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Paramount pricing going the way of the Fox

post #1 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:05am
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Wasn't sure if this was known already but several of the Paramount Blu-Ray's are up for pre-order at Amazon and carry a $38.99 list, discounted to $27.95. Yuck!. Not a good way for Paramount to get back in our hearts.

http://dvd.themanroom.com/news/Param..._and_More/2671
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post #2 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by lasvidfil View Post

Wasn't sure if this was known already but several of the Paramount Blu-Ray's are up for pre-order at Amazon and carry a $38.99 list, discounted to $27.95. Yuck!. Not a good way for Paramount to get back in our hearts.

http://dvd.themanroom.com/news/Param..._and_More/2671

simple solution, don't buy if you dont like this price. at $27.95 the only paramount titles i'd buy are Transformers and Iron Man. anything else needs to be below $20.00.

hopefully a lot of ppl held out on purchasing Fox titles like iD4 and Predator when it was $28. i'm glad i waited out and got both at $20 each. if many others did the same Fox should notice a significant increase in sales after price drop and hopefully learn from it.
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post #3 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:13am
I'll hedge my bet and hope Fry's does their usual Super cheap day of release price. $28 is about $8 more than I'd care to pay.
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post #4 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:16am
They aren't Fox because they price their catalogs properly. They follow the same pricing as Universal, Sony, and Lionsgate for the most part..

Code:
Studio  Day&Date MSRP       Catalog MSRP

Fox     $40             $40
Warner  $35             $30 ($35 on special releases)
Disney  $35             $30 ($35 on special releases)
Univsl  $40             $30
Paramt  $40             $30
Sony    $40($43 2 Disc) $30
Lionsgt $40             $30 ($20 on certain titles)
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post #5 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:17am
Just be patient. All of these ~$39.95 titles eventually go on sale for $19.95 (or less).
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post #6 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

simple solution, don't buy if you dont like this price. at $27.95 the only paramount titles i'd buy are Transformers and Iron Man. anything else needs to be below $20.00.

hopefully a lot of ppl held out on purchasing Fox titles like iD4 and Predator when it was $28. i'm glad i waited out and got both at $20 each. if many others did the same Fox should notice a significant increase in sales after price drop and hopefully learn from it.

Don't plan to. Their new releases didn't interest me. I just don't want to see a title that i do want to get at that price. I just think it's a little arrogant for Paramount to come out at those prices after what they did in the past.
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post #7 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:19am
Yeah, the above table is about right. The article linked to in the OP shows pricing for all the new Paramount stuff. And although a few things like Bee Movie and Cloverfield aren't quite day and date, Paramount is pricing them like new releases and not catalog titles. Understandable given the small delay. Doesn't mean they'll be charging $40 MSRPs for all catalog titles.
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post #8 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by lasvidfil View Post

Don't plan to. Their new releases didn't interest me. I just don't want to see a title that i do want to get at that price. I just think it's a little arrogant for Paramount to come out at those prices after what they did in the past.

It was all about money then, and it is all about money now.

They are going to charge as much as they think we will pay, and they will sell at that price, just not to me.
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post #9 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:30am
As somebody else has said, they more line up with the others guys, not Fox... the other guys all do $28 @ amazon prices for new releases, but catalog is at $20. Fox is $28 for EVERYTHING.
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post #10 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:34am
Cloverfield and TWBB aren't day and date. That means they're catalogues in my book.

And I say that, mostly because I paid $10 for that crappy TWBB packaging.
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post #11 of 85
5/5/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by shadowrage View Post

Cloverfield and TWBB aren't day and date. That means they're catalogues in my book.

And I say that, mostly because I paid $10 for that crappy TWBB packaging.

Well, its been like a month.. They are pricing Blades of Glory like a catalog because its several months old.
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post #12 of 85
5/5/08 at 12:05pm
Being able to get some movies by bargain-hunting is not the point. All studios need to follow Warner's model...both in quality of releases and pricing. I know some question Warner's encodes, audio, etc., but they're the best overall studio for Blu-ray so far IHMO.
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post #13 of 85
5/5/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Being able to get some movies by bargain-hunting is not the point. All studios need to follow Warner's model...both in quality of releases and pricing. I know some question Warner's encodes, audio, etc., but they're the best overall studio for Blu-ray so far IHMO.

I'd say Disney is my favorite. They offer the same pricing, and 90% of the time the encodes are flawless.
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post #14 of 85
5/5/08 at 12:50pm
I'll gladly pay $28 for stuff like There Will Be Blood or Iron Man. You still get new release DVD's hovering around $19-23, so it would seem silly not to pay $5-9 bucks more for the HD version. Because the list prices of DVD still can hit $30, just like HD version can be $40 dollars. And we all know that no rational person actually pays those prices. That's IMO of course.

Some new release DVD prices from Amazon:

TWBB = 22.99
Beowulf = 18.99
Nation Treasure: Book of Secrets 2 Disc = 22.99
Golden Compass 2 Disc = 21.99

So, in places like TWBB's case, no I don't think it's unreasonable to pay an extra $5 for HD. You could hardly expect them to sell the HD version for less than the 2 disc DVD.
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post #15 of 85
5/5/08 at 1:06pm
Yep, as others have said, those are all considered new releases.

In fact, Paramount has even lowered the original new release pricing on titles that have been reissued, like World Trade Center and Dreamgirls. Other studios are still charging new release pricing for many such titles going back to 2006.
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post #16 of 85
5/5/08 at 1:36pm
What's the diff? Fry's has Fox titles now on sale for $14.99. Wait until there is a sale and your price point is reasonable.
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post #17 of 85
5/5/08 at 1:46pm
If the price is reasonable, I can be tempted to do blind buys.
When the price is high, I won't be.
I just put it in my Net Flix que...
And if it turns out to be a one-view movie, I'm not stuck.
If it is worth buying, then it goes on my "$19.95 or < List."

Studios need to smarten up.
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post #18 of 85
5/5/08 at 2:09pm
A great many cities have no Frys. The only hope is this area for a good local price is Wally-World and they seemed to have raised their prices. There is now no good local shopping option in Knoxville.

The BDA might as well cancel building more pressing plants if they demand $25-$35 at B & M retailers. There's not much of a market for video discs at these prices, especially in the midst of a recession. The windfall profits that these studios desire out of HD are not gonna happen. If the suits get their jollies price-gouging 1% of the market, hey have fun minimizing Blu's relevance.

Myself, I'm no longer excited about release days. I spend my effort tracking down substantial sales. If a disc costs more than $20, I'm not very intrested at this point.

The BDA is driving potential customers away wholesale with their prices. Outside of audio-vidiot circles, Blu-ray is disc non grata.....
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post #19 of 85
5/5/08 at 7:05pm
i don't know what's more mind-boggling....

that in this day and age people will pay $40 to buy a crummy movie or that studios will try to put it on shelves priced like that.

oh well, laserdisc part 2 seems to be aiming toward every obstacle in sight.
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post #20 of 85
5/5/08 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Rachael Bellomy View Post

Myself, I'm no longer excited about release days. I spend my effort tracking down substantial sales. If a disc costs more than $20, I'm not very intrested at this point.

The BDA is driving potential customers away wholesale with their prices. Outside of audio-vidiot circles, Blu-ray is disc non grata.....

I am not sure why but I am acting the same way. In the old DVD days, I bought everything that was even remotely worth buying, some of those I never took the wrapper off. Maybe the novelty has worned off, or I dislike knowing that Sony is making any money off me, or maybe it is the pricing, or a lack of movies I want. But whatever the reason(s) is, I have become very selective in what HDM I buy.

But I know it is not the economy. I have more money allocated to "non-essentials" than I have ever had.
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post #21 of 85
5/5/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Rachael Bellomy View Post

A great many cities have no Frys. The only hope is this area for a good local price is Wally-World and they seemed to have raised their prices. There is now no good local shopping option in Knoxville.

The BDA might as well cancel building more pressing plants if they demand $25-$35 at B & M retailers. There's not much of a market for video discs at these prices, especially in the midst of a recession. The windfall profits that these studios desire out of HD are not gonna happen. If the suits get their jollies price-gouging 1% of the market, hey have fun minimizing Blu's relevance.

Myself, I'm no longer excited about release days. I spend my effort tracking down substantial sales. If a disc costs more than $20, I'm not very intrested at this point.

The BDA is driving potential customers away wholesale with their prices. Outside of audio-vidiot circles, Blu-ray is disc non grata.....

There's a lot of SD DVD prices at $24.95 to 29.95 at retailers and have been for years. Evidently they sell, though I don't see how.
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post #22 of 85
5/5/08 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by Rachael Bellomy View Post

A great many cities have no Frys. The only hope is this area for a good local price is Wally-World and they seemed to have raised their prices. There is now no good local shopping option in Knoxville.

The BDA might as well cancel building more pressing plants if they demand $25-$35 at B & M retailers. There's not much of a market for video discs at these prices, especially in the midst of a recession. The windfall profits that these studios desire out of HD are not gonna happen. If the suits get their jollies price-gouging 1% of the market, hey have fun minimizing Blu's relevance.

Myself, I'm no longer excited about release days. I spend my effort tracking down substantial sales. If a disc costs more than $20, I'm not very intrested at this point.

The BDA is driving potential customers away wholesale with their prices. Outside of audio-vidiot circles, Blu-ray is disc non grata.....

No doubt the prices can be a jip, esp FOX. Fox has not gotten a SINGLE dime out of me unless I can get catalogs for under 20.

Having said that, the BDA does not control the prices, its up to the studios.
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post #23 of 85
5/5/08 at 7:56pm
Its all rubbish! Its time for blu-ray software to drop in price.
$25 max for a new release.
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post #24 of 85
5/5/08 at 8:03pm
The price points are a bit disappointing.

I know the companies are looking to maximize profit on each title in the format's early stage but they may be cutting short growth with that kind of pricing. There are several FOX titles i'd like but won't get unless I get them used or there is some extreme discounting going on.
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post #25 of 85
5/5/08 at 9:09pm
i have to buy Fox titles at costco (which surprisingly is the only ones they seam to carry). normally their fox releases are $26. Thats what i bought Juno for when it came out. the rest i try and buy at wally world or amazon.
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post #26 of 85
5/6/08 at 5:01am
Oh how quickly people forget the outside of some heavily discounted popular titles there are many DVD's that have never been cheap including some catalog titles. Companies won't be held price hostage and the days of the big box stores loss leadering titles may be coming to close. If W--- tries to play hard ball with the studios then the studios don't need them. Nobody wants to pay certain prices for discs, housing, gas, food, it could be said everything is over priced. Now which one among you will take a pay cut so that the company you work for can sell something us something for less. After all if they pay you less and sell for less they should make the same profit. We'll all be paying less and be happy and you'll be...not so happy. Welcome to capitalism 101.
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post #27 of 85
5/6/08 at 5:07am
Prices will come down...well,,,when they come down.

We are held hostage to them by our own devices.
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post #28 of 85
5/6/08 at 5:18am
You guys don't know how lucky you are....Over here it's common for new releases to be up to $50 ( Twentieth Century Fox recommended retail prices are about $55.98 over here taking the exchange rate into account although they tend to be discounted lower than that )

We can go online and get new releases for about $34....Take into account the fact we are now paying about $10 a gallon for petrol and you can see that a trip to the cinema or a trip to buy a new film soon adds up.

A lot of people now use the phrase rip off Britain and we shop online ( You can see why )
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post #29 of 85
5/6/08 at 5:40am
I don't think pricing them as loss leaders will come to a close. I think the issue is that loss leaders have to be bought and sold in large quantities. With DVDs, they get hundreds of copies, and the low pricing brings in lots of traffic to the store. With BDs, some places only get 10-15 copies, maybe 25-30, and that's not enough to justify loss leader pricing. If they try it, they'll wind up selling all of their allotment to savvy buyers in a day or two, and have nothing left until they get more. If they can eventually sell them all at "regular" pricing, why lower it?
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post #30 of 85
5/6/08 at 3:54pm
Yep, now that Blu-Ray has won, EVERYONE has decided to price their stuff at Fox prices, even WB, which truly pisses me off. PRICES ARE SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN NOW THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING IT!!!
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