and whatnot despite the lack of 120hz+ motionflow. many are now also saying that it produces the soap opera effect, which can be either good or bad depending on who you ask. I wonder if the V4100 and small XBr6s are actually 120hz sets. if not, then what exactly is reducing the judder and blur and producing this soap opera effect? If this cinemotion thingi is what most owners are saying is responsible for it, then whats the purpose of 120hz and motionflow if cinemotion is already doing the work? I don't know maybe it adds more processing and totally eliminate judder, blur,smearing and ghosting? yeh I'm really off into speculation land now lol.

edit: found explanation of sony's cinemotion technology which was also a feature on older bravias, so it's nothing new. I never owned a sony tv before so forgive me for not knowing lol. anyways heres what they say:

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CineMotion® Reverse 3-2 Pull- Down Technology
Sony's term for a TV circuit that detects a 3-2 Pull-Down sequence and performs the reverse or inverse operation. When film studios release their work on TV, DVD, or videotape, they have to transfer film (which runs at 24 frames per second) to video (which runs at 30 frames per second). How do you get 24 into 30 without speeding up the film? Well, first take note that video actually flashes 60 half frames, called "fields," per second because of its interlaced scan. The film studio has a machine (telecine) that takes one film frame and transfers it to three video fields, then takes the next film frame and transfers it to two video fields-thus 3-2. The technology makes it possible to watch films at home, but creates imperfections and subtle speed shifts in the movie. A Reverse 3-2 Pull-Down circuit looks at the video as it's coming through the television, and in a split second rearranges the fields into whole film frames like completing a puzzle. The surprising thing is that the TV's circuit doesn't have to interpolate, or guess, how the film frames actually started out; it has all the necessary clues and can re-create the film perfectly. Sony's CineMotion® technology takes additional steps to make the image as close to the original film as possible.

so basically, this reverse 3:2 pulldown technology only works on 24p material, I guess for games and other stuff it wont produce the soap effect but thats where 120hz motionflow comes in i guess.
post #225 of 1418
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Originally Posted by pistik View Post

I have to agree with "supervelous" that the set somehow reduces judder ...I like it actually and I also returned Sammy LNT4061F before I bought this one.
Judder on Sammy was significant... with Sony almost none. Also I would say that Sammy 4061 had completely mate screen compared to Sony 40V4100. Sony has a little gloss to it...so lets just call it semigloss. I also have bright room ...no problem with gloss. The set definitely has the "pop" efect and blacks are the best I have seen so far. And it does great job with SD signal...1000 times better than Sammy.
Overall I'm very impressed but my set does something weird after power-on. Right after power-on (beeing off for more than hour) it has some ghosting going on for exactly 7 minutes. I have spotted first some weird skin tones gradations with movement and than I swithed my input to my computer (1080p @60Hz 1:1 pixel map) and if I grab any window with a mouse and start moving it around the screen I see streeks and gostiness...It goes away exactly after 7 minutes and after that ...no ghosting what so ever....
Please other owners can you have look in to this problem....

I just got this set tonight and I can confirm i was thrown off at first cause of what you speak of. I didnt time it but do know after a little time it went away. When i turned the set off for awhile it came back for like 2 min and almost went away right away. Im gonna guess its a matter of the set breaking in maybe? Other than that the set is absolutely amazing!!!

It was between this set and a Sammy 40A550. I am/was a Samsung faithful but I had a run of bad luck with Samsung lately and after going through 5 sets (2 4071F's and 3 4066F's) i decided to give another brand a try and i knew Sony was in the top tier with Samsung. I was concerned a bit at first cause i could not find out wether this set had better than an 8ms response time. I assumed so since even LG has a 5ms response, but when i called a CS rep told me 8ms but when i called back i was told by another rep that he wasnt exactly sure but knew it was better than 8ms. Either way im not dissapointed but curious to see if i would be as satisfied with the A550. But with this set being just about perfect im afraid to take any chances getting a not so perfect set wether it be Samsung or Sony.

I have minor clouding that goes away when i turn down the backlight so its no biggie. In fact i almost feel i imagine it cause it was such a prob on my last 3 Samsungs. I feel sometimes i see it and sometimes i dont so that should tell you how faint it is. It seams to be getting better as i use the set more aswell and i have only been using it for about 5 hours or so. So i hope it goes away and does not get worse, but we'll see.

Ill gladly take some pics if anyone has any requests? I have almost 70 blu-rays and will take some of certain movies yous want if i have them.
post #226 of 1418
oh me me me, I wana see some pics of it running blu-ray, some high quality ones though like planet earth or something, not those grainy ones ugh. thanks.

seems like there are more owners with this power on problem--what shall we call it, processing warm up or something else ? lol
post #227 of 1418
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

oh me me me, I wana see some pics of it running blu-ray, some high quality ones though like planet earth or something, not those grainy ones ugh. thanks.

seems like there are more owners with this power on problem--what shall we call it, processing warm up or something else ? lol

ok i will start with some of Planet Earth, I Robot, I am Legend, Cars, and Ratatouille since those are mint video quality blu-rays.

I'll also try for some PS3 Games of Uncharted, Grand Turismo 5 and Heavenly Sword. And Lastly i'll do some of the 360 and Grand Theft Auto 4 and Call of Duty 4.

Please bear with me as it may take a day or two cause my day today is pretty tied up but i'll try to get some on here as fast as i can!!!
post #228 of 1418
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post


moving onto a different topic, from the reports of many V4100 and Xbr6 owners so far, it seems that the cinemotion feature on the new sonys are doing quite a good job of reducing judder and whatnot despite the lack of 120hz+ motionflow. many are now also saying that it produces the soap opera effect, which can be either good or bad depending on who you ask. I wonder if the V4100 and small XBr6s are actually 120hz sets. if not, then what exactly is reducing the judder and blur and producing this soap opera effect? If this cinemotion thingi is what most owners are saying is responsible for it, then whats the purpose of 120hz and motionflow if cinemotion is already doing the work? I don't know maybe it adds more processing and totally eliminate judder, blur,smearing and ghosting? yeh I'm really off into speculation land now lol.

the XBR6 is out now?? i didnt know that
post #229 of 1418
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Originally Posted by aKa DaShiznit View Post

ok i will start with some of Planet Earth, I Robot, I am Legend, Cars, and Ratatouille since those are mint video quality blu-rays.

I'll also try for some PS3 Games of Uncharted, Grand Turismo 5 and Heavenly Sword. And Lastly i'll do some of the 360 and Grand Theft Auto 4 and Call of Duty 4.

Please bear with me as it may take a day or two cause my day today is pretty tied up but i'll try to get some on here as fast as i can!!!

Any chance you can take some pics of video games that can show how the V4100 handles motion? Take a look at the pics here in this other thread to see examples of what I mean:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13803675#post13803675


Thanks!
post #230 of 1418
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

the XBR6 is out now?? i didnt know that

Yep, saw the 32" XBR6 at video only. I think CC has them too? I thought I saw one there as well...
post #231 of 1418
Guruintraining,

Thanks for posting the comparison pictures. Can you (or anyone else) tell me which pirates of the caribbean were those pics from (part 1,2 or 3)? I want to do a bit of a test myself. Thanks again.
post #232 of 1418
I got a chance to see the V4100 at BB this afternoon for the first time, and it really did pack a good punch when it came to PQ. I will admit, even tho the picture was nearly as crisp as the XBR4, the black levels could still be a bit better, after reference of the A650, since that was the best, deepest level of black of any LCD, Sony, Samsung, or otherwise. It's still too early to tell if Sony will improve on black levels in their upcoming line, but at least the V4100 is certainly promising for a good future for the rest of the 2008 lineup.

Although I couldn't compare the V4100 to the Samsung A550 or A650 directly, I can tell that there's most certainly something to look forward to in larger sizes, and higher-end models. I did, however, see the XBR4 and A650 side-by-side, and to me, even tho the A650 had deeper blacks, and more "pop" to the picture, the XBR4 just looked cleaner and less judder was intact. Maybe BB clerks forgot to activate the AMP on the A650, I'm quite sure. However, the V4100 did blow the W3000 away, and that was right down the row from that, as well as the last-gen Samsung models, too, and the LG next to it.
post #233 of 1418
I have owned both the Sammy 40a550 and the Sony 40v4100 for about a week. After watching both sets side by side for a week I returned the Samsung. I had adjusting both sets the best I could, I found the Sony to have better blacks and deeper color. The Sony also could display a more detailed picture.
The remote on the Sammy was sluggish to respond, the Sony was quick.
The sound on the Sony was way better the the Samsung, even after adjusting the Sammy EQ. The Samsung sounded like it was playing through a soup can. When playing sound through the audio out, the Samsung had a horrible echo effect when the tv speakers where on, you have to turn off the internal speakers to avoid this. On the Sony you could output both at the same time with no echo effect. I know that the internal speakers are meaningless when going with an external sound system but just some fyi.
When playing video games in game mode on the Sony, you could adjust all video sliders to your pleasing. On the Samsung in game mode (entertainment mode) the video adjust sliders where locked, meaning you could not adjust anything. You where stuck with the Samsung default setting. Playing on the Samsung in a dark room in game mode (entertainment mode) was far to bright.
Both sets had no dead pixels or stuck pixels. I did not see any clouding or flash lighting on either set, if there was it was minable and equal on each set. No major smearing on either set and when there was some smearing both sets where equal.
The Sammy has a swivel base , the Sony does not. (only thing I liked better on the Sammy).
The Sony has 4 hdmi ports to the Sammys 3 hdmi ports.
I have never owned a Sammy or Sony HDTV before so i have no brand loyalty.
As for as some owners reporting PQ problems with the 40v4100 set when first turned on and not warmed up, I do not have any of these characteristics. I am looking for this after reading the posts and when I first turn on my I am looking by going through different HDTV channels and playing the 360 and the PS3 through HDMI within the first several minutes. I do not see this. I do have cinemotion turned off though. If that makes a diff?
In my opinion after owning both sets for a week I prefer Sony 40v4100 over the Sammy 40a550.
post #234 of 1418
Sounds sweet... Guess I'll be waiting around for larger sizes before seeing what I can do.
post #235 of 1418
FYI - the so called hole on bezel on the v4100 is not an issue, it is nothing like the online pics. You do not even know it is a clear plastic. It does not distract in any way and it is not even noticeable when watching shows or playing games.
post #236 of 1418
It is very nice to see that there are more people that can really appreciate PQ of SONY over Samsung...it is definitely because Bravia processing.

Update to my power on warming problem:
I have noticed that the issue is there only if at the moment of pressing green power button on my remote I hear relay to click in TV. When I hear relay click ...the issue of ghosting is there for like 7 min. But today my TV was off for all day and when I turned it on in the evening I did not hear any relay click and the picture was perfect right from begining....I'm puzzled...
post #237 of 1418
I hear relay clicks, but no delay in PQ
post #238 of 1418
nice review and comparsion of the v4100 and 550 bobski. I thought your analysis was dead on and pretty much what I had imagined it would be like. of course I've never seen the v4100 in person, but going by the comparsion pics posted by guru, specs, and experience with similar models, it wasn't hard for me to imagine that the Sony would have the slight edge overall and I feel great now with your confirmation. so thanks hehe. Im even excited about the v4100 now lol but I'll wait and see what the W4100 can do compared to the 650. should be interesting. any chance that you could post some pics of your v4100 and 550 for us? thanks.

one further question if I may, how were the viewing angles on both sets when watching off center at like 45/135 degrees?
post #239 of 1418
Here are some of the pics i promised!!! Please tell me if i can take more and if i can get better pics how you would suggest doing so!!!

Planet Earth




post #240 of 1418
thanks. very nice. what camera did you take the pics with? and is it mounted on a tripod?

do some of the images look as good as these?

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Originally Posted by cybertec View Post

here are a few pics of my PRO-110FD... all I can say in regards to this PDP is WOW, PURE mode is worth it to get an Elite, the colors and skin tones are spot on, and no ISF calibration yet, few more months till that happens for me, will let the set break in for a while, these pics are from Planet Earth Blu Ray on my PS3, enjoy,
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