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post #2491 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I wonder of your conversion from HDMI to DVI for your TV is doing this. I assume your TV doesn't have HDMI inputs? Doubtful, but i'm not 100%

Other than checking to make sure your sources are configured to output ok, I'm not sure what else to check.

Are you able to see the 606's blue menu system on your tv when you press setup on the remote?

My TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, DVI is the best it can do. But why would the XBox work if there was an issue with the output connection to the TV? I am NOT able to see any menu system on my TV when I press setup. I've had to use the receiver itself to make all the input assignments

UPDATE: I connected the Satellite via Component and the output to the TV via Component. Now the DVD and Satellite picture and sound work, but I don't get picture on the XBox (connected with HDMI, though I still get sound) and I still don't see any on-screen display. It sounds more and more like a conversion issue since component connections now work and HDMI doesn't. I bought the receiver for its HDMI capabilities, so I still need a solution here...
post #2492 of 9462
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Originally Posted by aydu View Post

Yes! Hit the Display button. It will cycle between the input signal (2.0, 5.1 etc.) and the type of signal and input being used. If you cycle to the input name and signal type, it will stay there.

It shows True HD and DTS-MA when received and which input (DVD CBL, etc.) the signal is coming from.

If you hit the display key once, it will show the number of channels being received and then revert back to what the original setting is.

It is kind of cool seeing the high def audio names show up for the 1st time.

I have my BD-30 hooked up to the DVD input, and it displays perfectly. However, my A-3 is hooked up to the VCR input via HDMI, and is set to bitstream. I tried to watch 300 today in True-HD, and the display indicated "Multichannel".

Could this be an error with my input setup, or possibly something in my A-3 setup, or possibly just the movie itself?

Thanks!
post #2493 of 9462
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Originally Posted by mluntz View Post

I have my BD-30 hooked up to the DVD input, and it displays perfectly. However, my A-3 is hooked up to the VCR input via HDMI, and is set to bitstream. I tried to watch 300 today in True-HD, and the display indicated "Multichannel".

Could this be an error with my input setup, or possibly something in my A-3 setup, or possibly just the movie itself?

Thanks!

The A3 does not bitstream. Neither does the A30. Only the A35 and the XA2. Sorry.
post #2494 of 9462
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Originally Posted by browerjs View Post

I just bought a 606 for use in my new home theater in my house that is currently under construction. The receiver will be housed in an equipment closet and output via HDMI to my projector. I think I'll also want a small tv (~13" or smaller) to also be in the equipment closet so I can make adjustments w/o turning on the projector or so I can make adjustments while in the equipment closet..

Now for my question, does the 606 have the ability to output via HDMI and the composite simultaneously?

I know it outputs over hdmi and component at the same time, i hooked my launch 360 up to it and ran component to my tv, and switched between them and it was outputting the hdmi and component at the same time. the funny thing is the 360 menu looked better being sent by the hdmi set on through then it did over the component.
post #2495 of 9462
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Originally Posted by mystik610 View Post

Don't know what you're talking about having to push the receiver button before entering a command. I'm using a harmony remote with my 606, and everything works just fine on all my inputs.

it is a pain having to push the receiver button. I have looked through all the menu and don't see anything to change this.
post #2496 of 9462
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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

My TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, DVI is the best it can do. But why would the XBox work if there was an issue with the output connection to the TV? I am NOT able to see any menu system on my TV when I press setup. I've had to use the receiver itself to make all the input assignments

UPDATE: I connected the Satellite via Component and the output to the TV via Component. Now the DVD and Satellite picture and sound work, but I don't get picture on the XBox (connected with HDMI, though I still get sound) and I still don't see any on-screen display. It sounds more and more like a conversion issue since component connections now work and HDMI doesn't. I bought the receiver for its HDMI capabilities, so I still need a solution here...

It sounds like a DVI HDCP issue from your TV to the receiver, IMHO. How old is your TV? Is the DVI input of the TV HDCP compatible?

Depending on the order you power up your TV, receiver, and components, the HDCP handsake will not get negotiated properly, and the source device (DVD, Sat Box, XBox) will decide the signal isn't "secure" and will not transmit it.

If you power up the TV first, then the receiver, then the source device(s), you stand a much better chance of everything getting through OK.

Beyond that, I don't know what to suggest, except that your TV's HCDP is failing due to an old(er) DVI implementation or bad EDID file.

shinksma
post #2497 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kwaidonjin View Post

it is a pain having to push the receiver button. I have looked through all the menu and don't see anything to change this.

Just to make it clear: if you press volume after powering up the receiver, and the volume goes up/down just like it should, but after a while you have to press the "Receiver" button again to adjust the volume without having done anything else on the remote?

If so, you might have bad batteries, and the remote is "forgetting" what mode it should be in.

On the other hand, if you are using the remote to control other devices, the remote will "remember" that last device powered up and/or commanded, and you'll have to press Receiver to get it to talk in "Onkyo 606" language.

i.e., can you explain what actions you take (what remote buttons you would have pressed last) just prior to the remote not responding and you needing to press "Receiver" for it to command the 606 correctly?

shinksma
post #2498 of 9462
I bought my 606 last Friday from Circuit City. I really like this receiver, especially for the money paid. I have a PS3 and Moto cable box connected via HDMI. Here are some observations...

4 HDMI ports is nice. I'm only using 2 right now.

I can't hear a hum/buzz until I hit 63 on the volume. Even then I need to get really close to the speakers to hear it. The volume doesn't change with resolution. At 70 it still isn't that bad and really can't hear it over my projector fan. I suspect this is just normal hiss/buzz/hum at maximum volume. I'll have to try this with my other receivers in the house.

I like the volume lock. This will keep my kids from accidentally turning it up too high. Oddly enough the lock has a limit of 80 but my volume control only goes up to 70. Strange. I keep it locked at 45. For me this is plenty loud enough in my dedicated 14'x21'x8' room.

The PS3 does make it pop when starting movies from the PS3 menu. It isn't very loud though.

When playing videos on my 360 downloaded from Marketplace it plays them in 2.0 PCM audio which sucks on the Onkyo compared to my Yamaha it replaced. This has me concerned more than anything. Any ideas on this problem? DVDs and HD-DVDs play fine and sound great on the 360.

The Audyssey system really made my setup shine. I thought my room sounded pretty good before, but now it sounds great, especially the HSU sub. I've always had issues calibrating it just right. I tried some different setup techniques and ran Audyssey and my sub now has more punch and less distortion than ever. The 'Rocket Jump' scene in Transformers is intense at volume level 50! Level 35 is good for relaxed everyday TV viewing. 40 is starting to get serious. 45 is a kick in the pants and 50 is the OMG insane volume for those times when I want to show off what my room can do! I'm pretty sure I have plenty of head room to go higher but honestly I don't see the need to do so.

The 606 runs fairly warm, but not super hot to the touch. I keep it in a closet with 2 computer fans. The heat is concentrated in the back right corner right by the HDMI controller card. I wonder if this is part of the problem with the buzzing issue?

I paid $385 so I got a great deal I like this receiver a lot but can't help wondering if the grass is greener over at Denon or Yamaha land. I know I can't spend much more though because I have other stuff to replace since our lightning strike.
post #2499 of 9462
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Originally Posted by R1NLP View Post

It does support 6.1. You just connect the rear speaker to the rear left surround terminal.

Cable box DCH3200 by Motorola connected to Onkyo 606 receiver through HDMI cable and HDMI cable out to Sony KDL-W4650. I get very poor audio response from my speakers, video is fine. What can be done?
post #2500 of 9462
Looks like the 606 is now selling for $376 free shipping on amazon.
post #2501 of 9462
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Looks like the 606 is now selling for $376 free shipping on amazon.

I got it for 381$ out the door from c.c. on sat. with the 10% off coupon, that is real good when it compares to amazon.
post #2502 of 9462
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

Just to make it clear: if you press volume after powering up the receiver, and the volume goes up/down just like it should, but after a while you have to press the "Receiver" button again to adjust the volume without having done anything else on the remote?

If so, you might have bad batteries, and the remote is "forgetting" what mode it should be in.

On the other hand, if you are using the remote to control other devices, the remote will "remember" that last device powered up and/or commanded, and you'll have to press Receiver to get it to talk in "Onkyo 606" language.

i.e., can you explain what actions you take (what remote buttons you would have pressed last) just prior to the remote not responding and you needing to press "Receiver" for it to command the 606 correctly?

shinksma

not doing anything,not using remote to control tv. it will turn the volume up and down but it will not let me change inputs or sound modes unless i press the receiver button. it doesn't happen all the time. Just a minor annoyance. I will try changing out the batteries and see if that changes anything.
post #2503 of 9462
does anybody know the differences between the 606 and the 667, which is the receiver included in HTIBs S6100 and S7100?
post #2504 of 9462
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Originally Posted by kwaidonjin:
it is a pain having to push the receiver button. I have looked through all the menu and don't see anything to change this.

Mine does the same thing. I don't use the remote for anything but the receiver, and it does it so often, there is no conceivable way I could be hitting buttons accidentally. Batteries should be brand new, they are the shrink wrapped Panasonics it came packed with.
post #2505 of 9462
I have firmware main1.02/08414A.. I hooked mie all up and forgot to write down the serial#, there is a 10 digit number on the box< does anyone know if that is the serial number? I want to fill out my warranty card, but i will have to take alot of wires out to get the receiver out.
post #2506 of 9462
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I can't hear a hum/buzz until I hit 63 on the volume. Even then I need to get really close to the speakers to hear it. The volume doesn't change with resolution. At 70 it still isn't that bad and really can't hear it over my projector fan. I suspect this is just normal hiss/buzz/hum at maximum volume. I'll have to try this with my other receivers in the house.

Nope, definitely not normal. Turn on just the receiver (no audio source) and crank up the volume. You WILL hear the normal hiss, but no buzz whatsoever. Hook up an MPCM source and run Audysee/Audysee EQ--you will see where all the complaints are coming from. The above combo makes that buzz you're noticing at high volumes clearly audible 20-30 volume tics sooner (i.e. normal levels). Audysee just seems to be magnifying whatever the (presumed) hardware issue is. I have an idea any firmware fix they might have is just a band-aid that makes Audysee less aggressive and they're praying people won't be cranking their volume to near max listening for it.
post #2507 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Mine does the same thing. I don't use the remote for anything but the receiver, and it does it so often, there is no conceivable way I could be hitting buttons accidentally. Batteries should be brand new, they are the shrink wrapped Panasonics it came packed with.


Yeah, I had the same issue and returned it to Circuit City because of it. It was really annoying. It also wouldn't turn on sometimes after pressing power 10x, my replacement doesn't seem to have that issue, but it does require that I keep pressing receiver every now and then or else it won't function. Out of all my home theater equipment, I hate my receivers the most - they always have buggy firmware, annoying issues, poor customer service, etc.
post #2508 of 9462
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

It sounds like a DVI HDCP issue from your TV to the receiver, IMHO. How old is your TV? Is the DVI input of the TV HDCP compatible?

Depending on the order you power up your TV, receiver, and components, the HDCP handsake will not get negotiated properly, and the source device (DVD, Sat Box, XBox) will decide the signal isn't "secure" and will not transmit it.

If you power up the TV first, then the receiver, then the source device(s), you stand a much better chance of everything getting through OK.

Beyond that, I don't know what to suggest, except that your TV's HCDP is failing due to an old(er) DVI implementation or bad EDID file.

shinksma

Thanks for the info, Skinksma. I have a Pioneer PDP-504CMX. After doing some research, it appears the DVI input on the TV is not HDCP compatible. If this is the problem, what is the solution apart from buying a new TV? The only HDCP video card I found for the Pioneer was the Aurora TVP-500F and that's running upwards of $700. Seems like an expensive problem to have?
post #2509 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Nope, definitely not normal. Turn on just the receiver (no audio source) and crank up the volume. You WILL hear the normal hiss, but no buzz whatsoever. Hook up an MPCM source and run Audysee/Audysee EQ--you will see where all the complaints are coming from. The above combo makes that buzz you're noticing at high volumes clearly audible 20-30 volume tics sooner (i.e. normal levels). Audysee just seems to be magnifying whatever the (presumed) hardware issue is. I have an idea any firmware fix they might have is just a band-aid that makes Audysee less aggressive and they're praying people won't be cranking their volume to near max listening for it.

in that case wouldn't Denon and Marantz be affected with the same buzz too?
post #2510 of 9462
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Originally Posted by damon479 View Post

Thanks for the info, Skinksma. I have a Pioneer PDP-504CMX. After doing some research, it appears the DVI input on the TV is not HDCP compatible. If this is the problem, what is the solution apart from buying a new TV? The only HDCP video card I found for the Pioneer was the Aurora TVP-500F and that's running upwards of $700. Seems like an expensive problem to have?

For now, run everything via component to the receiver, and HDMI/DVI out to the TV. The receiver won't care about the lack of HDCP for transcoded signals.

Then, when you get a new TV with HDMI, upgrade your cables to HDMI from all of your sources.

That is really the only thing you can do right now, since the TV is the stumbling block.

IMHO,

shinksma (one H, one K )
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Ok, so I have an audyssey question. When I do the setup with the mic, do I just set the mic around the listening area facing up or do I actually point it in the direction of the speaker being tested? Also, what I the prefered crossover freq. for both the sub and speakers. The audyssey has been setting the mains and center to full range and the sub to 100, and the rears to 60. On the back of my sub, I have the crossover set to 120, should I change this? Any help is appreciated.
post #2512 of 9462
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

in that case wouldn't Denon and Marantz be affected with the same buzz too?

No he is saying there is a problem with the onkyo hardware that is being amplified by the feature so it wouldn't matter on another system.
post #2513 of 9462
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

For now, run everything via component to the receiver, and HDMI/DVI out to the TV. The receiver won't care about the lack of HDCP for transcoded signals.

Then, when you get a new TV with HDMI, upgrade your cables to HDMI from all of your sources.

That is really the only thing you can do right now, since the TV is the stumbling block.

IMHO,

shinksma (one H, one K )

Well, I don't get any picture from the component video sources when connecting to the TV using HDMI/DVI. I only see the XBox when it connects with HDMI. It doesn't appear I can use ANY HDMI port on this receiver with any success

The whole purpose for upgrading to this receiver was to take advantage of the HDMI capabilities. So it seems I can either:
1) Purchase a video card to upgrade the TV to HDCP compliant: does anyone know of any video cards for Pioneer models? I only found the Aurora one; or
2) Return the receiver and wait for a solution. My older receiver has the same amount of component video inputs so there's not a compelling reason to keep the Onkyo.
post #2514 of 9462
Hi - I just got the 606. What are the "hidden" functions that this avr has? Looking through this forum I see that there is a way of displaying the internal temperature. How? and what else is possible. thx -yurij
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I keep reading about this hum or buzz problem that some people have with this receiver. Unfortunately, many keep describing it as a general problem with the Onkyo TX SR-606. I know this is not the case. I sympathize with those affected, but it bothers me to keep reading about a problem that I should be experiencing, even though I am not.

For the record, I have not had any buzz or hum problems (and yes, I have tested this under the appropriate conditions: PS3 and other HD sources, maximum volume, Audeyssey Dynamic EQ).

I have also not found any complaints about it from other owners here in the Netherlands. I have warned some prospective buyers here about the possibility of the problem after reading this thread, but those who decided to buy the 606 anyway are very glad they did.

Unless someone takes the trouble to take a survey of the affected owners, generalising statements are unwarranted.
post #2516 of 9462
maybe its early production runs?? PS3 is is my way of watching movies so that issues is pretty important.
post #2517 of 9462
Thats right, I cured my buzzing problem (which I experienced with my first 2 receivers). After trying all sorts of things, various settings, couple different brands of power conditioners, in the end the fix was very simple. I bought a pioneer! No more buzz when playing my PS3, cable, or any setting on the avr, just the beautiful sound of my content!

Sorry to mess, it was a long 3 weeks of phone calls to onkyo, reading threads, and runs to the store for equipement that had nothing to do with the problem. There is no doubt this is an onkyo problem that appears to impact a subset of their 606 units. I guess a reciever under 400 with all these features is a deal too good to be true...at least it was for me.

-ah
post #2518 of 9462
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Originally Posted by osum26 View Post

Ok, so I have an audyssey question. When I do the setup with the mic, do I just set the mic around the listening area facing up or do I actually point it in the direction of the speaker being tested? Also, what I the prefered crossover freq. for both the sub and speakers. The audyssey has been setting the mains and center to full range and the sub to 100, and the rears to 60. On the back of my sub, I have the crossover set to 120, should I change this? Any help is appreciated.

Set the mike on a tripod at ear level facing up. Set the manual crossover on your sub to max (because the receiver will be controlling crossover), set the gain on your sub between 1/3 and 1/2. Then run Audyssey set up.
post #2519 of 9462
Maybe Onkyo has better quality control for models sold in Europe. We pay between 50 and 100 percent more than in the States, so that could explain it. Or maybe the problem is in the NTSC model versus PAL.
post #2520 of 9462
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Originally Posted by osum26 View Post

Ok, so I have an audyssey question. When I do the setup with the mic, do I just set the mic around the listening area facing up or do I actually point it in the direction of the speaker being tested? Also, what I the prefered crossover freq. for both the sub and speakers. The audyssey has been setting the mains and center to full range and the sub to 100, and the rears to 60. On the back of my sub, I have the crossover set to 120, should I change this? Any help is appreciated.

Point the mic straight up. Put it on a camera tripod if possible (it has a threaded insert for that purpose). You want it to be essentially floating in mid-air, pointing straight up, so that it has an unimpeded omnidirectional perspective on all your speakers.

Definitely set the crossovers, don't leave them set to full range. Check your speaker's specifications, but the THX recommended crossover of 80Hz for all channels is a good place to start . Set the xover on the sub itself to its highest setting (or "off"), so that the receiver is handling this chore.
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