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post #211 of 2871
Uhm, I believe that from the V Series up, the TV Guide EPG was a standard feature, you can find that in the XMB (the PS3-style menu that the TV uses). I'm quite sure it will work with a Cable/QAM connection, too, won't it? It'll give you listings for both your cable lineup, as well as the OTA HD?
post #212 of 2871
did you see the new 52w4100 on sonystyle.com.

IT DONT HAVE A HOLE !! See the screenshot.

am i the first to see that?
post #213 of 2871
Hmm... Wow, thanks a lot. I'll look at the 40" up close and personal at BB or CC this weekend, and try and add two and two together to see what I can expect in the 46" version of this model. Actually, the 52" might not have a hole, but the 46" version does, now that I'm looking at it. That should be released next week sometime.
post #214 of 2871
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

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Some bad news for Canadians expecting the 52W4100. it seems Sony has delayed the shipment of 52W4100 til mid-June or end of June at the latest. It will also have a MSRP of $3299.

How about the 46W4100, any hint on the release date in Canada?...
I believe the 46" was released in the USA about one week after the 40" and 52".

Thanks,
Calin
post #215 of 2871
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Originally Posted by Indiana627 View Post

I've heard the 4150 series look more like the new XBR. That is the only difference besides the longer warranty.

I personally like the looks of the 4150 better. I hope the 52W will be available like this. And I hope they'll be available from more than just Crutchfield.

Did a quick google for "46W4150", and its listed for preorder at several places. They all also price it at $2400, which I guess is the MSRP. If it gets down to $1500ish over the next few months then I think I'll have a new TV. Hopefully that frame isn't glossy.
post #216 of 2871
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Originally Posted by beoba View Post

Did a quick google for "46W4150", and its listed for preorder at several places. They all also price it at $2400, which I guess is the MSRP. If it gets down to $1500ish over the next few months then I think I'll have a new TV. Hopefully that frame isn't glossy.

Unfortunately a search on 52W4150 has no such results.
post #217 of 2871
the 52" doesnt really have a hole but a clear glass screen that makes it look like a hole. but if you seen the v model already its the same thing, just a shade or 2 colors where the speakers are place: are different.

i seen the 52w4100 on monday at the sony store here in houston! couldnt really tell b/c they had these ****** bluray promo disc! so i couldnt really judge it! but the 40 should be in today! so i might swing by for lunch!

but from what i seen so far! color is nice! on par with the xbr 4 that was pretty much right next to it! one thing i did notice was that the black wasnt as black as the xbr 4
post #218 of 2871
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Originally Posted by beoba View Post

Did a quick google for "46W4150", and its listed for preorder at several places. They all also price it at $2400, which I guess is the MSRP. If it gets down to $1500ish over the next few months then I think I'll have a new TV. Hopefully that frame isn't glossy.

Is a price drop like that reasonable to expect? I'm in the market for a 46" right now, and the 46w4100/4150 looks awesome but the price is just a bit too steep right now compared to the Sammy's. Would it be worth it to wait to see if it drops, and if so, how long does it take for prices to drop below MSRP? Thanks!
post #219 of 2871
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Originally Posted by Ajvessey View Post

Is a price drop like that reasonable to expect? I'm in the market for a 46" right now, and the 46w4100/4150 looks awesome but the price is just a bit too steep right now compared to the Sammy's. Would it be worth it to wait to see if it drops, and if so, how long does it take for prices to drop below MSRP? Thanks!

Well, if you think about it, the Z4100 is $100 less in MSRP than the A650 was when it was first released, so you got that to look forward to, and it's better than the W in terms of features, from what I understand. You can be rest assured that some certain online retailer will be generous to discount the Sony models as much as they did with Samsung, if Sony will let them just to be competitive.
post #220 of 2871
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Well, if you think about it, the Z4100 is $100 less in MSRP than the A650 was when it was first released, so you got that to look forward to, and it's better than the W in terms of features, from what I understand. You can be rest assured that some certain online retailer will be generous to discount the Sony models as much as they did with Samsung, if Sony will let them just to be competitive.

Cool, thanks Bob. I didn't start scouring the market until fairly recently so I didn't get a chance to look at what the A650's priced out at upon release. If they were truly above the Z, that's good news, because the 46W would be exactly what I'm looking for!
post #221 of 2871
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Originally Posted by Ajvessey View Post

Cool, thanks Bob. I didn't start scouring the market until fairly recently so I didn't get a chance to look at what the A650's priced out at upon release. If they were truly above the Z, that's good news, because the 46W would be exactly what I'm looking for!

Well, you do save $400 getting the W, but you also lose the 10-bit processing and panel, tho.
post #222 of 2871
I purchased a 40V2500 a couple years ago. I'm now looking to purchase another LCD TV and am considering the new 4100 series offerings. The specs on my V2500 state that it has a WCG-CCFL backlight which (as described in this link http://www.presentationtek.com/2008/...ht-technology/) produces a wider color gamut than alternative backlights. I have not seen mention of a WCG-CCFL backlight in Sony's LCD TV specs since the V2500 was introduced. These links: http://www.reviews-lcd-tv.com/Sony-B...cd-review.aspx
http://www.reviews-lcd-tv.com/Sony-B...cd-review.aspx
indicate that only the Z4100 series will have a WCG-CCFL backlight. Is the color gamut on my V2500 better than newer models like the W3000 and W4100, because it has a WCG-CCFL backlight? What are the real color gamut differences between Sony models? Is this information available anywhere? Maybe all new Sony LCD TVs have WCG-CCFL backlight, but they just don't state it anymore?

Thanks,
Dan
post #223 of 2871
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Originally Posted by Ajvessey View Post

Is a price drop like that reasonable to expect?

I'm assuming that once they've been out a few months, they'll be at similar pricing to the Samsungs. Otherwise, why would anyone buy a Sony when an equivalent Samsung is so much cheaper?

I don't really know, outside of that assumption
post #224 of 2871
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Originally Posted by beoba View Post

Did a quick google for "46W4150", and its listed for preorder at several places. They all also price it at $2400, which I guess is the MSRP. If it gets down to $1500ish over the next few months then I think I'll have a new TV. Hopefully that frame isn't glossy.

I don't think it'll go down that low, not at places like BB or CC at least, or even Amazon because that is way below their cost--they still gotta make some profit you know. Sure there'll be some shady online retailer that might have it that low, but they're "grey market" items which means no warranty. so the lowest you'll probably see the 46" W is $1850-1950 if MSRP is $2400. sorry to get your hopes down
post #225 of 2871
Yeah, don't think Amazon will be able to discount these as low as they can with Samsung, they must have some sort of big relationship with Sammy that they're getting that generous with them, that they aren't doing with Sony.
post #226 of 2871
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Originally Posted by 8IronBob View Post

Yeah, don't think Amazon will be able to discount these as low as they can with Samsung, they must have some sort of big relationship with Sammy that they're getting that generous with them, that they aren't doing with Sony.

I think it depends. I would think that amazon could get pretty good discounts from sony if they buy alot from them. it's all business, if they can move alot of TVs then I guess SOny would give them some price breaks similar to what they get from samsung. but since sony aren't as popular on amazon as samsung is, then I doubt they'll get the volume discounts, I'm just guessing of course.
post #227 of 2871
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

so the lowest you'll probably see the 46" W is $1850-1950 if MSRP is $2400

Yeah, I'm thinking the W4100 will end up with pricing around what the A650 is getting (since they have similar specs), so $1500 is lowballing it a bit.
post #228 of 2871
Well, I have seen the A750 for around the $2200 range, so that's definitely going to give Sony some work cut out for them, unless the Z4100 can really pack a wallop and be discounted to around that.
post #229 of 2871
Does this display feature auto-dimming?

For all you owners out there, how's the black level?
post #230 of 2871
They have a light sensor to automatically adjust the backlight brightness.

Is this the same as auto-dimming?
post #231 of 2871
I was referring to the feature that the XBR has where the screen gets darker after a few seconds, it's a little different than the light sensor mode, but thanks .
post #232 of 2871
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Originally Posted by danla View Post

I purchased a 40V2500 a couple years ago. I'm now looking to purchase another LCD TV and am considering the new 4100 series offerings. The specs on my V2500 state that it has a WCG-CCFL backlight which (as described in this link http://www.presentationtek.com/2008/...ht-technology/) produces a wider color gamut than alternative backlights. I have not seen mention of a WCG-CCFL backlight in Sony's LCD TV specs since the V2500 was introduced. These links: http://www.reviews-lcd-tv.com/Sony-B...cd-review.aspx
http://www.reviews-lcd-tv.com/Sony-B...cd-review.aspx
indicate that only the Z4100 series will have a WCG-CCFL backlight. Is the color gamut on my V2500 better than newer models like the W3000 and W4100, because it has a WCG-CCFL backlight? What are the real color gamut differences between Sony models? Is this information available anywhere? Maybe all new Sony LCD TVs have WCG-CCFL backlight, but they just don't state it anymore?

The XBR4, Z4100, and WL135 series have a WCG backlight. The V4100 and W4100 don't. Models that have a WCG backlight have a Color Space option in the menus. You can select either Wide or Standard. Based on my experience with the WL135, that option actually makes a visible difference, but not always for the better. TV usually looks more natural with the standard color space (at least to me). However, Blu-Ray and games definitely benefit from the wide color space (if you have a PS3, set RGB Full Range to Full in the display settings).

There's a lot of talk about 10-bit vs. 8-bit, but the backlight is probably the most significant difference between the Z4100 and the W4100.

I don't have hard info on the gamuts, but I suspect it's 72% NTSC with a standard backlight and 92% or higher with a WCG backlight.
post #233 of 2871
Thank you drivendriver. I do have a color space option on my V2500. When I set it to "Wide" my colors become more saturated. Skin tones become a little too red. I tried adjusting "Color" down to compensate, but the colors appear more natural with standard color space. I guess its probably not worth spending much more on a TV to have a WCG backlight.
post #234 of 2871
To anyone that has a w4100 already, does the tv auto enter standby mode when HDMI signal is lost? I am planning to use HDTV's as a second monitor for my laptop, so it would be nice that the TV knows to shut down when i yank the cable and jet off.
post #235 of 2871
Anyone who wanna know whats in W-series manual- its scan availible on Crutchfield site: http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Man...15840V4100.PDF
post #236 of 2871
Just walked into BB this afternoon, and I did see the W Series right next to the V Series, and it seemed like a huge jump in PQ between the two, the blacks were darker, the whites were whiter, and to me, when I hit a black screen, I noticed that it was a semi-gloss screen, not pure matte. So that's progress...
post #237 of 2871
Can any owner of 52W4100 confirm the exact voltage ( 120V or 120-240V ) stated on the back of TV,please? And I mean at the back,not at manual-promotionals!
post #238 of 2871
I think all Sony TVs are multivoltage 120-240V
post #239 of 2871
Video Only has the 46W4150 in their computer for 2149 (and the 46Z at 2499). Looks like Sony is pricing the W's close to Sammy's A650 series, and the Z to the A750. I think I'm ready to get a 46W (40 is just a tad small, even though I can pick one of those up today at BB), just wish they get here soon. If Samsung had a 46A650 but with a matte or semi-matte screen, I'd probably have one already and stopped reading AVS
post #240 of 2871
billiam: Same here
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