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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Noob here. I'm curious what people think about the idea of using self-powered speakers like computer speakers and hooking them into the line-out RCA feeds of your TV. For someone who wants an improvement over the sound of their TV speakers but doesn't care about surround and doesn't want to deal with a receiver, is this a reasonable way to go?

I'm thinking about 2.0 and 2.1 sets like audioengine 2 and klipsch promedia and a budget no more than $200. I've heard these speakers are good enough that they can make your audio source, like your soundcard, be the weak link in SQ. In that case it doesn't pay to have a better speaker. So will the TV as source make your speakers sound not as good as they could be, considering you'll be using the analog feeds? How would music sound on these speakers if you played music CD's on these thru your DVD player? I guess it depends on your TV and DVD player, but what would be typical?

Bose markets a 2.1 system just for this purpose (to improve TV sound) called Bose Cinemate. I don't believe the speakers on the Bose come close to matching the SQ of the Audioengine or the Klipsch, but once hooked to a TV or DVD source could you really tell the difference?
post #2 of 21
It depends upon how your current TV is equipped speaker-wise, but most likely it would be an improvement, especially with a 2.1 set that has a subwoofer (if we can call it that). All you need is the proper adapter; L/R male RCA to female stereo headphone jack. You may also want to consider an inexpensive pair of powered studio monitors, too.

Make certain you can turn your TV's speakers OFF and can set its line-level outputs to be VARIABLE. Most TV's allow this, but some do not.
post #3 of 21
I had a setup similar to yours having Altec A885 speakers fed from TV (stereo L/R => 3.5mm jack.) It did dramatically improve TV sound so I think it's worthwhile for a $200 budget.

But after a while, I believe you'll catch upgradisitis and will want the receiver and front speakers, then add the sub later.
post #4 of 21
yes, as sivadselim said, just make sure your outputs are variable and you can turn the tv speakers off.

It's a sound plan. The sound will be as good as the source..so if you are playing DVD or CD connected to your TV, you'll notice the biggest difference. For regular TV programs, you'll still hear improvement but it won't be as dramatic because most TV program sound isn't very demanding.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
thanks for the replies. If it's variable output does that mean the TV remote would control the volume of the signal going out the RCA connections, and if it's fixed it wouldn't?

So I'm not hearing that the TV source would "bring down" the quality of the speakers, except in the sense that it is the nature of TV programming that it is not demanding. So I can expect the TV and DVD player to sound incrementally better if it has a correspondingly better speaker set on it and I don't have to worry about the TV leveling the playing field of the speaker quality in any technical sense.
post #6 of 21
Yes, you want the TV remote to control the volume otherwise you'll have to always run up to the computer speakers to set the volume

You should find the speakers to be worthwhile compared to TV speakers period. Even the most mundane program material, you should probably notice increased clarity that a better speaker can give you. If you are going to get a 2.1 system that includes a sub, you'll probably find that the sound will have a better tonal range, and that will be noticeable whenever you hear music, jingles or even the theme song of a show.

I use a pretty fancy system connected tor my TV system ($800 sub, $500 pair of speakers, $1200 receiver) and most of the time it's just being use to watch regular TV programs (it's also used for Blu-ray movies), but I don't feel I wasted my money.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

For regular TV programs, you'll still hear improvement but it won't be as dramatic because most TV program sound isn't very demanding.

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Originally Posted by keebs1973 View Post

So I'm not hearing that the TV source would "bring down" the quality of the speakers, except in the sense that it is the nature of TV programming that it is not demanding. So I can expect the TV and DVD player to sound incrementally better if it has a correspondingly better speaker set on it and I don't have to worry about the TV leveling the playing field of the speaker quality in any technical sense.

Yes. Better speakers can't hurt. And some TV programming can be pretty demanding, actually.


One thing you MAY want to do is place the speakers close to your TV so that there is still a decent and similar center channel image to that which the TV speakers produced. On the other hand, you may really like them spread out for a wider sound stage. Experiment.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Make certain you can turn your TV's speakers OFF and can set its line-level outputs to be VARIABLE. Most TV's allow this, but some do not.

My TV is a Samsung and it turns out the line-level outputs are fixed and can't be changed to be made variable. This means I can't use my satellite remote to mute the sound or change the volume. I have an idea to get around this but want to see what others think.

If the problem is with the TV, can't I remove the TV from the audio loop entirely and connect the speakers directly up to the audio outs of the sat. box instead? Would my Directv remote be able to work the volume then?

I guess I would have the same volume problem all over again with my DVD remote. If I could run the DVD player's audio outs directly to the speakers as well (the Audioengine 2 speakers can take two input sources), would I have solved the problem?
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by keebs1973 View Post

thanks for the replies. If it's variable output does that mean the TV remote would control the volume of the signal going out the RCA connections, and if it's fixed it wouldn't?

So I'm not hearing that the TV source would "bring down" the quality of the speakers, except in the sense that it is the nature of TV programming that it is not demanding. So I can expect the TV and DVD player to sound incrementally better if it has a correspondingly better speaker set on it and I don't have to worry about the TV leveling the playing field of the speaker quality in any technical sense.

I just recently did this to a TV in our family room that my wife watches most of the time. The TV didn't have variable output but to work around that, I used the output from the cable box to the powered sub and speakers so that the cable box volume control would be variable. Not the best sounding but a definite upgrade over the TV's sound.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by keebs1973 View Post

If the problem is with the TV, can't I remove the TV from the audio loop entirely and connect the speakers directly up to the audio outs of the sat. box instead? Would my Directv remote be able to work the volume then?

That would indeed work

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I guess I would have the same volume problem all over again with my DVD remote. If I could run the DVD player's audio outs directly to the speakers as well (the Audioengine 2 speakers can take two input sources), would I have solved the problem?

Does your DVD player have variable/volume controlled output? If so then that would work for sure. Or just use the Audioengine's volume knob if you are watching DVD. You are less likely to fiddle with the volume while watching a movie.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by warpdrive View Post

Does your DVD player have variable/volume controlled output?

It just occurred to me that my DVD remote, and probably most DVD remotes, don't come with volume and mute buttons. And this suggests that DVD players have fixed line-level outputs. Maxdog, did the TV you did this to have a DVD or VCR hooked up to it? Did you have to adjust the volume at the speaker for those?
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
This is a follow-up for others who might be interested in this. I struck out. It turns out that the Directv remote's volume controls do not have an effect on the satellite box's audio line out. The sat. box must have fixed audio outs as well. The Directv remote's volume controls talk to the TV you give it the code for, and depends solely on that for volume functions. (This is in contrast to the Scientific Atlantic cable box that Comcast uses, which does have variable audio outs.)

The same is true for the Samsung Blu-ray player I have. My options now seem to be limited to powered 2.1 systems that come with their own wireless remote control, such as the Bose Cinemate or the Altec Lansing FX4021. Of course, this means a separate remote just for volume, and that nuisance would probably push me toward a universal remote.

Is there a product out there that adds a volume remote control to a speaker set that doesn't come with one? I think I saw a few kits and DIY projects to build such a beast but I don't know if I'm up for that.
post #13 of 21
Are you dead set on 2.1 with PC speakers and the $200 max budget??
I ask this because what you're getting out of your listed systems above won't be much better than the TV speakers - the only difference would be some added bass.

In my experience with 2.1 PC speakers is that when you're sitting 2 feet from the computer and speakers, sound is actually ok. But using them for a TV with the added distance, they will be lacking in more ways than one. I have personally gone through this and decided to get a real 2.1 system.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by keebs1973 View Post

Is there a product out there that adds a volume remote control to a speaker set that doesn't come with one? I think I saw a few kits and DIY projects to build such a beast but I don't know if I'm up for that.

Not really, at least for the price you are probably looking for. The cheapest thing I know of is a Pro-Ject Pre Box, but that alone is $250. It takes two inputs which is fine for what you are looking for (both sat box and DVD player)

I think you are now stuck with getting a speaker with remote control for your cheapest option.
post #15 of 21
I know it's not exactly what you're looking for but I use a Philips 5 disc shelf stereo system for my TV. It has one Aux RCA input, so I run all my sources into the TV and a stereo RCA cable out to the Philips, with the TV speakers turned off. The remote for my cable box also has an Aux setting, which I programmed to control the Philips, so I just have to hit Aux to adjust volume and then hit Cable again to change channels or whatnot. I also have a decent-sounding 5 disc CD player/FM radio out of the bargain. It's an extra piece of electronics taking up space, but it's pretty compact and the improvement over the TV speakers is, as expected, significant. Perhaps a 2.1 version would work out for you? For example, I know Sony has some 2.1 shelf stereo systems. I know you were hoping to get away from having to use a receiver (which is, in essence, what this solution entails) but you may not have any easier option if you want remote volume control.
post #16 of 21
Logitech Z-5500!
post #17 of 21
I ran for several years with an old Cambridge SoundWorks 2.1 system. It was just like their present $80 PC system except it could also take a digital input. I only used it for movies, so ran a cable from the digital coax output on the DVD player straight to the amp inputs. The sound was much better than the built-in speakers on the 36" Toshiba CRT I was using it with, and certainly worth the $80 I paid.

CSW has their top-of-the-line PC/multimedia 2.1 system on sale right now. They must have heard what your budget limit was!
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks again to all who replied. I could go up in price if I thought it was really worth it for better sound. I have limited space on my TV stand and a receiver or shelf stereo system just isn't going to fit. The other sticking point is the remote control, otherwise the CSW Extreme 2.1's look great.

I have a Samsung LNTxx81F TV with SRS TruSurround XT surround sound. I'm beginning to think that the sound on the TV is decent after living with it for awhile, but it's so subjective and hard to know without A/B comparisons. What are people's opinions of this TruSurround technology. Does it work and how well?
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by keebs1973 View Post

but it's so subjective and hard to know without A/B comparisons. What are people's opinions of this TruSurround technology. Does it work and how well?

I've never heard a TV set with sound quality that couldn't be improved easily with outboard speakers. So I think it's still worthwhile getting some extra speakers (of course, the more you can spend, likely the larger the improvement)
post #20 of 21
I just plugged a (cheap) sub-woofer into the pre-outs of our vizio. Big improvement and very easy to do.
post #21 of 21
There is a Decent 2.1 HTIB availible from recent which has the A/V amp built into the subwoofer and it comes with a remote.

But then you might eventally WANT something better I'd go with this phillips system even though it is NOT a computer Sound system. Probabaly not what you want or need though.

http://www.epinions.com/Philips_500W...S6500_System_1
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