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post #31 of 3012
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Originally Posted by arthurvino View Post

u r confused..

That's my normal state.

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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Laservue is separate from the Diamond series. Well, let me clarify - I am pretty certain they are making a DLP lamp based Diamond. The Laservue doesn't come out until 3rd quarter. DLP Diamond I believe comes out next month.

I stand corrected. Then I am just as confused as the original poster on what the $900 difference will be.
post #32 of 3012
Thread Starter 
How was the display centering on the 2007 units with DVI->HDMI for 1080p XP/VISTA desktops /media centers???
post #33 of 3012
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

Won't find me crying for the stores. They are the same people always pressuiring you to buy the more expensive LCDs and Plasmas, calibrating them to look better, and then trying to convince you to buy overpriced warranties and $150 HDMI cables (my $2 cables work great).

I think you missed his point. He was saying that people ABUSING store return policies cost the store money. The store not making as much money as it would have causes the stock price to drop.
Any person with a 401K certainly has a stake in the retail industry. As retail stores growth dwindles, your 401K makes less money.

I think he was trying to make the point that stealing ends up hurting everyone not just the big companies because they pass the buck along to the consumer. Just like insurance fraud...those people that think they are getting a few hundred or thousand dollars end up paying more than that in the long run, as do we all.
post #34 of 3012
Just got back from the Circuit City and Best Buy stores here in Pearland, TX off of 518. CC had the new 57" and 65" models on display but not the 60" one which I'm in the market for. Both models looked very good alongside the Samsungs but I wouldn't say they stood out. Of course the way the store sets up their displays could vary but I was pleased with the picture quality. I then drove down the street to BB and they only had one Mitsubishi 65" on display and it was the old 2007 model. When I asked the sales person if they have any of the new 2008 models he wasn't even aware that there were new models out.

So I'm gonna try and wait to see if CC will get the 60" model in and go take a look at that. If my patience wears thin I may just grab the 65" model.
post #35 of 3012
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Originally Posted by TNVOL View Post

Is there a clear justification of a $900 price difference in the 65" models between the 736 model and 835 model??? That is quite a price leap from one model to the next.

Well, according to the press release and for what we know right now... the 735, 736 and 835 (Diamonds) -ALL- have the following:

• 1080p HDTV resolution
• Texas Instruments Dark Chip 4 DMD
• Improved five-color wheel
• Thinner frames
• Increased brightness
• HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability
• Six-color processor for enhanced color saturation


And the 736 adds the following on top of the above:

• Different cosmetic design
• Wired IR
• NetCommand
• DeepField Imager contrast enhancement
• 1 front HDMI input


And the 835 (Diamond) adds the following on top of the above:

• High gloss back cosmetic design with blue-light accents
• Smooth120Hz frame-rate conversion
• Dark Detailer, which further enhances image detail in dark areas


I'm sure there are other subtle differences as well. I didn't see any mention of the built-in "TV Guide" features that the last series had so who knows if maybe only the Diamond will feature this.
post #36 of 3012
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Originally Posted by trapperjohnMD View Post

I think you missed his point. He was saying that people ABUSING store return policies cost the store money. The store not making as much money as it would have causes the stock price to drop.
Any person with a 401K certainly has a stake in the retail industry. As retail stores growth dwindles, your 401K makes less money.

I think he was trying to make the point that stealing ends up hurting everyone not just the big companies because they pass the buck along to the consumer. Just like insurance fraud...those people that think they are getting a few hundred or thousand dollars end up paying more than that in the long run, as do we all.

First, if you think this is a major issue that is hurting the stock prices of these companies, or your 401ks, well then, go on believing. Returns and return policies are already built into business costs and projects, etc.

Second, it's not abuse in my mind, your opinion is that it is. We'll have to disagree.

Last, insurance fraud is a crime. Good luck convincing me that the two have anything to do with each other. I see your underlying point, which is increased costs. These companies build these return policies, they project for the costs of having them (yes there is a real cost to having these return policies), and they build them into their prices already. So you're already paying for it in most cases. Now could it get much worse and change things. Of course it could, but then again maybe it won't. So there is little chance for this drive prices up. Plus they have stay competitive to make any sale. Mostly likely scenario is the dreaded restocking fee, but that then drives people back to the Internet and lower cost vendors.

Additionally, they know these policies attract customers. Just look around thsi site and see how many people opted to go B&M because of the return policy. A lot. And with every customer they get, they get some percentage of those customers to buy the additional stuff where they make really big margins and make up for everything else.

What I'm saying is, all fo this is baked into how they run their business. It's not abuse, and it's not wrong. Especially since, for me to justify paying $3000 plus for a TV, I have to MAKE SURE it is right. So without the policy, I probably don't buy anythign from them. In the end, they may get less from the sale than if I had just bought the TV outight, but they get a ton more than if I didn't by anythign at all.
post #37 of 3012
Grow up and either buy something or don't buy something.

That doesn't have anything to do with anything about who you're buying from--it has everything to do with you--either you have integrity or you don't--does your word mean anything?

What is a commitment worth from you? Anything?
post #38 of 3012
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Originally Posted by tat2boy View Post

Just got back from the Circuit City and Best Buy stores here in Pearland, TX off of 518. CC had the new 57" and 65" models on display but not the 60" one which I'm in the market for. Both models looked very good alongside the Samsungs but I wouldn't say they stood out. Of course the way the store sets up their displays could vary but I was pleased with the picture quality. I then drove down the street to BB and they only had one Mitsubishi 65" on display and it was the old 2007 model. When I asked the sales person if they have any of the new 2008 models he wasn't even aware that there were new models out.

So I'm gonna try and wait to see if CC will get the 60" model in and go take a look at that. If my patience wears thin I may just grab the 65" model.

ta2boy-Did you happen to notice if any of the new LCD's were out yet?? Like the 246 series?
post #39 of 3012
[quote=NDRugby;13787252]

Now could it get much worse and change things. Of course it could, but then again maybe it won't.

People, like you, Rugby,

who abuse the "return/exchange policy"...

have already caused COSTCO to change their policy on returns to...

within "90 days"... for computers and TV's.




What I'm saying is, all fo this is baked into how they run their business. It's not abuse, and it's not wrong.

I suspect that it's not only wrong...

but would be considered ILLEGAL

if a store was aware of your actions and...

chosed to prosecute.
post #40 of 3012
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post


Now could it get much worse and change things. Of course it could, but then again maybe it won't.

People, like you, Rugby,

who abuse the "return/exchange policy"...

have already caused COSTCO to change their policy on returns to...

within "90 days"... for computers and TV's.



What I'm saying is, all fo this is baked into how they run their business. It's not abuse, and it's not wrong.

I suspect that it's not only wrong...

but would be considered ILLEGAL

if a store was aware of your actions and...

chosed to prosecute.

Wow costco changed their Policy to withing 90 days! I'm not talking about 90 days. I'm talking about 30 at most B&Ms. I don't go out and buy a new TV for the superbowl and then return it. I don't buy a TV use it for 6 months and then return it and get another. I'm simply wanting to make a fair comparison in my home. TVs look different when you bring them home, especially after you change the settings and calibrate.

I even asked a sales manager at one of the places once if he objected to my buying 2 TVs comparing them and then returning. He had no objection because he knew I was willing to keep one. I'm not returning both and then buying online or something else. They are getting my business and I am staying within their rules.

No store would consider illegal. Their policies are that you can return a TV within 30 days for any reason, even if you just don't like it.

I reread my original post, and it was little bit out there. I probably wouldn't do it that way. I'd probably get it down to two in store and then compare.
post #41 of 3012
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Originally Posted by paul416 View Post

ta2boy-Did you happen to notice if any of the new LCD's were out yet?? Like the 246 series?

Unfortunately I didn't check out the any other LCDs or TVs for that matter. I was on a mission to find that WD-60735. I'm gonna go grab a newspaper and checkout the Sunday ads to see what deals CC will have tomorrow. If I go buy the TV tomorrow I'll check to see if they have any of the new LCDs in.
post #42 of 3012
I currently own a Sony 70" XBR2, and I am thinking about selling it and purchasing the new 73" Diamond Mit, mainly because of how much thinner it is. Does anyone think think is a mistake? I really like the Sony, and I am a little worried about the fan noise I read about with the Mit.

Probably not the best place to get an unbiased opinion, but thought I would ask anyway.

Thanks
post #43 of 3012
If this is a owners thread where are all the owners?
post #44 of 3012
Thread Starter 
Well, mine is on order
post #45 of 3012
I have had my 65735 for a week now, (delivered April 28, `08)
It still amazes us how crystal clear the pic is, how vibrant and beautiful the picture is..

I had a 3 1/2 year old Hitachi 57" that I sold to buy this and I am so glad I did..

My wife has commented numerous times "It looks like you are right there" (and it does)..

We have the same set up as with the Hitachi, which includes DirecTV HD and a HD-DVD player..

I used an 'Avia II' disc to tweak the settings and that has seemed to 'dumb' it down slightly..
(the contrast and brightness and the tint were up too high out of the box) but it is still an amazing picture..

Neither of us hear any fan noise at all, and my wife has very good hearing..
I had to put my ear right up next to the fan to even tell if it was running..

No complaints or issues about anything with this TV..
post #46 of 3012
Thread Starter 
How is the geometry and screen? Is it solid? Did you do any rest patterns or hook up a laptop?
post #47 of 3012
Thread Starter 
Few more questions....

How solidis the footprint - looks great but I worry it is wobbly
How does it look with the xbox?
Why have you not upgraded to xbox360 for Halo3, GTA4, and COD4, and XBLA?
DId you compare the 735 and 736?
post #48 of 3012
I ordered my 65735 this weekend, with a current delivery date of 5/13 (it's on back order so the date could slip). Can't wait, I think for the price the HD picture quality can't be beat.

Deserthorizons, do you mind if I ask where you got your stand from? I'm replacing my 6 yr old big box floor standing mits and need to get a stand quick or watch lying on the floor Looks like yours is cherry which is what I'd like to get as well.
post #49 of 3012
Desert horizons, please tell me that is a DVD and not a Blu-Ray or HD DVD.

To all, the Diamond models always had a huge premium. Fry's will discount the base models and the Medallions but (afaik) never the Diamonds.

What do these 2008? (wouldn't it be 2009?) models add that the previous year didn't? Do the new Diamonds actually display 1080p24 at a 5:5 cadence or still do a 3:2 pulldown then double it to 120fps? The 2006/2007 models starting w/ the Medallion up to the Diamonds had Netcommand.

To the guy w/ geometry/bowing problems on his RPTV, a coworker of mine replaced a bad geometry chip in his Mits for like $20 to fix the problem.
post #50 of 3012
Mitsubishi WD-73833 has 2 IEEE 1394 digital audio/video ports for HD record/play with compatible components:




Does anybody know if new WD-73835 has those too?
post #51 of 3012
Do these new models still have overscan on all inputs / modes? The question being, if you connect a computer to one of the inputs can you see the entire desktop or is part of it cut off on all sides? My understanding is that all of the previous Mits DLP's have had overscan.
post #52 of 3012
Thread Starter 
With the new NVIDIA or ATI drivers you can just make a "custom" 1880x1060p picture or whatever to KEEP 1:1 mapping....

You really want a LITTLE overscan for OTA stuff - even some HD channels in chicago are messed up with 1:1 and 0% overscan
post #53 of 3012
For those considering the WD-65735, CC has it onsale for $1799 for the week. Add a 8% off $199 coupon (from either AAA or ebay) and that's $1656 + tax. That's a bargain for a screen that size and it's performance.

It's replacing a 4 years old Panny 53" CRT RPTV which I got from CC as well for $1k (which at that time was a bargain as well!).

I'm going to place the order at my local CC this afternoon and hope to get it by weeks end.
post #54 of 3012
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

How is the geometry and screen? Is it solid? Did you do any test patterns or hook up a laptop?

Geometry looks perfect , however I am NOT going to look for imperfections like
some people have done on here and then regretted it when they found some
I really like the fact that the screen does not reflect anywhere near as much as the Hitachi did..
We were contemplating painting the room a dark color so as to reduce the glare, but with this TV it will not be necessary..

The test patterns I did are the ones that came with the 'Avia II' disc and they were spot on when I did them..
No laptop hookup, yet..
post #55 of 3012
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Originally Posted by sjchmura View Post

Few more questions....

How solid is the footprint - looks great but I worry it is wobbly.?

How does it look with the xbox?

Why have you not upgraded to xbox360 for Halo3, GTA4, and COD4, and XBLA?

DId you compare the 735 and 736?

It seems entirely stable..
No wobbliness, I even have it on a sheet so as not to scratch the stand until I get a piece of glass made for it and it sits perfect..

I only have one game in HD for the Xbox, Dragon's Lair 3D, and it looked amazing..
smoooooooth, clear, and colorful..
It looks much better than the Hitachi did..

I don't really care for console gaming enough to spend that kind of money.. I prefer to game on my computer
with my 22" monitor, and because I sit so much closer, it appears larger than the TV..

I compared the 735 and the 736, but the differences in the sets, to ME, did not justify another $400.00..
What the 736 has that the 735 does not
Different cosmetic design
Wired IR
NetCommand
DeepField Imager contrast enhancement
1 front HDMI input
The only thing I was interested in was the extra HDMI port, but I already have a switcher I used with the Hitachi..

I got this from Tiger Direct for $1799 w/ Free Shipping and No Tax..
I originally oredered a 733, but somebody ordered the last one just before I got my order in, so I was put on backorder,
after 4 days I called and changed to the 735..
post #56 of 3012
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Originally Posted by TennHokies View Post

Deserthorizons, do you mind if I ask where you got your stand from? Looks like yours is cherry which is what I'd like to get as well.


I got it from Walmart for $198
.....Link to Sauder TV Stand.....
I wanted one of those new, modern looking , open sided ones,,,, the wife wanted this one..
,,,So we compromised...
It is not cherry wood, it is actually Maple..
I took that picture to do a review for the Walmart site and to show how much darker it is than what they show..
For some reason in pictures it comes out much lighter..
I am glad I got this one however, as it hides ALL the frickin wires
so much better than the one I wanted would have..
It also comes with 2 doors for the center, but I left those off as I thought it looked better without them..
I also did a little tweaking to the stand.
I cut some larger holes in the backboard for more ventilation, and I put some wheels on it so I could move it out to get to the back..
post #57 of 3012
What exactly is a Wired IR anyway? And the DeepField Imager contrast enhancement? What does that do? I just wish it had the 120hx frame rate conversion.
post #58 of 3012
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

Desert horizons, please tell me that is a DVD and not a Blu-Ray or HD DVD.

That picture is not even close to the quality I get with a DVD.. let alone HD DVD..
(It is a HD DVD player in the pic, however..)
That is from a broadcast of "Back to the Future" on a SD channel this weekend..

I took the pic to do a review of the stand for Walmart, not to show off the TV..
post #59 of 3012
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Originally Posted by Jamers View Post

What exactly is a Wired IR anyway?

For use with IR repeaters, fancy remote controls (Crestron, AMX, etc.), and the like. Definitely a useful feature if you have a fancy system and a remote control system that can make use of it.
post #60 of 3012
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Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

Mitsubishi WD-73833 has 2 IEEE 1394 digital audio/video ports for HD record/play with compatible components:

Does anybody know if new WD-73835 has those too?


I just looked at mine and NO, it does not..
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