Official Samsung LNxxA750 Owners Thread - Page 144

Originally Posted by Mike2U

I'm very interested to here responses to this as well. I would think many others are on the fence and considering the LN52A750 vs. the PN58A650 or PNA50650. With the lingering issues with AMP, off axis viewing, clouding, etc. I am surpised at how many people are buying LCds when the price points on plasmas are right there. For me the main benefit of LCD was the reduction in glare from a matte screen and now even that has been taken away on these new sets. So to me LCDs use less eelctricity and run cooler and that's about all they have on plasma. So what gives? Why is everyone buying this LCD instead of the PN5XA650?

Quote: Has anyone here that bought a 52A750 ever consider the 58A650 or 50A650 plasma? If so, why choose the 52A750 over the plasmas? Just curious because this thread has way more traffic and users leading me to think that more people are choosing the LCD over the plasma. It seems that most experts still say plasma is the superior technology but these threads have me questioning that logic. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Test123455

are clouding and flashlighting as prevalent in this set as they are in the 650?

Originally Posted by lipcrkr

There is no one superior technology. The answer to why LCD's are being chosen by more people are numerous. The decline and ultimate demise of CRT and RPTV's have basically given the reigns over to plasma and LCD. Now, plasma has been losing OEMS over the years which hasn't helped them compete with LCD's. Also, more and more people are using their displays as an entertainment hub with a PC hooked up as well as XBOX/PS3 etc. This favors LCD because LCD is not phospor based. Plasma owners tend to be non gaming, non PC participents as far as using plasma as the monitor, they primarily are DVD/Blu-Ray, cable/sat users. "Experts" have always tended to be pro plasma because of the "less is better" theory meaning a more purer, less processed picture. In fact, many pure plasma owners will tell you 1080p is not needed...a 720p on a Pioneer or Panasonic will suffice.
But the "experts" are also realizing the gap is closing, expecially with the Samsungs. Samsung has addressed some LCD issues like motion blur and black levels head on. The "experts" have recognized this and have recently mentioned that the 650/750 series has comparable inky blacks to the Kuro. The problem with plasma is lumenence. They are around 2.5 which when shown next to an LCD in a retail store will differentiate the whites. The plasma in store will look murky and dull while the LCD looks bright and vibrant. This gap closes significantly at home, however, many buyers purchase on first impression so plasma loses. Since plasmas are phospor based, you need to be more aware of image retention. Burn-in is almost impossible to achieve nowadays, however, and i have fought tooth and nail with plasma owners about this, but IMO, a plasma dictates your viewing habits instead of the other way around. How does it do this? Well, you must break it in, you have to limit a station like CNN with tickers after a certain amount of time, or you have to limit the black bars on the screen etc. A TV is meant to be enjoyed not babied. The excess mental baggage may be hazardess to your health.
As far as price points, well, if you told me 2 years ago i could get a 52" LCD with all the bells and whistles and generally regarded as arguably the best of the best for less than Michael Jordan's jersey number, well, you know the rest.
I hope i answered some of your questions about why LCD's have taken over as the display of choice.

Originally Posted by Johnny Neat

P.s. I may have some flashlights, I think that is what they are called, on the right and left top cornors of my beautiful set.

Does anyone know if there is a way to correct that issue or adjust it (them) in some way to make them disappear or not be noticeble?

I am not talking about the "Halo Effect", I actually like that.

Originally Posted by conroy9

Upscaling my 480i DVD player looks great.
Upscaling my crappy SD cable feeds - not so good..
Upscaling my VCR archives created so that I wouldn't lose my recorded shows when I traded in my SD DVR - oh the humanity. Thankfully I finally finished the last show I had so I won't be doing that again.

I'm fairly sure no other 46" TV would do a noticeably better job though

Originally Posted by lipcrkr

There is no one superior technology. The answer to why LCD's are being chosen by more people are numerous. The decline and ultimate demise of CRT and RPTV's have basically given the reigns over to plasma and LCD. Now, plasma has been losing OEMS over the years which hasn't helped them compete with LCD's. Also, more and more people are using their displays as an entertainment hub with a PC hooked up as well as XBOX/PS3 etc. This favors LCD because LCD is not phospor based. Plasma owners tend to be non gaming, non PC participents as far as using plasma as the monitor, they primarily are DVD/Blu-Ray, cable/sat users. "Experts" have always tended to be pro plasma because of the "less is better" theory meaning a more purer, less processed picture. In fact, many pure plasma owners will tell you 1080p is not needed...a 720p on a Pioneer or Panasonic will suffice.
But the "experts" are also realizing the gap is closing, expecially with the Samsungs. Samsung has addressed some LCD issues like motion blur and black levels head on. The "experts" have recognized this and have recently mentioned that the 650/750 series has comparable inky blacks to the Kuro. The problem with plasma is lumenence. They are around 2.5 which when shown next to an LCD in a retail store will differentiate the whites. The plasma in store will look murky and dull while the LCD looks bright and vibrant. This gap closes significantly at home, however, many buyers purchase on first impression so plasma loses. Since plasmas are phospor based, you need to be more aware of image retention. Burn-in is almost impossible to achieve nowadays, however, and i have fought tooth and nail with plasma owners about this, but IMO, a plasma dictates your viewing habits instead of the other way around. How does it do this? Well, you must break it in, you have to limit a station like CNN with tickers after a certain amount of time, or you have to limit the black bars on the screen etc. A TV is meant to be enjoyed not babied. The excess mental baggage may be hazardess to your health.
As far as price points, well, if you told me 2 years ago i could get a 52" LCD with all the bells and whistles and generally regarded as arguably the best of the best for less than Michael Jordan's jersey number, well, you know the rest.
I hope i answered some of your questions about why LCD's have taken over as the display of choice.

Originally Posted by lipcrkr

The "experts" have recognized this and have recently mentioned that the 650/750 series has comparable inky blacks to the Kuro. The problem with plasma is lumenence. They are around 2.5 which when shown next to an LCD in a retail store will differentiate the whites. The plasma in store will look murky and dull while the LCD looks bright and vibrant. This gap closes significantly at home, however, many buyers purchase on first impression so plasma loses.

Originally Posted by eolsen70

When I am watching mine in a dark room I put the backlight at 4. I see no flashlights. If you crank up the backlight you may see some light leak through. You will see that with any LCD.

Originally Posted by jvcarig

My main concern is with watching action movies and sports, especially football. How does the 52A750 handle sports programming? Are there any more issues with the triple ball effect? I thought 120hz was supposed to fix that but I've read that many critics don't think this does much. Perhaps the 4ms response time fixed this issue? If I can feel confident that sports will look good on this set with no blurring then I think I'd choose this set over the plasma because it seems more versatile as you mentioned below.

Originally Posted by Johnny Neat

I have mine a 3, hmm I could have sworn someone on here said something about loosening some screws on the back of the set some place would loosen pressure causing them to vanish... or maybe I'm mixing up info or sets as I also go to 64U Sharps' page as well.

So far I feel the blacks are amazing but lack detail somewhat, is it just me?
I'm using Zerog6's Movie calibration & studdad's Standard calibration which are solid for the most part.

Originally Posted by Test123455

are clouding and flashlighting as prevalent in this set as they are in the 650?

Originally Posted by chevydude26

i just got my tv and my goodness this is the most amazing tv ever....nothing beats it....

I haven't even calibrated it...

anybody know how long lcd's are supposed to last? do they have half-lifes where the brightness dies after a few years?

Originally Posted by taurus2007

Try these settings and see how it looks then.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=304

On an average, it should last at least 12 years, depending on the usage, and no, it won't get dim after a few years.

Originally Posted by chevydude26

thanks i am looking forward to trying zerog's settings i've heard amazing things about it...i'm just wondering if doing the service menu tweaks would be worth voiding my warranty...i could just get my own insurance through ebay...since i know samsung covers you for either the first 30 days or first year i forget

Originally Posted by chevydude26

thanks i am looking forward to trying zerog's settings i've heard amazing things about it...i'm just wondering if doing the service menu tweaks would be worth voiding my warranty...i could just get my own insurance through ebay...since i know samsung covers you for either the first 30 days or first year i forget

Originally Posted by taurus2007

I think loosening the screws on the back to reduce flashlights has been suggested since last year with 61/65 models. And as far as I remember, it has also discussed in Sony and Toshiba threads.

Originally Posted by Johnny Neat

P.s. I may have some flashlights, I think that is what they are called, on the right and left top cornors of my beautiful set.

Does anyone know if there is a way to correct that issue or adjust it (them) in some way to make them disappear or not be noticeble?

I am not talking about the "Halo Effect", I actually like that.

Originally Posted by chevydude26

question that cloth they give to clean the screen do you guys actually spray water on it like the picture says??

i'm scared to even touch any part of the screen

Originally Posted by 8IronBob

Hmm... Trying to give this some thought. I'm wondering if wear and tear from CEVA may cause the screen to be bumped around causing that flashlighting/clouding? Just as a matter of saying, I'm hoping for a perfect set here, but I'm wondering if most of these problems were from Amazon customers like me at all. Like the "you get what you pay for" bit where the best sets are from people that pay the full MSRP vs. the discount shoppers like us. Makes me even wonder if I'm even gonna luck out and get one that actually will be trouble free.

Originally Posted by 8IronBob

Hmm... Trying to give this some thought. I'm wondering if wear and tear from CEVA may cause the screen to be bumped around causing that flashlighting/clouding? Just as a matter of saying, I'm hoping for a perfect set here, but I'm wondering if most of these problems were from Amazon customers like me at all. Like the "you get what you pay for" bit where the best sets are from people that pay the full MSRP vs. the discount shoppers like us. Makes me even wonder if I'm even gonna luck out and get one that actually will be trouble free.

Originally Posted by taurus2007

How would transporting a tv from point A to point B have to do with flashlights and clouding? Those are more like manufacture defects, putting the thing together at the factory, Mexico. You make it would like majority of owners who bought it from amazon have some kind of defects with their set.

But if you are so concern about it, why not just pay a little more and buy it locally. I am sure the set is assemble in the back of the store when you order it instead of in Mexico, then transporting it to Samsung's warehouse, and then finally transporting it to your locally store.