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post #241 of 9462
I think the BD30 bitstreams all the HD codecs to your new 606 and lets it do the decoding. Nothing to worry about there, you're got a good pair.
post #242 of 9462
There sure is a lot of variability in how loud the 606 is depending on source. I find for the several DVDs I've tried that playing it around 60 is a good setting for a movie that you'd normally want pretty loud (was testing with King Kong). Cranked it to the max (80) and it's still not uncomfortably loud. I'm running Paradigm Cinema 330s for fronts and centres, ADPs for rears and a DSP-3100 sub.

Listening to my Motorola cable box, there's quite the variation from channel to channel but typically they are much louder than DVD. Maybe it's just the bigger dynamic range.

It would be nice if there was some way to tweak the input level for various sources. Did I miss something in the manual?
post #243 of 9462
Hey folks,

Set up my 606 last night, and I'm a little confused about the "listening settings." I'm sending LPCM audio from a PS3 to the 606 and that works fine, but I'm not sure which listening setting gives me completely unmodified sound. I've got it set on multichannel st right now, and it sounds to me like there's some processing going on--dialogue coming out of rears, etc. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.
post #244 of 9462
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Originally Posted by dre2891 View Post

well i finally got everything set up last night when i got the rest of my new hdmi cables. got a ps3/cable box/hd dvd player hooked up via hdmi and my xbox360 going in through component and optical. everything goes to my plasma through the hdmi out. works great and no issues with any of the components not working correctly with the receiver.

now i have to sit down and reprogram my harmony to work with the new setup. anyone do that yet? i quickly tried to do it last night before i ran out of steam but i'm guessing the new onkyo isn't in the system yet (i love my harmony remote but absolutely hate the software btw) so it wasn't picking up the correct inputs. might end up having to sit there and make it learn the commands that i need.


I have the same exact setup as you and was wondering how much of a difference in sound I would get if I stepped up to an optical for my 360. Currently i'm just using the supplied component with the rca red and white for sound for the 360.

Also setting up the harmony 550 was almost too easy, everything works great.
post #245 of 9462
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Originally Posted by sir_captain View Post

Hey folks,

Set up my 606 last night, and I'm a little confused about the "listening settings." I'm sending LPCM audio from a PS3 to the 606 and that works fine, but I'm not sure which listening setting gives me completely unmodified sound. I've got it set on multichannel st right now, and it sounds to me like there's some processing going on--dialogue coming out of rears, etc. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.

The multichannel listening mode doesn't redirect any sound from the front to the back. If you're hearing dialog in the rear, then that's what's in the soundtrack.
post #246 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

The multichannel listening mode doesn't redirect any sound from the front to the back. If you're hearing dialog in the rear, then that's what's in the soundtrack.

ok, cool...thanks
post #247 of 9462
forgive me if this has been asked before but can inputs be renamed ?
post #248 of 9462
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by omirp View Post

forgive me if this has been asked before but can inputs be renamed ?

Not that I'm aware of. However, you can assign the existing names to any of the HDMI outs.
post #249 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Bugg77 View Post

And put the heaviest side on the bottom.

Since "heaviest" may translate into power supplies and/or heat sinks, that may not be the best idea. JMO
post #250 of 9462
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Originally Posted by samsurd2 View Post

Since "heaviest" may translate into power supplies and/or heat sinks, that may not be the best idea. JMO

Well that's a good point as there are several things to consider there.

1) The heating affect that having the power supply on the bottom may have on the rest of the unit
2) What kind of physical stress could be place on the circuit boards if the heaviest side is now applying its weight in a different direction than intended
3) Stability of the system in a vertical position (smaller footprint and higher center of gravity means less stable)

These things are designed to be installed horizontally, probably a better idea to leave it in the intended orientation (it's not an xbox 360 or PS3).
post #251 of 9462
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Originally Posted by R1NLP View Post

To be fair, a lot of it has to do with the source. My 360 is much louder than by PS3 for some reason. Also, I've got some BDs and HD DVDs that are mastered louder than others. I 've pushed the 606 as loud as 60-65 in some cases, and kept it as low as 45 in others.


True, I put in BF2 on the 360 and I had to turn it down compared to the setting the 606 was on for the TV. I don't like having to almost max out a reciever. Like Joe said, there is alot of differences in volume levels from different sources. I am going to play with the 606 some more before I decide if I want to keep it or not.
post #252 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Joe Dwarf View Post

It would be nice if there was some way to tweak the input level for various sources. Did I miss something in the manual?

Yep. You missed it. I don't recall how to do it, but I do remember seeing it in there.
post #253 of 9462
A lot of people are talking about heat. I measured the wattage last night using one of those gizmos from Fry's.

AVR - Never less than 80W, 85W with Harball (speech only) playing pretty loud.

I would think ~ half that is dissipated in the speaker crossovers and voice coils. So the 606 should get approximately as hot as an old school 40W incandescant with a large heat sink attached to it. I'm running my F,L&C full range BTW. Surrounds crossed at 60Hz.

Other interesting wattages

DirectTV HR20 - 40W whether on or "off"
Sony 46" W3000 - 220W
Small Vornado fan on high - 32W
post #254 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Amays32 View Post

I have the same exact setup as you and was wondering how much of a difference in sound I would get if I stepped up to an optical for my 360. Currently i'm just using the supplied component with the rca red and white for sound for the 360.

Also setting up the harmony 550 was almost too easy, everything works great.


If you use an optical connection you should hear a significant difference over RCA.

John M.
post #255 of 9462
Shinksma:

I saw you were looking at the TX-SR705 over the TX-SR606 in another thread about a month ago. What made you change your mind? I'm on the fence over these same two receivers and wouldn't mind your input over this subject...
post #256 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Bugg77 View Post

Buy a Harmony... they are wonderful. I've owned the 880 and now the 890 Pro and they are amazing. No more calls from my wife or visitors asking how to use the TV.

I do use Harmony's now (lower end models) and like them, I was just wondering if for once someone made a truly universal remote without the need for a third party
post #257 of 9462
For reasons that are inexplicable to me, the dialogue channel has stopped working when outputting audio over HDMI from my PS3. DD5.1 is working fine over HDMI from my digital cable box, but I cannot for the life of me get any dialogue from a blu-ray disc. The center speaker is definitely plugged in fine--level checks work and audio plays from menus, but not a peep during the actual film. Anyone have any idea what I might have done?
post #258 of 9462
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Originally Posted by sir_captain View Post

For reasons that are inexplicable to me, the dialogue channel has stopped working when outputting audio over HDMI from my PS3. DD5.1 is working fine over HDMI from my digital cable box, but I cannot for the life of me get any dialogue from a blu-ray disc. The center speaker is definitely plugged in fine--level checks work and audio plays from menus, but not a peep during the actual film. Anyone have any idea what I might have done?

If you press the Display button while playing a soundtrack on a Blu-ray disk, what does your receiver say the the signal type is?
post #259 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

If you press the Display button while playing a soundtrack on a Blu-ray disk, what does your receiver say the the signal type is?

I've tried multiple discs--I did just that and tried Dolby TrueHD tracks, uncompressed Linear PCM 5.1 tracks, etc, and they all showed up properly in the display--just nothing coming out of the center speaker.

Edit: ah, you meant the receiver. It says "multichannel 5.1"
post #260 of 9462
i've noticed a lot of 'hiss' during moderate volumes in just the menu on my PS3.

I've turned off the 'dynamic EQ' setting from the audio menu you can get to from just the display.. and that helps some... i'm still using the EQ settings that were auto setup according to my setup menu.. what is this setting really?
post #261 of 9462
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Originally Posted by neotide View Post

Shinksma:

I saw you were looking at the TX-SR705 over the TX-SR606 in another thread about a month ago. What made you change your mind? I'm on the fence over these same two receivers and wouldn't mind your input over this subject...

There were two factors about the 606 that I considered important improvements over the 705, while the other features the 705 had that the 606 lacked I did not consider important:

- 4 HDMI inputs on 606 vs 3 on 705 (I have 3 HDMI devices now, expect a fourth)
- component inputs upscaled/transcoded to HDMI 1080i on 606 vs limited to 720p on 705 (even if component source is 1080i)

I do not find the THX certification or more advanced Audyssey set up of the 705 important enough to wait for a 706, and certainly not important enough to overwhelm the other two factors above.

That was basically it. Especially when I found out the 606 would be about $75 cheaper than the lowest price I could find for a 705.

shinksma
post #262 of 9462
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Originally Posted by sir_captain View Post

For reasons that are inexplicable to me, the dialogue channel has stopped working when outputting audio over HDMI from my PS3. DD5.1 is working fine over HDMI from my digital cable box, but I cannot for the life of me get any dialogue from a blu-ray disc. The center speaker is definitely plugged in fine--level checks work and audio plays from menus, but not a peep during the actual film. Anyone have any idea what I might have done?

Check to see whether you altered a setting within the PS3 itself. Maybe you have selected some kind of weird dialog normalization mode, or you told it you don't have a center speaker or...? (I don't know, I don't own a PS3).

shinksma
post #263 of 9462
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ercdvs View Post

i've noticed a lot of 'hiss' during moderate volumes in just the menu on my PS3.

That's strange. I cranked mine all the way up with a DVD on pause and didn't get any hissing or noise at all.
post #264 of 9462
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Originally Posted by R1NLP View Post

That's strange. I cranked mine all the way up with a DVD on pause and didn't get any hissing or noise at all.

not in a dvd, this is the 'home' menu of the ps3... its possible it could be the theme i have... or speaker connections.. time to recheck everything
post #265 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wolver98 View Post

True, I put in BF2 on the 360 and I had to turn it down compared to the setting the 606 was on for the TV. I don't like having to almost max out a reciever. Like Joe said, there is alot of differences in volume levels from different sources. I am going to play with the 606 some more before I decide if I want to keep it or not.

Check out page 77 of the manual. The "IntelliVolume" feature lets you adjust the input gain for each source in 1 dB steps from -12 to +12. Haven't played with it myself yet but that should fix the problem.
post #266 of 9462
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

There were two factors about the 606 that I considered important improvements over the 705, while the other features the 705 had that the 606 lacked I did not consider important:

- 4 HDMI inputs on 606 vs 3 on 705 (I have 3 HDMI devices now, expect a fourth)
- component inputs upscaled/transcoded to HDMI 1080i on 606 vs limited to 720p on 705 (even if component source is 1080i)

I do not find the THX certification or more advanced Audyssey set up of the 705 important enough to wait for a 706, and certainly not important enough to overwhelm the other two factors above.

That was basically it. Especially when I found out the 606 would be about $75 cheaper than the lowest price I could find for a 705.

shinksma

Thanks for getting back to me Shinksma. This will help sway my decision as I may pick up a 606 this afternoon.
post #267 of 9462
I must say that I am really impressed by the Audysey dynamic EQ on this unit. I didn't even know anything about it before I got it. I watched House of Flying Daggers the other night and was blown away by the bass response at low levels. I had went through the set up initially but it set my fronts to full range. I set the fronts to crossover at 80 Hz for all my speakers and then used Avia to tweak the volume settings on all the speakers, using my own sound meter. Like I said, it was pretty darn impressive and when I went upstairs to ask if it was too loud, my wife said she didn't even hear anything. If you're familiar with the movie, you know that there is a lot of bass drums pounding throughout the movie....lovin' the 606 and I've only had it less than a week! Anybody else have a similar experience?
post #268 of 9462
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Originally Posted by sir_captain View Post

For reasons that are inexplicable to me, the dialogue channel has stopped working when outputting audio over HDMI from my PS3. DD5.1 is working fine over HDMI from my digital cable box, but I cannot for the life of me get any dialogue from a blu-ray disc. The center speaker is definitely plugged in fine--level checks work and audio plays from menus, but not a peep during the actual film. Anyone have any idea what I might have done?

I'm having the same problem. With the ACDC Blu-ray I could not hear the lead vocals, and with the Queen Live-aid Bluray the audio was low and crackling on the Center channel. Could this be a problem with the Audyssey setup?
post #269 of 9462
i had same experience but i set mine to 100hz, so everything below will get sent to my 2 mirage subs(split with y-adaptor). it sounds quite good, i had to lower the level of each sub a little. Should i use 80hz? i want most of my bass to go to the subs and not the speakers even thought they can handle it. Fantasic 4(silver surfer) with dts-ma was stellar? (using a ps3). Any opinions?
post #270 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

The phase control can help compensate for the location of your subwoofer relative to your seating position. If you move around a room where there's deep bass playing, you'll usually find that in some parts of the room the bass sounds much louder than others. It's because of the size of the bass waves and which part of the wave hits your listening position. The phase control can shift the wave up to half a cycle, and that changes where the peaks and valleys are in the room.

The frequency control on a sub controls the low pass filter which makes sure only low frequencies suitable for a subwoofer are fed to the sub's amplifier and then on to the driver. Since your receiver is already doing that for you, ideally you want to bypass the LPF on a sub.

Any by bypassing the LPF, you mean turn it all the way down on the sub? I just purchased the 606 last night and ran the Audessy set-up and the sub was set at -14db. I am assuming this was because I had my frequency on my sub set to around 100? Any help on this will be appreciated!
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