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post #3001 of 12473
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Originally Posted by kokobucks View Post

It's a great receiver if you ever decide to get one (though by then I'm sure there will be newer great ones).

But I guess saving $1500 is always good.

A few have said they have had syncing issues, I'm not one.

I even run a DVI to HDMI from my laptop, start a movie that is playing on my laptop, listen to it via headphones from my laptop and the lips are in perfect sync. Even if HDMI2 isn't listed as PC.

I thought about Denon, almost bought an Onkyo, but still feel that Yamaha is still the best bang for the buck, imo. Glad I went with the HTR-6160, I don't regret it.
post #3002 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RevToTheRedline View Post

I am really in the market for the A650 series, but I hear the A750 doesn't have the two reported problems that the A650 has (or at least they aren't as bad) the purple haze and flashlight "backlight bleed" issues related to the A650.

Is the A750 free of those two issues?

Purple 750 sets have been reported, and all LCDs have clouding/flashlighting issues.

This is the best LCD on the market.
post #3003 of 12473
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Originally Posted by aquastorm View Post

No game mode with no AMP:

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Game mode with no AMP:


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HDMI2/DVI input named PC:
Please note that naming HDMI2/DVI grays out many settings including amp only when connected to a PC. If you attempt to name this input as PC when connected to a NTSC source such as STB, Tivo, or game console it doesn't lessen the amount of input lag nor disable certain settings such as AMP.

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What was it that you all were saying that this tv has NO input lag? For those educated gamers out there this is your answer to whether or not this tv is any good for gaming and or in my opinion good for anything really. As you can see even with game mode on this set has atleast 60ms of lag which is EXTREMELY poor especially for a mode that should be the fastest of all modes. I went out and spent almost a hundred bucks just for the cables to perform these tests so that people will have the facts about the lag on this set and not a bunch of useless opinions from people that don't know what they are talking about.

As a side note I didn't even take any pictures with AMP on that would REALLY make the numbers even higher I'm sure, maybe I will try that tomorrow.

Test done with Imac in maximum resolution mode of 1680 by 1050 Mirror mode via DVI to HDMI on HDMI2/DVI input.

A comparison test done on a Sharp 26 inch HD LCD with no lag to show reliability of testing setup:


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I just started reading this thread, so sorry to to comment on this late and I'm reading as much as I can, but this isn't really a valid test. You do clearly show the settings of the TV do have some impact on the input lag and people who say "there's no lag" simply don't notice it. But another factor to consider is the Apple's built-in LCD itself should itself have lag, so it may be that the Samsung may have even greater lag that reported in the screenshots.

But a bigger factor skewing this is this test assumes output from the video card to both displays is perfectly synchronized. This probably isn't the case because the way video cards work, even if you set them to clone the display, the output to each display almost always comes from separate frame buffers and they may not necessarily be perfectly synched up. It takes time for the image from the primary display buffer to be copied to the secondary display buffer. So depending on the video card and settings, it may mean the Samsung may be faster or slower than what's reported.

The true way to test input lag would be to take a single source, split the signal, and send one to a CRT and the other to the Samsung LCD.
post #3004 of 12473
I hesitantly post this, as there has been quite a bit of shenanigans in this thread about 'lag,' however this is my experience:

In Movie Mode, with AMP on Low, most of the dynamic type processing off, and some color calibration set I get a bit of delay between the video and the audio. The audio comes first of course.

My receiver (Outlaw 1070) has a lip sync function that has 10ms steps. I played around with some test patterns for video/audio sync, and compared to actual video content. On my system 30ms seems to dial it in.

This same settings works for both my D* HR21 via HDMI3 and my Oppo 980 via HDMI1. While I've played a bit with my Macbook on HDMI 2, I did not do any lip sync tests as I very rarely hook the computer up to the set.

I also didn't get around to doing any lip sync when using USB or DNLA sources, although I would imagine they should be close to 0ms as the TV should be able to adjust for its processing latency.

I'd also like to note that I didn't need to do this when I had the 4069. Not that it didn't have latency, but it must have been well enough under 10ms to not matter.
post #3005 of 12473
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

DLNA requires a hardwired nework drop. Only Infolink works over wireless.

You're right.
Sorry for the wrong information
post #3006 of 12473
is the design flaw a deal breaker for this tv?
post #3007 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

is the design flaw a deal breaker for this tv?

Not by a long shot. It's probably worst when you wall mount it, which I pretty much won't, since I already have a 4' entertainment stand to place it on.
post #3008 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

is the design flaw a deal breaker for this tv?

No way---best LCD I've seen. IMHO.
post #3009 of 12473
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Originally Posted by milescortez View Post

No way---best LCD I've seen. IMHO.

Concurred. After all, I don't think that the Halo Effect is any worse than Philips' Ambilight feature, and doesn't really distract from anything on the screen itself. Actually, the Halo Effect is better than Ambilight, imo.
post #3010 of 12473
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Originally Posted by TVDaveM View Post

I just started reading this thread, so sorry to to comment on this late and I'm reading as much as I can, but this isn't really a valid test. You do clearly show the settings of the TV do have some impact on the input lag and people who say "there's no lag" simply don't notice it. But another factor to consider is the Apple's built-in LCD itself should itself have lag, so it may be that the Samsung may have even greater lag that reported in the screenshots.

But a bigger factor skewing this is this test assumes output from the video card to both displays is perfectly synchronized. This probably isn't the case because the way video cards work, even if you set them to clone the display, the output to each display almost always comes from separate frame buffers and they may not necessarily be perfectly synched up. It takes time for the image from the primary display buffer to be copied to the secondary display buffer. So depending on the video card and settings, it may mean the Samsung may be faster or slower than what's reported.

The true way to test input lag would be to take a single source, split the signal, and send one to a CRT and the other to the Samsung LCD.

Why you gotta bring up the painful past dude, I thought we were past this

I let everyone know this trolls tests were invalid, and he seems to have gone back to his cave. The concensus seems to be that there is minor lag in standard mode with image processing on (30-50ms) and no lag in game mode which turns off the image processing. Im still gaming on my 750 every weekend, absolutely love it.
post #3011 of 12473
Playing Gearsof War on my 52" 750 last night was great. Even the Wii looks fairly good for 480p. I'll get the component cables and see if i can improve the quality a little more.

Where can i get a decent HDMI/DVI/VGA cable? I'm thinking... 12ft should be good to connect my G4 (vga input) to it. If that video card can pump out the signal needed. If I have to use my Mac Pro, then i would need a 20ft cord (DVI input).
post #3012 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

is the design flaw a deal breaker for this tv?

Are you talking about the "halo" on the bezel? I almost never see it. The only time I can see it is if I stand up so that my eye level is roughly 12-18 inches above the top of the TV. Then, looking down on the tv, I can see the "halo" on the top edge of the bezel. I would call it more of a reflection, really, but anyway it is not bothersome at all.

By the way, my old Sony Wega had very bad reflections on the portion of the bezel that comes outward from the screen. That was far worse, and after I had that TV for a couple of days, I didn't notice it at all.
post #3013 of 12473
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Originally Posted by amademann View Post

Playing Gearsof War on my 52" 750 last night was great. Even the Wii looks fairly good for 480p. I'll get the component cables and see if i can improve the quality a little more.

Where can i get a decent HDMI/DVI/VGA cable? I'm thinking... 12ft should be good to connect my G4 (vga input) to it. If that video card can pump out the signal needed. If I have to use my Mac Pro, then i would need a 20ft cord (DVI input).

Wii is 480i until you get the component cables, then you can go up to 480p. Let me know if you see a huge difference.

I suggest MonoPrice for all your cable needs. Best prices I have found for quality cables. Click the link at the top of the page.
post #3014 of 12473
Robert Heron (Former TechTV employee) turned PCMag HDTV guru, awarded the A750 his highest score and editors choice yesterday.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2321777,00.asp
post #3015 of 12473
Alright it's a done deal, stamp of approval. Going with the 40A750, it's not that much more than the A650 and it has a few features I'd like to have.

Thanks for all the info in this thread. (And the A650 thread)
post #3016 of 12473
so is there or is there not a major lag issue wit the 650/750?
post #3017 of 12473
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

so is there or is there not a major lag issue wit the 650/750?

post #3018 of 12473
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Originally Posted by caa100 View Post

Are you talking about the "halo" on the bezel? I almost never see it. The only time I can see it is if I stand up so that my eye level is roughly 12-18 inches above the top of the TV. Then, looking down on the tv, I can see the "halo" on the top edge of the bezel. I would call it more of a reflection, really, but anyway it is not bothersome at all.

By the way, my old Sony Wega had very bad reflections on the portion of the bezel that comes outward from the screen. That was far worse, and after I had that TV for a couple of days, I didn't notice it at all.

It does depend on the angle you are viewing from...if I sit low in my chair, or stand up, I can see it sometimes. If you angle your screen for your "favorite chair" I don't think it's an issue. I probably would not have even noticed it if I had not read it on here a dozen times.
post #3019 of 12473
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Originally Posted by jrb03 View Post

Wii is 480i until you get the component cables, then you can go up to 480p. Let me know if you see a huge difference.

I suggest MonoPrice for all your cable needs. Best prices I have found for quality cables. Click the link at the top of the page.

I have not ventured into the component cables for the Wii...trying to figure out how to work it all through my system, as my receiver does not have HDMI inputs, etc. (10 year old Yamaha, which still rocks.) I wanted my audio to flow through my receiver, so I have to input the Wii through the VCR, etc...at some point, I'll figure it out.
post #3020 of 12473
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Oh yeah, and the 46", the size I'm looking at, seems to have dropped off to $2,500 MSRP, which is sweet. That's about $300 less than the Z4100 I was looking at. Looks more like a no-brainer decision to go with ol' Sammy-boy already...

hey how did the Z look compared to teh 750? did you see the fireworks on teh Z
post #3021 of 12473
well i plan on putting this tv on the wall....
post #3022 of 12473
the halo is actually a mirror reflection on the underside of the glass coating on the top/side edges of the bezel. If you stick your finger under the top edge bezel you can see your finger on the top halo portion.
post #3023 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

well i plan on putting this tv on the wall....

There are a good number of people that have mounted the TV on the wall, hopefully they'll respond. Mine is on a stand.

But like others, I see the halo (only when it is dark in the room), but at this point I only notice it when look for it. It isn't distracting, IMO. I'm 10' away from the TV and my eyes have to move from the main picture to find the halo.
post #3024 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

well i plan on putting this tv on the wall....

There is a halo, doesn't bother me, I think of it as ambilight. The way I get rid of it if I want is with bias lighting (lighting behind the TV). It serves 2 purposes, eye strain and blacker blacks.

Mosh~~
post #3025 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RevToTheRedline View Post

Robert Heron (Former TechTV employee) turned PCMag HDTV guru, awarded the A750 his highest score and editors choice yesterday.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2321777,00.asp

That's crazy the A750 measured the same as the Pioneer Elite 150FD in black level. I wonder what Kuro owners will think of that?
post #3026 of 12473
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Originally Posted by RevToTheRedline View Post

Robert Heron (Former TechTV employee) turned PCMag HDTV guru, awarded the A750 his highest score and editors choice yesterday.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2321777,00.asp

I think the first official review of the 750. Nice recommendation. Let's see if cnet does one in the near future. My guess not considering they did the 650.
post #3027 of 12473
Its about time that review came out.

Hi Mark,

I'm not sure what the holdup on that review is - I'll ping my editors today to see what's up.

FYI: I also reviewed the A550 model as well that same week - another really good effort from Samsung (although the 750 did some things better - image quality wise.) I also have a 6-series plasma from Samsung scheduled for review soon (new "ultra filter bright" surface filter that really cuts down on reflections.)

Thanks and take care,

Robert

This was wrote to me on 6-11-08 Nthstar
post #3028 of 12473
Well, just visited Cnet's Reviews to see if they reviewed this, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they quite scored this as high as the A650, which was a big surprise, knowing that the A750 actually had more bells and whistles. Needless to say, I still feel that with the small price gap between the two on Amazon, this may be pretty much worth it, imo. I mean, just so long as the price gap remains narrow, I'm definitely going with this one.
post #3029 of 12473
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Originally Posted by TVDaveM View Post

I just started reading this thread, so sorry to to comment on this late and I'm reading as much as I can, but this isn't really a valid test. You do clearly show the settings of the TV do have some impact on the input lag and people who say "there's no lag" simply don't notice it. But another factor to consider is the Apple's built-in LCD itself should itself have lag, so it may be that the Samsung may have even greater lag that reported in the screenshots.

But a bigger factor skewing this is this test assumes output from the video card to both displays is perfectly synchronized. This probably isn't the case because the way video cards work, even if you set them to clone the display, the output to each display almost always comes from separate frame buffers and they may not necessarily be perfectly synched up. It takes time for the image from the primary display buffer to be copied to the secondary display buffer. So depending on the video card and settings, it may mean the Samsung may be faster or slower than what's reported.

The true way to test input lag would be to take a single source, split the signal, and send one to a CRT and the other to the Samsung LCD.


Doesn't the Guitar Hero series have a lag test? Maybe someone who has a ps3or xbox360 can post their adjustments.
post #3030 of 12473
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Well, just visited Cnet's Reviews to see if they reviewed this, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they quite scored this as high as the A650, which was a big surprise, knowing that the A750 actually had more bells and whistles. Needless to say, I still feel that with the small price gap between the two on Amazon, this may be pretty much worth it, imo. I mean, just so long as the price gap remains narrow, I'm definitely going with this one.

"On a flagship TV, one big reservation is the price tag--those interactive doo-dads are not worth the $600 difference between this model and the LN46A650, in our opinion--which along with said design issues helped earn the 750 series a lower score than its 650 series line mates. Another is the assurance that later in the year, even higher-end sets will hit the market, likely with better LED backlighting than we saw on the 2007 Samsung LN-T4681F. For now, however, the LN46A750 stands secure as king of the feature hill."


Sounds like you didnt read the review to me. Yes it scored lower, but only because they dont like the higher price tag than the a650. A quick look at Amazon will show a $130 difference, not the $600 they claim, making it a moot point IMO.

PS, anyone who purchased the 46a750 from Amazon within the last 30 days call now to claim your price match, GREAT price right now.
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