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Just wanted to start this thread for the new models that should be hitting shelves now (at least the 65"). I am shocked by how little info we really have. Anyone with street dates please post. Amazon is listing the 73735 for May 15th shipping....
post #2 of 3012
Mitsubishi Unveils Premium' TV Focus
By Greg Tarr -- TWICE, 4/7/2008 7:14:00 AM

Huntington Beach, Calif. In an effort to stay out of the price wars in the entry and mid-range TV businesses, Mitsubishi showed dealers and the press here last week its 2008 DLP rear-projection and LCD TV lineups that will all be positioned as premium lines for its retail partners.
In total, the company showed three 1080p DLP TV lines and three 1080p LCD TV lines, featuring new advanced features and cabinet styling. It also gave a sneak peek of products slated for distribution later in the year, including the previously announced laser-lamp-based 1080p DLP rear-projection line, which Mitsubishi said it will call LaserVue.
Max Wasinger, Mitsubishi sales and marketing senior VP. Sixty-inch and above is still a vibrant, substantial part of the business."
The company is not releasing detailed product specifications, screen sizes or pricing on the LaserVue line until June. However, the company did offer a side-by-side product shootout featuring a preproduction LaserVue prototype up against comparably sized 1080p plasma and LCD products. The test seemed to show significantly higher levels of contrast, black level and color saturation than either of the flat-panel products.
Frank DeMartin, Mitsubishi Digital Electric America marketing VP, said the company opted to position its entire assortment as premium lines this year in an effort to distance itself from the pricing pressures that continue to increase in the entry and middle tier segments of the flat-panel and rear-projection TV business.
The company is working with dealers that can sell the benefits and features of its products without relying on heavy price promotion. It has also opted to no longer offer derivative models.
We wanted to find a way for us to stay out of the fray, and to find a way to offer our dealers a way to be profitable, DeMartin said. There are plenty of lines out there that they can get crazy with. There was no sense for us to get in there. There have never really been true premium LCD products.
Instead of spending heavily on promoting the brand as a premium LCD TV line, DeMartin said Mitsubishi plans to lean more on dealers to help it create a new image for the line as a high-performance LCD TV supplier this year.
The bottom line is that retailers that promote your brand are going to make money on your brand. If they are making money on your line, they are going to sell you all day and all night, DeMartin said.
Meanwhile, Mitsubishi will continue to aggressively pursue the DLP rear-projection business, but in light of the declining ranks of rear-projection TV brands, Mitsubishi this year has opted to downplay the name rear projection in favor of 60- inch and-above big screen, to underscore the price advantage of DLP in the 60-inch and larger screen sizes. It is also opting to stress the LaserVue name for its lineup of laser-based DLP sets coming in the third quarter of 2008.
We talk about 60-inch and above as a category, said Max Wasinger, Mitsubishi sales and marketing senior VP. Sixty-inch and above is still a vibrant, substantial part of the business, and still a vital part of our dealers' opportunities to do business going forward.
The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments' new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability. All DLP models will also include the company's six-color processor to enhance color saturation.
Mitsubishi expects Hollywood's renewed interest in 3-D movies with the forthcoming home theater release of Beowulf and others to help spark interest in its DLP products later this year. The Mitsubishi line will support use of 3-D glasses offered by several third-party suppliers to create the effect.
The 735 DLP series will include the 60- ($1,799 suggested retail), 65- ($2,199) and 73-inch ($3,199) screen sizes.
The step-up 736 series will include the 65- ($2,499) and 73-inch ($3,599) screen sizes. Additional features include a different cosmetic design, wired IR, NetCommand, DeepField Imager contrast enhancement and a front HDMI input.
The 835 Diamond DLP series will feature the 65- ($3,399) and 73-inch ($4,699) screen sizes. Features include a high gloss back cosmetic design with blue-light accents, Smooth120Hz frame-rate conversion, wired IR, NetCommand and Dark Detailer, which further enhances image detail in dark areas.
The LCD lineup, which will ship in May, includes the 148, 149 and 246 (Diamond) series. All offer 1080p HD resolution, 120Hz frame rates and ultra-thin frame bezels, measuring smaller than 1-inch thick. The 120Hz frame-rate technology also has been improved this year with de-judder techniques to smooth out motion in images.
In the conversion of film-to-video for display, 24Hz artifacts can be seen in slow panning scenes. Mitsubishi's 120Hz Film Motion technology is said to eliminate the artifacts and smooth out fast or slow moving content.
The Diamond series will add a variable control of the de-judder process to enable film lovers to dial up or down the level of judder in an image to keep the feel of film, the company said.
All LCD TVs use 10-bit panels, six-color processors, x.v.Color and Deep Color capabilities.
All LCD models will also play still frame images from GalleryPlayer using a thumb drive that will plug into an included USB2.0 port on each set.
The 148 LCD TV series, which Mitsubishi said is not an entry level line at all, will include the 40- ($2,499), 46- ($2,999) and 52-inch ($3,599) screen sizes.
The 246 Diamond series will include the 46- ($3,799) and 52-inch ($4,499) screen sizes. Step-up features will include the aforementioned Variable Smooth120Hz Film Motion system, DeepField Imager for higher contrast imagery, a high-gloss cabinet design with blue-light accents, and a low-profile speaker design. Sound is also improved through optimized speaker apertures.
DeMartin said Mitsubishi is looking at using RGB LED backlighting in future LCD products, but, We felt it wasn't right yet. One of the big issues is cost, among other factors.
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My local hh***** has the 65735 in stock and i checked it out last week. It looks great viewing angles were amazing!!!!!! I think the 60735 and 65736 will be out on May 1st. I am thinking of picking up the 65736 but may not be able to wait for it, if it's not out soon and may go with 65735. ( my old tv died two weeks ago)
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hh?
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Thread Starter 
Anyone see when the 73735 will be out?
post #6 of 3012
Thread Starter 
Can someone explain (since the 735 has so many features including Darkchip 4 - that looked great in the photos at least), what PICTURE quality differences the 736 will offer for that much more money?

DeepField Imager contrast enhancement - is this a dynamic contrast ratio???
Darkfield imager? Huh?
post #7 of 3012
Mitsubishi lingo..
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Originally Posted by arthurvino View Post

hh?

HH Gregg
post #9 of 3012
Saw a 735 today at CC. I was surprised that it compared well with both the brightness and contrast when compared to the a650 lcd and xbr4 lcd close to it. The color red specifically (sic?), was much better than the all the displays around it. If this TV, does not have a dynamic iris, I would really like to see one that has it. I believe that it would be really good. I'm actually surprised how much better the TV looks in comparison with all the new Samsung dlps-and those do have the dynamic iris (a650 and a750 dlp).
post #10 of 3012
Thread Starter 
arthurvino,

Can you tranlsate the mits lingo for me? So is that lingo for "dynamic iris" on the 736? What exactly does that do?
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Any more info about these? I'm really surprised no one is looking into these over the Samsungs since spec-for-spec these should destroy the Sammies.
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I'm in the market for one of these now (either 65735 or 65736) to replace my 6 year old 65" mits (65809) which just started the old warpped screen/bowing issue. I've been very happy with my current mits (6 year life is all I could ask i think) and I'm hopeful this new DPL line will be as good (that's right equal quality will be just fine by me). On my way to see a 65735 right now at my local BSS. Will post my thoughts when I get back.

By the way, from what little research I've done so far it appears street price will be well below MSRP right from the get go. For me that means paying almost half what I did 6 years ago (isn't technological advancement great?).
post #13 of 3012
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Originally Posted by JackNine View Post

Any more info about these? I'm really surprised no one is looking into these over the Samsungs since spec-for-spec these should destroy the Sammies.

Looks like it, but specs and performance are two different things. I'm psyched they will be out soon (except no LaserVue until Summer).

I plan to buy the 73736 and the sammy 72A650 at the same time and compare. Then return both, and then when the 73835 comes out, buy that and the one that won the first battle (again) and compare those to get to the ultimate 70"+ rear project winner for 2008!

Mostly because I'm impatient and don't want to deal with 3 TVs at one time also.
post #14 of 3012
Thread Starter 
SO why the 73736 over the 73735.....??? What is the $500 getting you buy another front panel HDMI connector?
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Is there a clear justification of a $900 price difference in the 65" models between the 736 model and 835 model??? That is quite a price leap from one model to the next.
post #16 of 3012
Sorry to be dense here, but are the 735/736 the new '08 sets for the Diamond series? Or will that be the 835 (which hasn't come out yet)?

Thanks.
post #17 of 3012
Just re-read the article above. I answered my own question. So the question is now what additional features do you get for the 835 that you don't get with the 735/736?
post #18 of 3012
My local BSS had a 65735 which I compared to their 65833 and to my eyes (that's the key) the 65735 was a bit better. If price and features we're not a concern I'd be just as happy with either, picture wise. The difference, again slight to my eye, was a brighter picture (bit more pop) with the newer 735 model. I'll also add that I saw a new sammy HL61A750 at CC yesterday and for me the mits 735 is again a bit better picture wise. Bottom line, for me the 65735, given it's street price, is my winner for picture.

Now the only question is 735 or 736 (and we all know $500 is not the street difference). So for a little more cash what do you get? Note I haven't SEEN a 736 but according to the spec sheets the 736 adds

1. High Gloss Black Accent on the cabinet
2. Netcommand ("control over your HT with one remote) - beyond that discription I really don't know what this is. I thought I got the same functionality with my 6 year old set (???)
3. Wired IR Input
4. DeepField Imager (I don't know what real impact this has on the picture quality?)
5. Front HDMI 1.3a Input (735 comes with 3 all in the rear of the set, this is the 4th HDMI on the 736)

To me, nothing jumps outs, again not having seen a 736, that would warrant spending to much more for a 736 other than maybe the front HDMI. So help me out (I'm an HDMI novice) what applications would the front HDMI come in handy now or down the road?
post #19 of 3012
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

Looks like it, but specs and performance are two different things. I'm psyched they will be out soon (except no LaserVue until Summer).

I plan to buy the 73736 and the sammy 72A650 at the same time and compare. Then return both, and then when the 73835 comes out, buy that and the one that won the first battle (again) and compare those to get to the ultimate 70"+ rear project winner for 2008!

Mostly because I'm impatient and don't want to deal with 3 TVs at one time also.

thats why stores change their return policies.
people like u abuse them
post #20 of 3012
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

thats why stores change their return policies.
people like u abuse them

I don't consider it abuse. It's not like I plan to keep tvs for 30 days, then get another and keep doing it just because. The reality is that you cannot have an honest comparison in store. The TVs are not calibrated in a way that makes it possible to make the best decision. You actually have to get these TVs home and do at least some basic calibration to figure out which look the best in a real world setting.

I find this to be unique to TVs.
post #21 of 3012
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

I don't consider it abuse. It's not like I plan to keep tvs for 30 days, then get another and keep doing it just because. The reality is that you cannot have an honest comparison in store. The TVs are not calibrated in a way that makes it possible to make the best decision. You actually have to get these TVs home and do at least some basic calibration to figure out which look the best in a real world setting.

I find this to be unique to TVs.

the store and it's shareholders lose money on every set you return because they have to sell that open box at a discount.

quit screwing up my 401K!!!!
post #22 of 3012
As of 735/736 differences.
Cosmetic difference may be usefull upgrade if design matters. Old 833 certainly looks much sharper with blue light accent in the living room. There is possibly better bracing of the cabinet (most likely in Diamond since on specs it is heavier), thus improved geometry. Pure speculation here.
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Originally Posted by Al_HiFi View Post

As of 735/736 differences.
Cosmetic difference may be usefull upgrade if design matters. Old 833 certainly looks much sharper with blue light accent in the living room. There is possibly better bracing of the cabinet (most likely in Diamond since on specs it is heavier), thus improved geometry. Pure speculation here.

I agree that cosmetics should be considered for upgrading but only at a reasonable price differential. Mits has purposely made the Diamond line look better than other models (I really like/want the stupid blue lights!), and that's good for them - great marketing ploy. The problem for me is to get a Diamond model I'd have buy from a "Diamond Dealer", and these dealers know they can charge a premium due to limited competition.

At this point I can purchase a 735 for HALF the price of an 835. For that differential the blue lights can find their way to someone elses living room thank you. But that's good for us, the consumer, because we have the power to choice what's right for us.
post #24 of 3012
In case of 735 to 736 upgrade you get better look with extra processing, extra IR connectivity and extra HDMI on front for just additional $150 (Big river prices used).
Makes sense to me.
Diamond unfortunately is major premium.
post #25 of 3012
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Originally Posted by Al_HiFi View Post

In case of 735 to 736 upgrade you get better look with extra processing, extra IR connectivity and extra HDMI on front for just additional $150 (Big river prices used).
Makes sense to me.
Diamond unfortunately is major premium.

There is only a few hundred buck difference between the 735 and the 736 series. I could see how a front HDMI input would be useful if one had one of the newer HD Camcorders with HDMI output. But my original question is where on earth does Mits justify a frickin $900 price difference between the 65" in the 736 series and the Diamond series. That is some serious cash. Does the 120 mhz processing of the Diamond series and the blue lights make for a $900 price difference????
post #26 of 3012
Thread Starter 
So the 735->736 adds "deep field imager" - what is that? Is that dynamic iris??
post #27 of 3012
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Originally Posted by Hipnotiq View Post

the store and it's shareholders lose money on every set you return because they have to sell that open box at a discount.

quit screwing up my 401K!!!!

Won't find me crying for the stores. They are the same people always pressuiring you to buy the more expensive LCDs and Plasmas, calibrating them to look better, and then trying to convince you to buy overpriced warranties and $150 HDMI cables (my $2 cables work great).

In reality, the only reason a lot fo people by TVs from B&Ms is the return policy. THey kill that, they lose a ton of customers and they know it. I actually realize that at times I may have to pay a premium at the B&M, a bit more than I could do elsewhere online (after negotiating down), but I pay it for the flexibility of the return policy.
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Originally Posted by TNVOL View Post

There is only a few hundred buck difference between the 735 and the 736 series. I could see how a front HDMI input would be useful if one had one of the newer HD Camcorders with HDMI output. But my original question is where on earth does Mits justify a frickin $900 price difference between the 65" in the 736 series and the Diamond series. That is some serious cash. Does the 120 mhz processing of the Diamond series and the blue lights make for a $900 price difference????

The Diamond series is goign to be LaserVue (lasers instead of bulbs). They are claiming better PQ, color, etc. No bulb to replace. Who knows if it is worth $900 (street price will probably bring that difference down). We'll see midsummer I guess.
post #29 of 3012
Laservue is separate from the Diamond series. Well, let me clarify - I am pretty certain they are making a DLP lamp based Diamond. The Laservue doesn't come out until 3rd quarter. DLP Diamond I believe comes out next month.
post #30 of 3012
u r confused..

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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

The Diamond series is goign to be LaserVue (lasers instead of bulbs). They are claiming better PQ, color, etc. No bulb to replace. Who knows if it is worth $900 (street price will probably bring that difference down). We'll see midsummer I guess.
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